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Stupid Human Tricks--at the Dog Park

Okay, so I got off early today, sun was shining, and I decided to take Whip and Obe to our local new(-ish) dog park.

Normally, I'm not much of a fan of dog parks--because of the humans, not necessarily their dogs--but this one is fairly roomy, rolling hills, and a nice wooded area at the back. Usually it's not real crowded and is a nice safe place to work on recalls and simple exercises, with distraction.

Whip and Obe are both fine with other dogs, unlike George and Mina, who have to have a lot of management to even do a short, appropriate session at a dog park.

So, as we're entering, we're in the "airlock" section and a young girl opens the inner gate as I'm taking off Whip's harness. I'm hurrying to remove Obe's too, as there is a rush of kids and dogs who want to see Obediah's unusual coloring and ask me questions.

Young blue Pibble girl comes slamming thru the sea of kid legs, and dives on Obediah, to whom I'm still attached.

I put my left hand on her chest and restrained her from nomming him, so she nommed my left hand instead, leaving several not-serious punctures.

She then came up over my shoulder and back and landed on Obe from above and bit him.

She got my right hand that time, plus my left hand again, but I got her off him and used my best you-are-about-to-die-without-last-rites voice, kneed her out of the way, and got Obe loose so at least he wasn't trapped on a leash in that tiny airlock space.

(I'm trying to make this story/rant short, and realize it ain't gonna happen.)

Anyhow, fast forward, dogs are all fine once out in the big park--I have an eagle eye on my dogs, the Pibble girl, and a lookout for any more trouble. Planned to leave, but also wanted to speak to the pit's owner.

It wasn't 'til then I realized I was bleeding, when another dog owner pointed that out to me. I knew I felt bruised, but the pittie girl HAD clearly inhibited her bite--found out she is an 11 mos pup.

So, here is the rant part:

Having had the owner pointed out to me, I approached him with "Hi, how are you, do you own that pretty little blue girl over there?"

I calmly asked if he'd seen the incident, was flabbergasted when he said "Yes."

Um, well, then, why didn't you come intervene and help?

He then proceeded to hold his hand up, palm out, in my face, and tell me his dog was "perfectly trained the Cesar Way," and that it was MY fault I'd been bitten as all I would have had to do was say "Off" to his girl and she would have stopped biting me and my dog.

"But, you probably don't know about dog training," he added, in a seedy, condescending little voice.

(Believe me when I say it was a tribute to my self-restraint that I didn't point out to him that he clearly didn't know about proper nutrition and exercise, so I didn't blame him for not being able to move his 400+ pound frame even once from the bench in the park, to interact with or supervise his "perfectly trained" dog.)

I can, not very often, but in the right circumstances, sort of channel Dixie Carter, and I proceeded to use my calm, firm, clipped words to read him the riot act about how I was not a "pit bull hater" as he pointed out, but rather a hater of irresponsible idiots who got hold of intense, tenacious breeds and then had no idea how to be proactive and appropriate with their dogs, and ended up making lame excuses that ended up getting the dogs a bad reputation at best, and put down at worst.

Right about that time, his blue girl came by, playing roughly with a black Lab who was not really a fan, but was tolerating it, and the pittie girl slammed into my knees. Just instinctively, I reached down and petted her to steady her, get her attention, and let her know not to knock me on over, kinda a "Hey, fragile pitiful human here, tone it down," like I do with all dogs.

Fat effer (sorry, still fuming) got a look on his face like "Oh, hey, maybe chickie-poo ain't afraid of my big bad Gotti/Gator cross, after all."

And then a couple seconds later, he kinda had this funny look cross his face when Whip came charging up at about 90 mph and skidded to a stop right in front of me, looking from him to me, checking the situation.

A look like "Oh, and this chick ain't here with a Yorkie, either. Maybe I AM a dumb azzhole, after all."

When he then left, several folks came up to thank me, said the little bitch is only 11 mos old, and has been escalating the past couple months--that the reason she's wearing a big leather harness is so *other* folks can pull her off their dogs when she "gets too intense." Apparently, several have been worrying about her, but had not said anything to the dude yet.

I HATE when idiots get hold of one of my favorite breeds--and expect them to just magically do what they're not really hard-wired to do, because they watched some stupid TV show, and expect other humans to take up their huge slack.

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I admire your self control in the situation. Hot damn. And LOL @ his Caesar Way response... not for or against the guy, but if he really knew anything he claimed to, he'd know to get the **** off his ass and take charge of the situation himself, not let some stranger deal with his dog while he watched.

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I agree some people are idiots. I like our dog park also because it is a a big old conservation area. I prefer to just walk around with Coco and her bestie, Scarlet, and letting them roam and play with each other instead of other dogs with idiot owners. I find its the people who always seem to be the issue at our park. The ones who have no clue what the hell is really going on with their dogs.

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I agree some people are idiots. I like our dog park also because it is a a big old conservation area. I prefer to just walk around with Coco and her bestie, Scarlet, and letting them roam and play with each other instead of other dogs with idiot owners. I find its the people who always seem to be the issue at our park. The ones who have no clue what the hell is really going on with their dogs.
Yeah, I always stick close/walk with my dogs, too.

We are really spoiled because we have such great places to hike around here normally, but it's deer season now and there are a ton of drunken idiots out in the woods playing the hunting game.

Any hiking now is with bells on the dogs, orange hair paint sprayed on their sides, and bright collars, harnesses, vest on me. Still kinda scary, and not super-peaceful, what with flinching at nearby rifle reports and all.

Then again, it's looking better again, compared to the idjit at the dog park

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I gave up 3 years ago-run in with a boxer and their idiot owner. Nice that Whip came to see what was going on and check up on you! How is your hand and I'm sure the "fat effer" didn't even offer to help...Some days I really hate people.

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Some days I really hate people.

I must say this exact phrase at least 3-5 x week.
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Whip and Obe pretty much stick with me, and yep, she's a good girl.

Both hands are fine--the funny thing is, the bite at work from the ubernasty Chi was really bad, had pain for weeks and have scarring and nerve damage. Multiple bites from a "vicious pit bull," and I'm fine. She wasn't even going for me, just being a moron about Obediah and all the excitement.

This is mostly little hole punches and there is one bad bruise by a tendon in my right hand, but I haven't even taken Advil.

Well, no of course he did not offer to help--he wouldn't even look down at my hands as I was speaking with him--caught him giving a quick glance and apparently he couldn't stand the sight of blood, big fool that he was.

He didn't apolgize, nor ask if I was okay.

I feel bad for his dog. She had demodex, bad, too, and her blue coat was dull and moth-eaten-looking.

Very athletic and drivey--she'd probably be a good girl, in the right owner's hands.

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"I HATE when idiots get hold of one of my favorite breeds"

YUP.


"Very athletic and drivey--she'd probably be a good girl, in the right owner's hands."

YUP.
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Probably a few more months.

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Your whole story is the reason that I was so hesitant to go to dog parks. I have 1 out of 3 dogs (and that is my doberboy) that has the right personality to go to the dog park, and I still keep a very close eye on him...not because he is going to do something, but because I don't know what idiots are bringing their unsafe dogs.

It also really frustrates me that it is another negative incident with a pit bull that all of these regular dog park people are witnessing. After quite a few run-ins with ignorant and uneducated pit bull owners, I believe that people need a license to own pit bulls so the public can learn what a true pit bull should really act like. They can show the world what a well socialized and trained pit bull is! And this is nothing negative about pitties b/c I own one and ADORE the breed; it's the stupid people that get them for the wrong reasons or simply didn't do their research before getting one.

PS-Hope your hand feels better, and way to go on keeping your patience...it sounds like you dealt with the person a lot nicer than I would have


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Your whole story is the reason that I was so hesitant to go to dog parks. I have 1 out of 3 dogs (and that is my doberboy) that has the right personality to go to the dog park, and I still keep a very close eye on him...not because he is going to do something, but because I don't know what idiots are bringing their unsafe dogs.

It also really frustrates me that it is another negative incident with a pit bull that all of these regular dog park people are witnessing. After quite a few run-ins with ignorant and uneducated pit bull owners, I believe that people need a license to own pit bulls so the public can learn what a true pit bull should really act like. They can show the world what a well socialized and trained pit bull is! And this is nothing negative about pitties b/c I own one and ADORE the breed; it's the stupid people that get them for the wrong reasons or simply didn't do their research before getting one.

PS-Hope your hand feels better, and way to go on keeping your patience...it sounds like you dealt with the person a lot nicer than I would have
Oh, I didn't mean to give the impression I was super friendly with the stupid dude.

I just didn't yell or use profanity or stray off-topic. I made it very clear to the people listening/gathered 'round that I blamed the owner, not the dog, and sure not the breed.

I have a pit cross too, who is very strong, pretty daggone big, and very powerful. He came to me at about a year, with a ton of very difficult issues. Training him made me a better trainer--I had to think outside the box.

I actually ended up rewarding him with scents, because at least the first few months, he had no other currency--wouldn't even make eye contact, would not accept treats, didn't react to praise or normal life rewards.

Years have passed, and we've formed a close partnership, but as he matured, he made it clear he does NOT really appreciate dogs not in his family. He will behave around other dogs, for me, but I would not set him up to fail by expecting him to be a dog-park-kinda-dog.

I just hope no dog or human gets too badly hurt, for today's moron to realize his little blue girl is not really gonna be able to run around with other dogs all day and get her exercise that way. In FantasyLand, he'd get off his butt and go walk her and eventually hike and run with her.

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Oh boy, that sounds like it was a treat (though I do love his string of realizations that you weren't some kind of shrinking violet with a frou frou dog).

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Oh, I didn't mean to give the impression I was super friendly with the stupid dude.

I just didn't yell or use profanity or stray off-topic. I made it very clear to the people listening/gathered 'round that I blamed the owner, not the dog, and sure not the breed.

I have a pit cross too, who is very strong, pretty daggone big, and very powerful. He came to me at about a year, with a ton of very difficult issues. Training him made me a better trainer--I had to think outside the box.

I actually ended up rewarding him with scents, because at least the first few months, he had no other currency--wouldn't even make eye contact, would not accept treats, didn't react to praise or normal life rewards.

Years have passed, and we've formed a close partnership, but as he matured, he made it clear he does NOT really appreciate dogs not in his family. He will behave around other dogs, for me, but I would not set him up to fail by expecting him to be a dog-park-kinda-dog.

I just hope no dog or human gets too badly hurt, for today's moron to realize his little blue girl is not really gonna be able to run around with other dogs all day and get her exercise that way. In FantasyLand, he'd get off his butt and go walk her and eventually hike and run with her.
Has your pit mix met mine lol?! Sounds like they have similar personalities. I have never had a dog as hard to train as her because she is so stubborn and praise doesn't work for her either..she would look at me like I was crazy when I would start praising her! They definitely get you thinking outside of the box, but once everything clicked and she learned that she had no other option but to listen, she became the perfect dog...her only downfall is that she isn't always friendly with other dogs.

And good for you for sticking to your guns with this guy...I'm glad you spoke your mind, let's just hope that some of it clicked in that pea brain of his!


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Dog park RFR...... tsk tsk tsk....

I'm glad you gave that dude words.
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Oh dog parks.... The initial concept is so good but it's just so unpredictable and horrible and kind of painful sometimes.

Glad you're okay, RFR!



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glad it wasn't anything serious that you had to go to the hospital for. I had to stop taking Odin to the dog parks because to many dogs want to assert their dominance on Odin. Their owners don't do anything about it and Odin will tolerate it for only a little while before he wants to put them in their place. So I don't want to risk it. We just stick with the dogs he knows and likes and he is pretty content about it so not a huge loss. I had to bite my tongue many times at the dog park because I knew I would just be talking to a wall. What a jerk for not saying sorry or helping you out.

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Dog park RFR...... tsk tsk tsk....

I'm glad you gave that dude words.
Pretty sure my dogs' toenails weren't dremmeled short enough for public presentation, too.

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On the one hand I think Dog Parks would be great to have around here and then I read such postings as this and think, erm, maybe not.
In all honesty I think the concept of training an animal here is most definitely alien. My trainer friend has been working with a dog and its owner on pulling issues. Owner will not use a martingale check collar, much less a prong so dog is constantly choking itself and pulling owner over. Imagine if said dog which humps everything in sight (it tried to hump Toby the other day, he was having none of that might I add and told him rather unpolitely to back off) were allowed to run loose in a dog park. EEEEEEKKKKKK!

As for aggressive dogs, this lot think if their dog acts mean it is somehow an indication of how big their you know what is.

RFR. I commend you for not losing your rag with the guy, I think I would have gone ape at him, especially seeing as he had no intention of doing anything regards his ill mannered dog or apologise/ask if you were okay.

It is worrisome though that no one, despite having issues with the dog has bothered to say something to the fat lout whose dog is running rough shod over theirs. Imagine if you had been less able to defend your dog and yourself. As it is, you got bitten, admittedly not seriously, mainly because the dog was after your dog not you, but still. You were so lucky it wasn't worse.

Some people shouldnt own a pet brick much less a dog especially a dog of such power and unfortunately bad reputation. One, such owner destroys the work of a thousand good owners just by drawing breath. Grrrrr!
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Ouch, sorry about your hand! And poor Obe.

It's really sad that people are afraid to speak up. I hope his encounter with you will wake him up enough to prevent a catastrophe in the future. Though, somehow, I doubt it.
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I am actually glad it is starting to get cold again ONLY because it helps weed the "slack" dog owners and their dogs out of the dog park. Can't be bothered to get off your ass and watch your dog at the dog park? Generally can't be bothered to sit uncomfortably in the cold while your poorly socialized dog tiptoes on the edge of big trouble all around the park then either.

I had to quit taking Roz to the big dog park right by where we live because of this. Twice I had to confront owners and twice I literally received applause from onlookers. I am generally a non-confrontational person, but throw the safety of my dog into the mix, and you better believe I am going to say what she can't. Now that it's colder, though, the large park is fairly empty and so manageable. Thank goodness for the small neighborhood park almost nobody knows about, play dates, and the nearby nature reserve.
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This.

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Hows the hand? Still ok? Glad the dog's ok.

I stopped going to our dog park after someone brought a ferret on a leash. The stupidity of people shocks me.
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Hows the hand? Still ok? Glad the dog's ok.

I stopped going to our dog park after someone brought a ferret on a leash. The stupidity of people shocks me.
Hand's fine, thanks for asking. One tooth hole a bit reddish and hurty, but will be soaking it and should clear right up.

And, um, a ferret? Really? Wow.

Maybe I'll bring one of the bunnies next time, let 'im run around and stretch his legs.

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Hand's fine, thanks for asking. One tooth hole a bit reddish and hurty, but will be soaking it and should clear right up.

And, um, a ferret? Really? Wow.

Maybe I'll bring one of the bunnies next time, let 'im run around and stretch his legs.
Yup a ferret wearing a tiny harness and leash. I got mine leashed up and out of there in a HURRY. I've always wondered how that trip ended for the ferret.
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Well if my Terrier was there, badly is how it would have ended for the ferret.

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