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Old 02-10-2013, 08:50 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Foxes.... Cute or Pest? (likely divisive thread)

How do you see them?

Personally I think they are pests, they indiscriminantly kill livestock such as chickens. A fox once got into my chuck house when I lived in the UK. It killed 35 of my chickens in a frenzy one ill fated night and didnt take one little piece but instead left their twisted corpses where they were killed. It was also seen pulling at a lamb as it was being born whilst its mother tried her best to get away, with lamb half in half out.

Now there is another report from the UK of a fox attacking a person. Not an adult, but a 4 week old baby.

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Police are investigating a fox attack on a one-month-old baby boy, who had his finger torn off by the animal after being dragged from his cot.

The animal seriously injured the infant after entering his bedroom in Bromley, south east London, according to reports.

A Metropolitan Police spokesman said: "We were called at 1638 on Wednesday 6 February by staff at St Thomas's Hospital to reports a baby boy who had been admitted to hospital after being attacked by a fox. Police attended to find a four-week-old baby with a hand injury.

"The baby was admitted to hospital after the attack at its home address in Bromley. Inquiries continue."

The child's mother was alerted by his screaming and rushed into his room to see his hand lodged "halfway down the animal's throat", the Mail on Sunday said.

Surgeons were able to reattach the baby's finger and he was said to be recovering well.

London Mayor Boris Johnson said more must be done to tackle the growing problem of urban foxes. He told BBC News: "They may appear cuddly and romantic but foxes are also a pest and a menace, particularly in our cities.

"This must serve as a wake-up call to London's borough leaders, who are responsible for pest control. They must come together, study the data, try to understand why this is becoming such a problem and act quickly to sort it out."

Mr Johnson also said his thoughts were "with the baby boy and his family".

An RSPCA spokeswoman said the only reason a fox would attack is due to fear. She said: "It's extremely unusual for foxes to attack young children or anyone. It's not typical fox behaviour at all."
I would love to hear your opinions on this subject especially the last paragraph.

Personally I have never heard so much crap in my life, what possible threat could a 4 week old baby pose to a fox.

Foxes are not the cute fluffy creature portrayed in childrens books wearing waistcoats and top hats. They are wild creatures quite capable of killing chickens, lambs, they also kill cats, rabbits and small dogs in urban/built up areas and now it would seem they are not adverse to attacking small babies.

In the UK it is now illegal to hunt them using dogs, those that continue to cull them via gun, poison or trap are often attacked by so called animal lovers who believe they do not need keeping in check but that they should be allowed to breed and live without any form of control being put on their numbers not just in the towns and cities but also the countryside.

I am not advocating wholesale slaughter, I believe in removing rogue animals that pose a threat to someones property/livelihood but not mass killings as some would have you believe us farmers want. I love nothing more than to see a fox running at first light across the fields, but not with a lamb or chicken in its mouth and certainly I would not ever want to come across one chowing down on my grandchilds hand, yea gods, if these were dogs there would be uproar.

Do you guys have a fox problem in your countries, do you think they have their place in your towns and cities, would you support a cull or would you try to stop it via peaceful means or other?

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Old 02-10-2013, 09:07 AM   #2 (permalink)
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The area I live in is called the Fox Valley and we live alongside the Fox River, but unfortunately the foxes did not seem to stick around once humans started moving in. Just in the last year or two we've seen a fox and her kit along the river when we go for walks in the summer, so maybe they're coming back. When we see them, it's always like "wow, cool! there's a fox!" time to run and grab the camera!
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Foxes aren't too much of a problem here. We don't have an overpopulaton of them and they are allowed to be hunted. Coyotes can be an issue though, at least from the POV of some people. They do prey on livestock and will eat small pets for dinner. At least with coyotes, attacks on people are rare because of how shy the animals are. Unless one is protecting pups, cornered, desperately hungry, or sick, they usually don't bother people. Coyotes that are fed by people lose their fear of humans and can be a risk, though. Children are more likely to be stalked than adults, because of their size. Wiki has a list of coyote attacks, if you want to check it out. California reported 35 attacks over a 25 year period.

And the coyotes on the east coast might fill an important predator niche that we really need. They are adapable enough to hunt in pairs or in groups of 3-4 and by doing that, could take whitetail deer. We have such a deer overpopulation that they are destroying forests, crops, killing people in deer vs. car collisions, etc. People hate the idea of culling deer, because hey, it's Bambi. But, the damage the deer do to the forests and also crops is pretty undeniable. Since our eastern coyotes did crossbreed with wolves on their trip out here from the west, pack behavior plus the adaptable nature of the coyote could allow them to help hunters handle the deer problem.

However, I'm not opposed to culling nuisiance animals. We need predators like fox and coyote to keep prey populations in check, especially in areas where the larger predators (wolves, bear, cougar) have been eliminated. Still, if an fox or coyote is brazen enough to climb in through a window and attack a child, it needs to be shot. That isn't fear behavior, honestly. And I think that farmers should be allowed to shoot predators that they see actively attacking their livestock. We already allow loose dogs who are running livestock to be shot.

There are plenty of ways to co-exist with predators. Blanket protecting them all won't work, though, because there will be some dangerous animals like the fox in that news story. But eliminating all of them won't work either. We're still reaping the negative effects from eliminating all of the deer's natural predators here. Coyotes and foxes also kill plenty of rodents, which is beneficial.

So yeah, I think a balanced approach is the best one. Cull nuisance or dangerous animals, and do culling in areas where they are overpopulated like we do here with deer. And let the rest live. They are a necessary factor in keeping other animal populations in check.

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i live in the city. if we see a fox, it's usually roadkill pretty quickly.
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I love foxes Along with all other British wildlife. I think theyre beautiful and are just amazingly able to adapt to different situations, hence them doing so well in cities and towns alike. I guess this is part of their downfall to.

I don't really know much about the population problems with foxes, but I wouldn't be against rhe humaine killing of problem animals. I think it's very unusual for a fox to hurt a human, though I am not a fox expert, I suspect there must have been something wrong with it.

I was told in a fight with a fox and a cat, a cat would always win? Unless maybe the cat was sick or very young.

I think it's a shame we humans arent able to co-exist more with nature.
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I don't mind foxes... though my boyfriend hates them because they steal his rabbits hahahaa. I seen a video of a pet fox, one from the Russia experiment. The owner of it said she couldn't be in the house because she marked a lot. By the end of the video the fox was trying to steal a bowl that was on the table... typical fox. I don't think I could ever own one, tamed or not, they're still the same.
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I was told in a fight with a fox and a cat, a cat would always win? Unless maybe the cat was sick or very young.

I think it's a shame we humans arent able to co-exist more with nature.

Foxes are tenacious hunters, so whilst on the surface you would imagine it might have a fight on if it picked on a healthy adult cat I personally think the fox will win every time, unless it is disturbed or inexperienced.

I live alongside nature as best I can. I live and let live, and as long as the fox doesnt try get at my chickens he can go about his daily life with no hassle from me. However, the moment he starts to try and get in to them, to kill them then I have to take action, otherwise I would soon be without my chickens who happen to feed both my family and my dogs.

Foxes account for a significant percentage of deaths amongst pet rabbits, guinea pigs, cats and small dogs in towns and cities. They have no natural predators and for the most part go unchecked in built up areas because most of the local authorities fear upsetting folk who think foxes are cute characters and therefore should be fed and nurtured.

I heartily agree with RFR that we humans are totally to blame for a great many of the problems because of the way we have effed up the balance of things. But the damage is surely done and we, those of us, that have to live with the threat of our livestock being killed by dear little 'Reynard' have to try and deal with it as best we can.
In the UK and Spain we no longer have wild bears or wolves to hunt down and cull naturally the deer or fox population. (mind in Spain there are so few deer thanks to the indiscriminate hunting of them so they really arent a problem). As it happens in parts of Spain and I think in a very remote area of Scotland (within a fenced area in Scotlands case) they have reintroduced a few wolves and in Spain there was talk of re-introducing a couple of bears, the fact remains they are not the indigenous species but rather they are imported in. Will they make a difference to the fox population, not a chance, for one thing they are being kept away from areas where they are likely to meet up with people which means a huge huge percentage of the country will be off limits to them.
So fact is people have to deal with the problem.

In towns and cities you can hardly go laying poison or traps, neither can you shoot foxes which means they are going unchecked. Food in the shape and form of garbage is available. Then there are the well meaning individuals who feed the foxes. They breed and breed and because they have no predators they then become a menace who may attack small children if they are hungry enough or ill.

Then there is the danger of Rabies. England hasn't had a case in many many years, neither has Spain, but we all know how easy it is for this disease to come into a country if just one animal is imported or crosses the border and what then.
Hundreds of potentially rabid foxes running the streets is one very worrying thought.

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Old 02-10-2013, 11:34 AM   #9 (permalink)
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we can all be cute pests at times.

i have had raccoons haul off ducks and chickens...........last year the poor momma duck was killed and eaten not far from her baby ducks......it was not a pleasant sight to see.

a raccoon has got to eat too.

I needed to fix the hole in my chicken fence.

what i am trying to say is.............

i do not want raccoons eating my chickens or ducks, and i know if given the chance they will.

so i need to try and find a way to live with the raccoon.

i like the raccoon because he is a big dude and he keeps all the smaller raccoons off the property cause it is his territory.

get to know your cute pests, or pests who are cute, , and try and learn to live with them..............

now all that said.....we do not have foxes..............
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We occasionally see a fox around the neighborhood and in our woods. They really aren't too much of a problem. I remember last summer there was a fox that was lurking around. In broad daylight it would be out wandering. It actually played with the neighbor's dogs during the day lol (the dogs had all their shots). Then again, there isn't livestock in our residential, neighborhood. I always put food out for the animals. We get a ton of deer, raccoons, possum, etc. They don't tear up the plants or anything. We also have wild ducks that practically live in our creek and backyard.

I haven't read any reports about foxes attacking young children where I live. It might depend on the area and the wildlife that could bring out that predator drive in them. I'd say around here they're more friend than foe. Then again, if we had livestock, that could change.
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Foxes round here are very rare sightings, really the only people who see them are farmers and they obviously hate them. I think they're completely adorable and I wish I could see them more but that would probably be a bad thing in hindsight. Granted I like many "pests" as they're only "pests" because we humans have to throw a tantrum if anything steals "our" stuff.

TBH TobysHuman the US has not eliminated rabies and while it is still a problem we do not have hundreds of completely rabid predators running around biting everyone With acknowledgement of the problem we know how to spot a rabid animal and how to deal with it, and with our looser gun laws shooting a rabid animal on sight is the typical response. We also have required rabies vaccinations for various domesticated animals and we teach our young children not to mess with seemingly friendly wild or sick animals (at least, not without an adult!). On top of strict quarentine periods and hospitals told to treat all wild animal bites equally in terms of rabies exposure we are well on our way to controlling the problem.
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How do you see them?

Personally I think they are pests, they indiscriminantly kill livestock such as chickens. A fox once got into my chuck house when I lived in the UK. It killed 35 of my chickens in a frenzy one ill fated night and didnt take one little piece but instead left their twisted corpses where they were killed. It was also seen pulling at a lamb as it was being born whilst its mother tried her best to get away, with lamb half in half out.

Now there is another report from the UK of a fox attacking a person. Not an adult, but a 4 week old baby.



I would love to hear your opinions on this subject especially the last paragraph.

Personally I have never heard so much crap in my life, what possible threat could a 4 week old baby pose to a fox.

Foxes are not the cute fluffy creature portrayed in childrens books wearing waistcoats and top hats. They are wild creatures quite capable of killing chickens, lambs, they also kill cats, rabbits and small dogs in urban/built up areas and now it would seem they are not adverse to attacking small babies.

In the UK it is now illegal to hunt them using dogs, those that continue to cull them via gun, poison or trap are often attacked by so called animal lovers who believe they do not need keeping in check but that they should be allowed to breed and live without any form of control being put on their numbers not just in the towns and cities but also the countryside.

I am not advocating wholesale slaughter, I believe in removing rogue animals that pose a threat to someones property/livelihood but not mass killings as some would have you believe us farmers want. I love nothing more than to see a fox running at first light across the fields, but not with a lamb or chicken in its mouth and certainly I would not ever want to come across one chowing down on my grandchilds hand, yea gods, if these were dogs there would be uproar.

Do you guys have a fox problem in your countries, do you think they have their place in your towns and cities, would you support a cull or would you try to stop it via peaceful means or other?
Interesting. We have a few gray foxes around here, but more problems with coyotes than anything. I have never heard of a fox or even a coyotes attacking people, or even wholesale slaughter of livestock. What we have had problems with is egg stealing, and killing of our hens, but only one at a time. I hate to say it, but when we had multiple birds killed and not eaten, more often than not it was ferrel dogs. The last place I lived was about an hours drive from the Dallas/Fort Worth area and I was close to the interstate. People would come out there to the country and dump their dogs when they no longer wanted them. Many times these animals were abused, starving and or diseased. They would start running in wild packs and revert back to their wild way. Most ranchers around me had a shoot on site policy for any strays on their property. Kind of sad really. It wasn't the dogs' fault. It was their so called best friend man's fault.
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We apparently have foxes in my area. I've never seen one.

If I had livestock, I might think they're pests. I just have a house, so I can get really wound up on my squirrel hatred.

In general, I feel nature has its place and it's up to humans to figure out how to best fit together. We manage our dog behavior for their health and safety, and it's up to us to do what we can to manage property and failsafes so that fox (or coyote or squirrel or raccoon....) behavior doesn't have a chance to be too mischievous with the things we care about. But again, I've only ever lived in towns, and have this platonic pastoral ideal of how things like that can be done, no real world experience.

Other than the squirrels.
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The night 35 of my chickens were killed the fox had climbed up the fencing, squeezed through a small gap between the wall of the compound and its roof. It then clambered down, ran up to the flap on the chicken house, pushed it up and got in.

How do I know, because a week after the slaughter occurred I got some replacement chickens and one evening as I was sat enjoying the evening I saw him do it.

The thing is, in rurul areas farmers know they have to be wary of foxes, coyotes, racoons etc. But I do not think for one second that most town and city folk think they have to take precautions.

Many many years ago there was a rabies scare in the UK. Talk was of culling badgers, foxes etc by the thousand if the disease was confirmed.

I know the likelihood of thousands of animals being infected with rabies running through the streets is simply not worth computing, but the fact remains, the UK Government at the time of the last scare put into place the framework to cull any animal likely to carry the disease so someone somewhere must have thought it needed thinking about.

As for Rabies jabs, I am not sure but I don't think they are compulsory in the UK as they are here in Spain. Thing is even though they are here, a good percentage of dog owners do not have their dogs vaccinated which surely means if Rabies was to resurface here it could soon spread faster than if they had.

Oh by the way, foxes in urban areas are showing less and less fear of humans which surely means there will be more incursions into areas such as homes if windows and doors are left open on summer nights etc.

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I don't think I'll ever understand the culling of native species, pretty much all of ours are endangered

In Australia where they are an introduced pest I think they should be eradicated, even though they are cute. Just like possums, ferrets, rabbits and all other mammalian pests here! I think its very sad that wild animals are put into situations where they have the opportunity to attack people and livestock... It's a crowded earth and things are not going to get better for our beautiful wild predators
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it is true that many wild animals are getting desenstized to humans.

it was bound to happen.

so many wild animals must live in very close proximity to many humans, for many reasons now.

another thing that is new (well has been happening for the last 20 years or so)......many so called 'green' projects have invaded what used to be........hard to get to places. Now there are roads and powerlines into these remote areas.

So, we are seeing species moving along these man made pathways right up to yours and my back doors.

animals will take the path of least resistance.............why walk in the dense underbrush to get to food when you can just saunter along a road till food shows up!

we now have grizzly bears in our black bears territory..................

and so on, and so on................
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Oh by the way, foxes in urban areas are showing less and less fear of humans which surely means there will be more incursions into areas such as homes if windows and doors are left open on summer nights etc.
That's increasingly becoming a problem on this side of the pond with coyotes, bears, and moose depending on what state you're in and Canada. States with lots of 'yotes will sometimes see them trotting down the road like there's no problem at all, there's even a picture of one boarding a bus and curling up in the front seat! In my city last year there was a black bear strolling down one of the busiest downtown streets! A black bear! Do you realize in my many years of hiking I've only seen 3 of them, and then suddenly there's one in the middle of the city hours away by driving to the nearest forest.

I believe it was traq'd and relocated as it had not attacked anyone. A couple people assumed it was a dog until they took a second look, then called AC to deal with it as they did not want an angry bear in the busiest part of the city.
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it is true that many wild animals are getting desenstized to humans.

it was bound to happen.

so many wild animals must live in very close proximity to many humans, for many reasons now.

another thing that is new (well has been happening for the last 20 years or so)......many so called 'green' projects have invaded what used to be........hard to get to places. Now there are roads and powerlines into these remote areas.

So, we are seeing species moving along these man made pathways right up to yours and my back doors.

animals will take the path of least resistance.............why walk in the dense underbrush to get to food when you can just saunter along a road till food shows up!

we now have grizzly bears in our black bears territory..................

and so on, and so on................
Grizzlies from what I understand kill Black Bears, they have no chance of defending themselves against so large an opponent.

More and more people invade the countryside here, they come up in cars, scream through on motorbikes and walk along as if they were simply walking in a park. They drop litter which injures the wildlife, lit cigerettes resulting in wildfires etc and then complain when they meet a snake or stumble across a wild boar. Hunters kill anything that moves, and I mean anything, dogs included, protected species and sometimes they have killed each other through their indiscriminate blasting into the undergrowth.

Foxes here in the countryside tend to stay away from people, but I recall when I used to visit my mother in England she used to tell me how the local fox used to bring her cubs for some food which she stupidly gave them. We had no end of rows over it, I was so afraid that as an elderly lady she was putting herself in danger of catching some disease from the filthy horrible specimens that these foxes were.
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Foxes.... Cute or Pest? (likely divisive thread)

They are pest around here. Many people think they are cute, but I see past the cute.
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i agree.....us humans are the reason for so much 'change' in the world, and much of the so called changes for the better are.....not better in the BIG picture.

small story...........

there is a cool small mountain in my area that can be climbed by most in 4 to 6 hours...nice climb, cool old trail, lots of view points along the way.......and the view from the top is awesome!

then some ATVers got an idea to build a cabin near the top for overnight stays.......well of course they needed to build a roadway in order to drive their ATVs up the mountain. haul up building materials and camp at the finished cabin.....................

i will not climb that mountain again just to pick up garbage and listen to ATVs running around, etc. it is just not the same place for me anymore.
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i agree.....us humans are the reason for so much 'change' in the world, and much of the so called changes for the better are.....not better in the BIG picture.

small story...........

there is a cool small mountain in my area that can be climbed by most in 4 to 6 hours...nice climb, cool old trail, lots of view points along the way.......and the view from the top is awesome!

then some ATVers got an idea to build a cabin near the top for overnight stays.......well of course they needed to build a roadway in order to drive their ATVs up the mountain. haul up building materials and camp at the finished cabin.....................

i will not climb that mountain again just to pick up garbage and listen to ATVs running around, etc. it is just not the same place for me anymore.

I cannot understand this type of person. If something is beautiful as it is, why do they feel the need to change it. It surely isn't the same for them as it isn't for you now they have done all the remodelling.

The track that leads to my farm goes pretty much no where. You can drive only so far up it after which it goes into the narrowest of goat or donkey tracks which goes up a slope that forces you to go up it on all fours if the wind is blowing or if you are like me don't like sheer drops on both sides. Motorbikes speed up our lane kicking the gravel up into the air and digging deep grooves into the surface. The donkey track is carved to pieces the slopes riven till they crumble under foot.
And the noise, yea gods, it is terrible.
I have had them stop and shout at me because I am walking my dogs along the paths because I refuse to step aside onto the steep sided slope because they want to speed through. They seem to think it macho to go everywhere especially the more dangerous areas at break neck speed where even the most sure footed donkey would tread very carefully.

More like stupid, not too mention disrespectful of the land they accuse me of not respecting when I do as little damage to it as I walk along.
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I cannot understand this type of person. If something is beautiful as it is, why do they feel the need to change it. It surely isn't the same for them as it isn't for you now they have done all the remodelling. ..
Why do you not feel this same way...about the foxes?

I'm sorry, but I've been reading along, and most of the things you're proposing, such as "hundreds of rabid foxes running thru the city," and one fox killing 35 chickens in one night--just seem very, very far-fetched.

Feral dogs are MUCH more likely to have been your chicken murderers--a healthy fox will generally only kill what it plans to eat, and then exit posthaste to enjoy the meal somewhere in relative safety.

Just because you saw a lone fox a couple days later, does not mean he was necessarily your original culprit.

As to hundreds of rabid fox attacks, um, the furious form of rabies is very rare indeed, even among the already-rare incidence of both forms of rabies, or total cases of rabies.

Much more likely, in a rabid animal, is the "dumb" form, where they stumble, cannot coordinate movements, have difficulty with swallowing (hence the "hydrophobic" mythology, and generally wouldn't really be capable of attacking anyone or anything, or even defend themselves if they were attacked. It's a brain encephalitis, after all, and fatal.

Yes, it's a nasty disease, but I don't see folks having to wear Kevlar suits to work, to avoid the rabid Zombie fox herds, out prowling for human flesh.

Find ways, as Darkevs said, to live as harmoniously as possible with the wildlife. After all, they were there first.

*None of this applies to millipedes, sorry, until someone can prove THEIR particular vital niche in the ecosystem, to me <shudder>
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Foxes will definitely kill 35 chickens in one night. They certainly don't only kill what they eat! They will come back and eat old,rotting carcases,they look upon the dead chickens as their larder! I don't think it is a plot for world domination,just sensible forward planning.
I still hate them for destroying my flock!
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I believe this is what happened in this case, the mother had left the back door open & the fox got into the house. There was also a case in London about 2 years ago where twin girls were attacked by a fox while in their cots after the parents left the door open. I'm in no way sticking up for the fox but if you live in an area with urban foxes & you have really young children then surely you would keep your doors shut. Better safe than sorry.

The main problem with urban foxes is IMO down to us humans. Too many takeaways & rubbish left on the streets, rubbish not being collected often enough, people encouraging them into their gardens to feed them. If their food supply dries up, surely they'll move on elsewhere?
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Why do you not feel this same way...about the foxes?

I'm sorry, but I've been reading along, and most of the things you're proposing, such as "hundreds of rabid foxes running thru the city," and one fox killing 35 chickens in one night--just seem very, very far-fetched.

Feral dogs are MUCH more likely to have been your chicken murderers--a healthy fox will generally only kill what it plans to eat, and then exit posthaste to enjoy the meal somewhere in relative safety.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with this. A fox will kill EVERYTHING in a chicken coop, and then maybe leave with one. I have seen it on several occasions. And they will get in almost anywhere, they are clever tricky little buggers.

I have had one trot across a carpark in broad daylight within 3 feet of me while I was trying to shout and stamp my feet and shoo it away, it didn't even look at me, and it showed no fear whatsoever. You can see them roaming the streets at night here going through bins and rooting around, running along with the traffic, they have very little fear of anything, and it scares me alot. Although I didn't believe for a while that foxes would ever come into houses, I've now seen cctv footage from peoples houses (it was on the news last night) of them jumping through windows, going upstairs and in one case even climbing on someones bed while they were asleep. I have no doubt that they would try and harm a baby if they had the opportunity, they are a predator after all and it's a small defenceless smelly squealy thing.

If people want to leave them alone in the countryside then so be it, but something has to be done about them in the cities, they are getting too bold. People also need to stop FEEDING them! It drives me mad, they are quite capable of scavenging their own dinner they do not need drawing to peoples front doors so people can show their kids "aaah aren't they cute". Some kids had one cornered in a friends garden once and were wanting to stroke it. Thank god she stopped them before they tried.

And the noise they make in the middle of the night right outside your door they sound like a wounded baby, it's terrifying to wake up to that. I know that's a pathetic reason to dislike them but I do.
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