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Old 04-23-2008, 01:04 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Protection training.

Do any of y'all have your Dobermans trained like this one:

YouTube - German Dog Training Commands


In three months, I'm getting my Doberman trained like this:

YouTube - Doberman personal protection and obedience

What do y'all think of this type of training?
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Old 04-23-2008, 01:38 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I think this type of training is great. Its fun for the dog, and you. I havent done it myself, but when my guy gets older I'm hopfully gunna do it.
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I think you have to go through the basics first. Don't rush the dog for this type of training, find a good shutshund club, do the basics. I'm not sure if sending him off is good.
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That is SO my girl Blaze. I trained her in this area because she really needed a job to keep her quiet. She was VERY vocal and this training helped her to learn to use her voice appropriately.

I also used this with her as she has an extremely high prey instinct and rather than waste that, I felt we could put it to good use.

While she's never had to use the bite work, she has alerted me through a totally different "voice" that she sensed danger and was ready to take action had I needed her to. It's very rewarding when you see a bond like that be created and leveraged.
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I agree with edh. Having a well-trained dog is truly amazing, but it must be done correctly.

Proper basic obedience class with you should be the first type of training (from 6 months to one year). The dog should have a stable, even, obedient temperament before going into any type of bite work.

Once you have your obedience down pat then venture towards protection training.

Protection training and other dog sports are usually hobbies and a good way to utilize this breed.
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I agree with edh. Having a well-trained dog is truly amazing, but it must be done correctly.

Proper basic obedience class with you should be the first type of training (from 6 months to one year). The dog should have a stable, even, obedient temperament before going into any type of bite work.

Once you have your obedience down pat then venture towards protection training.

Protection training and other dog sports are usually hobbies and a good way to utilize this breed.
Very good points! One should never enter into protection training until basic obedience is nailed with their dog. I assumed that was a given. Perhaps not. *LOL*

I even think entering into Protection at a year is early. A dog's temperment, along with their hormones, are still developing.
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Old 04-23-2008, 11:42 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I'm having him trained at the proper time according to the trainer. Trooper will be gone for 7 weeks, and then the trainer will "train" me. I cannot be anywhere near Trooper for 7 weeks.

The trainer is a renowned K9 trainer in my area. His name is Greg Durham.

Here's his website:

Durham Haus Working Dogs

He is the BEST when it comes to training dogs in my area. I appreciate what y'all are saying, but Greg really knows what he's talking about, and according to him, Trooper will be ready to start obdience at 6 months, and protection will follow immediately at around 7 months.
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Old 04-24-2008, 12:35 AM   #8 (permalink)
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IMHO, the true pleasure and fun of this type of training comes from doing it together with your dog. This has always been my approach and always will be. Anything that happens within the first year of a dog's life that I do is based on building our relationship, also called rapport, bonding, drive-work and socializing.

When I first started this, I did it under supervision of a trainer, but at no point did I let a trainer take over - and I never will. You don't learn anything from that and with your next dog won't know either what to do. To me what's the point of training a dog when it's done by someone else? You might as well buy a trained adult.

I also think that sending such a young dog away is way too early. Realistically if the dog stays with someone else, it has to bond with that person first. This takes a while until training can even start.

I realize that some people think it goes faster if done by a 'professional'. But it can also backfire on your whole relationship with your dog.

My 2 cents...
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Old 04-24-2008, 12:42 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I agree with Cornelia... so much of the purpose of training (whatever form of training that may be) is building the relationship between the human and the dog. Of course, that's just my take on it; when I train and teach others to train, I focus on strengthening that bond.

Whatever you end up doing, good luck.
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This is from the DVG website:

ARKANSAS SCHUTZHUND CLUB (11/01/24)
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First let me say, I looked at your trainer's site and I have no reason to think he is not a great trainer.

However I must agree the greatest benefit of training is to go through it with your dog. What you learn and the relationship you develop with the dog is priceless.

Personally I have no problems starting protection foundation training at even a younger age. However I am there by the dog's side every step of the way. We are a team, just the way it would be if it were ever for real.

Finally I dont care how good a trainer is. I would want to see the training and exactly what type of training methods are being used. Not being able to go watch your dog train is NOT normal.

I encourage you to at least visit Arkansas Schutzhund Club. I think you will learn alot and get a lot closer to your goals.

Oh and dont be fooled by the whole Protection vs Sport training debate. Most Police k9's are dogs that could not make it in sport.......
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Just a little input here: I live here in Europe and live the languages too so I must correct a couple of things from your video link on German commands. Our puppy is in Obedience training in Germany at present, but we accompany him and do the work alongside the trainer (3 X per week). Sitz (zits) and Hier are correct but Platz - no. In the Obedience ring the professional word is Datz for down. Platz is ok for people but Datz is for dogs. Lass means let go or drop it or spit it out. Aus means "enough or it's over". It's common in the USA that the commands are a little bit off because of dictionariie translations but I hate to see people start off on the wrong foot. Good luck in all that you decide for your puppy!!
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I'm having him trained at the proper time according to the trainer. Trooper will be gone for 7 weeks, and then the trainer will "train" me. I cannot be anywhere near Trooper for 7 weeks.
I could never send my dog away for 7 weeks. We are a package deal. Half the fun is learning with your dog. Every little milestone that is made is a celebration. I would not give up seeing that progress for anything. JMO
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Not to sound rude, but why would you ask, "What do y'all think of this type of training?" if you felt as strongly as you do about "Greg Durham" and his training principles? Your quote below, IMHO, indicates you really weren't looking for board input...

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I'm having him trained at the proper time according to the trainer. Trooper will be gone for 7 weeks, and then the trainer will "train" me. I cannot be anywhere near Trooper for 7 weeks.

The trainer is a renowned K9 trainer in my area. His name is Greg Durham.

Here's his website:

Durham Haus Working Dogs

He is the BEST when it comes to training dogs in my area. I appreciate what y'all are saying, but Greg really knows what he's talking about, and according to him, Trooper will be ready to start obdience at 6 months, and protection will follow immediately at around 7 months.
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IMHO, the true pleasure and fun of this type of training comes from doing it together with your dog. This has always been my approach and always will be. Anything that happens within the first year of a dog's life that I do is based on building our relationship, also called rapport, bonding, drive-work and socializing.

When I first started this, I did it under supervision of a trainer, but at no point did I let a trainer take over - and I never will. You don't learn anything from that and with your next dog won't know either what to do. To me what's the point of training a dog when it's done by someone else? You might as well buy a trained adult.

I also think that sending such a young dog away is way too early. Realistically if the dog stays with someone else, it has to bond with that person first. This takes a while until training can even start.

I realize that some people think it goes faster if done by a 'professional'. But it can also backfire on your whole relationship with your dog.

My 2 cents...
Exactly. There is very little value in not being involved in all aspects of this training. When we trained Blaze, it was done completely at our home as we wanted her to start out protecting what was her territory from the very beginning. We switched back and forth between Hubby and I as handler.

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Old 04-24-2008, 10:28 AM   #16 (permalink)
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1 st i dont tink that sending out a dog for training is a good idea at all there is no bound being build up bettewn you and your dog ...

wich i belive it is something build in training process respect ,confidence ect.

and i dont think that 7 week is enough time to learn even the basic and to have a happy dog that wants to work for you ... in fact there is much chances that he will fear you insted and the dog will not be reliable

as for protection work yes you can introduce it but it has to be a game not work dog is not mature yet as an example in sch the fist title in bite work ca be obtain at a min of 18 mounth of age ... and the level 3 at a min age of 2 years ..... and it is well know that a dobe mature slower so ....

dont ruin your dog tyake the time to work it out ...
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What I was afraid of was that you were expecting too much from a 6 month old puppy. As ripper.qc has stated they won't even give a shutshund I until 1 1/2 years. I don't think that it is always necessary to bond with the dog in the beginning of the training, take the seeing eye dog, they are raised by one family, trained by someone else then the trainer works with the individual and the dog together. Some police departments, military & other law enforcements will import Shutshund I dogs, pair them up with the officers and have them train together. At some point you will need to learn and work with the dog and it is a continuous process, especially if you do bite work.
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I agree with everyone else. I myself do this type of training with my doberman, but she and I are a team and we do it together. I have two training directors in my schutzhund club that guide me along the entire way, and we also attend seminars. I would never in a million years hand my dog over to somebody else for them to train. IMO the bond formed beteween the trainer and the dog is priceless, so why in the world would you want to give that to somebody else?
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Just a little input here: I live here in Europe and live the languages too so I must correct a couple of things from your video link on German commands. Our puppy is in Obedience training in Germany at present, but we accompany him and do the work alongside the trainer (3 X per week). Sitz (zits) and Hier are correct but Platz - no. In the Obedience ring the professional word is Datz for down. Platz is ok for people but Datz is for dogs. Lass means let go or drop it or spit it out. Aus means "enough or it's over". It's common in the USA that the commands are a little bit off because of dictionariie translations but I hate to see people start off on the wrong foot. Good luck in all that you decide for your puppy!!
I haven't been on the forum for a while, but thought I would chime in since this is my video that is being discussed. I lived in Austria for a year and I do speak German, and in the dog sport world, Platz which translates to place is the correct word for use with dogs. "Lass Es" means leave it and is used for telling a dog to leave something alone such as shoes or something they should not be chewing on. Aus is the off command, but we use it also to "out" the dog to have them let go of the toy, sleeve suit whatever. It also infers the guard command in sport dogs, i.e. let go and gaurd the man. It is common in the Us to mispronounce German words, or to use the wrong ones, that is why we made the video. Boris is a special dog and yes his obedience was spot on before we teach behavior such as biting people :-) There has to be respect and control before you cross that line, especially since he had so much civil work done with him, hidden sleeves and even live bites, he is not a sport dog anymore as he let me know the last time we did an escape bite with him in a seminar and he grabbed the back of my thigh instead of the sleeve that was presented :-) He was just doing his job the way he had been trained, target effective areas not equipment. Boris learned full body bites and enjoys them as you can see here:
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Old 04-25-2008, 07:02 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Everyone is entitled to their opinions on training familydobes, but in Germany where we train with our trainer who does has done this all his life, datz is used professionally. Maybe in Austria you learned something else, but we don't go platzing in the shows over here.
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Maybe in Austria you learned something else, but we don't go platzing in the shows over here.
And over here we don't datz, we platz.
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Everyone is entitled to their opinions on training familydobes, but in Germany where we train with our trainer who does has done this all his life, datz is used professionally. Maybe in Austria you learned something else, but we don't go platzing in the shows over here.
Go to the schutzhund trials anywhere in Europe, in the sport of Schutzhund Platz is the expected command. It is even in the rulebook as such, it is at the international competitions that way as well.
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Not that this pertains to the original question in this thread at all. I am German, from Munich. The command is "Platz" - period. As well as "aus".

Does it matter to the dog? Probably not, it is whatever you teach it.
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How did this training go? I was actually about to send my doberman duke off for obedience training with him for 4 weeks and then depending on that then protection. But I actually don't like the idea of not being near my dog no matter the reason, which he has good reasons but still.

I figured for 850 dollars I can build something in my acre back yard and pay a buddy that he hasn't met to aggitate my dog and pretend to be an aggressor then act buddy buddy with him and have him take a knee while I let him greet him without the aggressor mode that way he knows the difference. He is a year old and I have been able to obedience train him on my own to where he will lay down, sit, find, play hide and seek, and stay in position until I tell him to move (longest has been 6 minutes so far in sit position while I was at the other side of the yard). Any tips would be helpful, I don't use food as a training method because he seems to respond very well to just simple praise (he sleeps in bed with me is probably why).
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A dog must first of all have BH (Begleithund) training (and pass the test at the end of training before being introduced to any protection or bite work) The minimum age for dogs to participate in a BH test is 15 months.
BH training period depends on the individual dogs abilities but most certainly not less than few months..
My Kaiser had this training before his IPO1 test and at the moment Nika is being trained BH..

some links to explain what is BH training and test
BH rules | BH test rules | Begleithund German Temperament Test Rules | BH commands, heeling pattern, and scoring
http://www.dvgamerica.com/04BHRules.pdf
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