MsMoppett

Best. Quote. Ever.

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Toby'shuman

Once upon a time a group of people decided to demonstrate against a fox hunt.

They huddled beneath the banner of PETA/Animal Rights, and proclaimed themselves to be true animal lovers.

And yet.

They put wire across an open gateway so that when the children who were instructed not to jump over the hunt fences went through them it literally sent their ponies head over heels, injuring the animal and rider alike.

They sprayed ammonia into the hounds eyes, causing excrutiating pain and unfortunately irreparable damage resulting in 3 of the hounds having to be shot there and then by the Master. (he couldnt stand to hear them screaming in agony, their eyes having melted in their heads).

They pulled a child of 9 years old off his pony's back, letting the pony go off on its own on a main road and kicked said child in the stomach and about the head. They would have continued to do so if it hadn't been for the hunt supporters rescuing him and recapturing the pony who was wandering around in danger of being hit by a car or the like.

It is one thing to have a problem with me, because I fox hunt (or rather I used too). Another when you take it out on a child and maybe even worse on a horse/pony/hound whom you purport to love.

Nut jobs come in all shapes and sizes, they believe their way is the only way and nothing you can say will stop them in this belief.

However, there may be those out there who are not so fanatical, who can be persuaded that not all folk who buy from ethical breeders are the devil incarnate. That the dogs in the rescues etc actually come into being because of 'greeders' and that it is these people they should be aiming their sights upon not the likes of you and others.

I genuinely support rescues, hell I have volunteered in the not so distant past at one here, (due to hubby being unwell I can't do it at the moment).
Right at this very moment in time I am considering going down to the ones in our region to see if they have a female Jack Russell (type, doesnt have to be an actual JR) as a companion to my big Terrier (he misses his brother terribly).
I have registered at local rescues and on a site called 'Rescue Me' saying I am interested in adopting a female Dobe, Rottie, Boxer and have indicated I am willing to travel the length and breadth of Spain to give one a home if one should become in need.

Do I consider myself better than those that haven't.

Not one bit, I am me and I support what I want, when I want and I find it distasteful that anyone should spout their beliefs, politics, religeon or whatever in my face/online.

If it disturbs you so, respond if you wish, set up your own site if you wish, or simply unfriend that relative and get on with what is important to you and do what you can, when you can to make a difference in your own way.

ZeldaRules

I'm sharing them for discussion because it interests me. Michael Vick greatly disturbs me but I participated in the discussions here about him because it was a great discussion and one that interested me. The holocaust disturbs me, 9/11 disturbs me, the recent mass child shootings disturbs me, but I'm not going to block out those events from my life and just move on because they're upsetting. Breeder's of albino dobes, BYBs, kimbertal....I could go on but I hope you understand my point by now.

What I posted is general off topic discussion. I could turn around and ask why don't you just move on from this thread if you have no opinion on the subject matter?

Toby'shuman

The threads that are controversial, contencious etc, etc are often the best. True they are not to everyones taste but then no one forces us to read what has been written and certainly none of us are forced to respond.

I find some peoples viewpoint somewhat strange, occasionally offensive if I am honest, but I accept (and hope others accept it too) that we are all adults and can handle the good and the bad in life. If I don't happen to agree with something someone posts, well, I am grown up enough (or at least I hope I am) to just shrug it off and get on.

The concept that all breeders are in the wrong is misplaced.
The concept that all people who show are more concerned with themselves than their dogs is also misplaced.
The concept that all those who work their dogs are doing something bad with their dogs is also misplaced.

That is not to say there are not bad breeders as well as bad folk who show and work their dogs (heck here in Spain all three kinds come by the busload). But to say all of these people are somehow inferior to someone who has rescued a dog from some shelter is so way off it is actually bordering on being ridiculous.
We all love in our own way.

ZeldaRules

Thanks TH! That's exactly what I was getting at, you are just better at wording it than I am I think it's great discussion points because something has seriously shifted in the dog world regarding those who have become so militant about their cause, people are getting brave to a fault, they are doing more harm than good, they are publicly shunning and attempting to make fools and belittle those who think differently and do differently, but who are still making a positive change in the dog world. I'm going to read your long response when I get time, I'm posting on my phone in between kennel work at school right now.

All the photos these people made are ridiculous, but the one showing how "true dog lovers" hug their dogs compared to those that show is just weird and humorous at best...I mean really?? ;p

4Dobes

It's quiet laughable that these so called animal rights activists target breeders instead of targeting the real cause for the majority of dogs finding themselves unwanted in shelters.

They should be targeting the people who give their dogs up.
They need to concentrate on changing the modern dog owners mentality.

Their focus should be directed more on the fact that dogs are a life long commitment not something to purchase on a whim, give zero training to, then redeem because circumstances have changed !!!!

Unless we address the " a dog is for life not just Christmas" issue
Dogs will always be surrendered because it is too easy and acceptable to do so !!



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ZeldaRules

Agreed 4d, and sorry but Zeus does not look like a dog from a responsible breeder and neither do 99.9% of the purebred dogs I rescue.

Zeblar

Report them to FB for inciting hatred on there. They will soon shut them down and shut them up!

But I am with 4Dobes with them taking an easy out for who to penalise. Instead of going after the real issue they are just going for breeders as whole. Which is greatly stereotypical and unfair. I also think they know full and well that most breeders aren't the issue but the owners who give their dogs up are.

Buying from a reputable breeder that is helping to advance a breed is perfectly acceptable. They need to get off their high horse and take a real look at what the problem is instead of making generalisations and attacking the masses that have done sweet FA wrong!!

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millerdobes

Microchipping all dogs might help those that create the suffering of some of these dogs might work. But blaming breeders that take back dogs produced and do what is right is exactly what PETA wants to stop, all breeding. I guess, once all the dogs are adopted out and spayed there will be not dogs as pets. Think that is the point.

I find it offensive to blame all breeders for the issue and try to shame them. There is no shame in producing dogs that are well bred, health tested, and shown. The slam to the show people is ridiculous. Most are some of the best homes for dogs ever and enjoy the many activities they participate in. Clearly, a PETA cause.......not surprised.

Many breeders assist in rescue. We foster and rescue a few. We do it because it is our choice, never out of shame. Rescuers are well aware of where the dogs in their care are coming from, and it isn't from the show breeders that I know. In fact, I know of none personally that not only would take back a rehome, they require the dog be returned by contract. I think these attitudes are straight from the mouth of PETA> Rescuers know the real story, this group is on another agenda to band all ownership. They don't fool me.

Dobiewankanobi

I guess I just don't see it as bullying. I mean, they have their own FB group for this specific reason. You don't have to be a part of it. Unless you're meaning that the relative is bullying for sending you the pic?

Meh...I live my life not caring what many think. I have 2 rescues and 1 dog I purchased from a reputable breeder. Those not as involved in rescue gave me a lot of grief about purchasing her...and those heavily involved supported my decision due to WHOM I purchased my dog from and WHY I made that decision.

In general...I think it's a respect thing. Not necessarily a militant or bullying thing.

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millerdobes

Well, it really simple to me. Hate is hate and some consider bullying Hating. Their name states hate and to me that is never a good thing.

I hate crime, murders, wars, deaths, abuse, but I don't Hate breeders or rescuers. Very sad that they want to HATE or BULLY. The world is too full of Hate already. Call it bullying, Call it hate, I call it wrong.

Dobiewankanobi

We live in a free country...you can choose to associate with a group or you can choose not to. It's really simple to me too.

Doesn't mean I agree with it, doesn't mean I disagree with it. I believe there are far more important things going on in the world at this moment than someone's feelings about a group they joined with an interest they don't support and then complaining about it.

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RIP Kai 3/19/2001 - 11/8/2011

Hank

I love how these people dont realize, if everyone stopped breeding dogs like they wish, and ONLY rescued, then eventually there would be NO DOGS.
Oh wait, that's what PETA wants...

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ZeldaRules

Oops didn't mean to thank your post. I think your last sentence is pretty rude. This is a discussion board and I posted a topic that fit the general off topic chat category. I have a right to start a thread about cardboard boxes if I'd like to, doesn't mean I have to always be serious and only post about serious issues or issues that one person finds most important. Someone's child's ballet recital could be more important to them than how your dog placed in a show. Who are you or they to judge what matters more? Please be a little more respectful, some things you post about might not be important to other people but they don't tell you what to post about. Just because I don't agree with this group's agenda doesn't mean I'm not allowed to discuss it.

As you said, we live in a free country!

ZeldaRules

I'd love to find out if the admins of this group are PETA members. I'm not sure I'd get a straight answer if I asked though.

Dobiewankanobi

Actually, I don't think it was rude at all. Direct..Blunt..Sure. Tone is one of those things that many don't convey correctly on the internet. Your last sentence to Leileil could be interepreted as rude. As this one could be considered childish.

Nor did anyone say you could or could not start a discussion regarding whichever topic you choose. However, when you place a topic on a public message board I'm sure you are aware that others will have opinions that may or may not agree with your own.

Respect is one of those things that works both ways.

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RIP Kai 3/19/2001 - 11/8/2011

ZeldaRules

I know how a discussion forum works. I have not been disrespectful to you in this thread and you chose my topic to tell me I shouldn't be complaining about IHDB because there are more important things in the world going on.

Well, there are "more important" things going on in the world than birthdays, flowers and lakes, Vegas trips, pit bull tv shows, scary moms, and dog collars....why don't you go tell those posters how you really feel? What's important to you? What should we only be posting about in general off topic chat? Please pray tell.

Dobiewankanobi

Actually, I wasn't at all speaking to you, but to MillerDobes. Please re-read. She quoted me...I quoted her. My response to your thread was fairly tame I thought.

Somebody has a defensive attitude...

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RIP Kai 3/19/2001 - 11/8/2011

odiakkoh

Meh, I thought your comment was rude as well regardless of what kind of tone I read it in.


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Dobiewankanobi

Meh. Can't please everyone. Sorry you were offended.

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RIP Kai 3/19/2001 - 11/8/2011

ZeldaRules

I comprehended this quite clearly:

Doesn't mean I agree with it, doesn't mean I disagree with it. I believe there are far more important things going on in the world at this moment than someone's feelings about a group they joined with an interest they don't support and then complaining about it.

Dobiewankanobi

Ditto. Again, speaking to MillerDobes. Again expressing my opinion on a public forum.

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RIP Kai 3/19/2001 - 11/8/2011

RedFawnRising

Not to speak for other posters, but I think what was meant was sort of...uh, why all the fuss?

These folks are clearly fringe fanatics, and who the heck really cares what they think?

Maybe it's because you once before started that whole big long thread about being offended by some people's opinions of where/why you bought Prime? Just seems like this is more of the same.

I guess some folks reading along just kinda wish for you that you'd not be so defensive about Prime. Reasonable rescue folks should/could really understand why buying from a reputable breeder is also an ethical choice <shrug>

The rest of it kinda steps on freedom of speech stuff, which is a sore point with me. I may think some of this stuff is tacky, stupid, downright idiotic from this group...but it's America, and as long as they aren't actually threatening anyone, I think they have a constitutional right to spout stupidity.

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Dobiewankanobi

Thanks. That was my actual intent.

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RIP Kai 3/19/2001 - 11/8/2011

ZeldaRules

I guess if this topic about crazy peta mentality people and the silly/fanatical photos they make didn't interest or entertain anyone, no one would comment keeping the discussion going?

Why is it a crime to post about something I think is ridiculous? I'm not defensive about my dog, I'm defensive about good people getting wrongly treated.