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Old 11-15-2012, 08:07 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Clove cigarettes?

Didn't want to hijack the other thread since I'm unintentionally famous for that.
But clove cigarettes have been banned? Who where what?
For me they were a "gateway" nail, so imo they're evil for that....but do still love the smell of them.

Anyone? I know I could & probably will still google it but...
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Old 11-15-2012, 08:26 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I smoked for over 40 years and have never heard of a clove cigarette.....
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In the U.S., they banned all "flavored" cigarettes. I guess they thought kids would look at it like candy and it would be "easier" to get addicted to smoking. Or something stupid like that. Of course I can't find any useful articles at the moment to link to, but it's something I know to be true.
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In the U.S., they banned all "flavored" cigarettes. I guess they thought kids would look at it like candy and it would be "easier" to get addicted to smoking. Or something stupid like that. Of course I can't find any useful articles at the moment to link to, but it's something I know to be true.
Well I don't think it's as simple as only making them look like candy.
I could bore you to death with the story of how I started smoking late in life via cloves but will just say that the flavor, and in my case the scent(always loved the smell when going out to the clubs) was indeed the seguey for a lifelong customer who wouldn't normally smoke due to the bad taste of regular cigarettes for a first timer.

If it smells good,tastes good, and you're one of those that's subject to going w/the flock when young I can totally see why flavoreds are a bad thing.

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I smoked for over 40 years and have never heard of a clove cigarette.....
I hadn't ever heard of one either until about the early 90's.

In Michigan they can be found at some gas stations but certainly "smoke shops", well been awhile since i've been in a smoke shop so can't say if they're still around except for seeing an empty Djarum pack in a parking lot.

They're the sort of thing, like incense, that you either love or hate the smell of, and at my worst I found them to be like smoking chocolate...and they were always more expensive in the day vs. regular cigarettes.

Very popular in the industrial & goth clubs.
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Well I don't think it's as simple as only making them look like candy.
I could bore you to death with the story of how I started smoking late in life via cloves but will just say that the flavor, and in my case the scent(always loved the smell when going out to the clubs) was indeed the seguey for a lifelong customer who wouldn't normally smoke due to the bad taste of regular cigarettes for a first timer.

If it smells good,tastes good, and you're one of those that's subject to going w/the flock when young I can totally see why flavoreds are a bad thing.


I hadn't ever heard of one either until about the early 90's.

In Michigan they can be found at some gas stations but certainly "smoke shops", well been awhile since i've been in a smoke shop so can't say if they're still around except for seeing an empty Djarum pack in a parking lot.

They're the sort of thing, like incense, that you either love or hate the smell of, and at my worst I found them to be like smoking chocolate...and they were always more expensive in the day vs. regular cigarettes.

Very popular in the industrial & goth clubs.
Not "look like candy" but "view them as more palatable" is I guess a better clarification. I don't know; I had "bad friends" in high school who smoked (Newports. I can still recognize the smell) and I never got into it. My fiance occasionally smoked cloves when they were still buyable, and I tried a drag or two of those over the years and seriously didn't like them either. Neither of them tasted good at all. Cloves, though, I wish I had a pack of them just to smell. I wouldn't even light them.
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Not "look like candy" but "view them as more palatable" is I guess a better clarification. I don't know; I had "bad friends" in high school who smoked (Newports. I can still recognize the smell) and I never got into it. My fiance occasionally smoked cloves when they were still buyable, and I tried a drag or two of those over the years and seriously didn't like them either. Neither of them tasted good at all. Cloves, though, I wish I had a pack of them just to smell. I wouldn't even light them.
LOL that's how I started smoking them, didn't even inhale at first. I found the smell soothing.

Thanks Darkevs, just wow that anyone would think cloves healthy. LOL
Now I'm going to scope out if there are djarums left anywhere, tho I've long lost the taste for them, can't imagine never smelling them again when out and about. :/
And I do recall the sweet taste @the end of the paper said to have been sprayed w/sweetner.
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As a through and through Djarum Black smoker all I can tell you is good luck. The "cloves" sold today are now cigars, they come in a pack of 12 and have a tobacco wrapper, they taste like crap and really cash your lungs out. You can try importing the real deal, but thanks to Herb Kohl that's now illegal, passed under the guise of preventing terrorism. The ban took effect in the US in 2009, thanks obama. I cant wait for the FDA to get rid of Menthol, after all it too is a flavor.
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As a through and through Djarum Black smoker all I can tell you is good luck. The "cloves" sold today are now cigars, they come in a pack of 12 and have a tobacco wrapper, they taste like crap and really cash your lungs out. You can try importing the real deal, but thanks to Herb Kohl that's now illegal, passed under the guise of preventing terrorism. The ban took effect in the US in 2009, thanks obama. I cant wait for the FDA to get rid of Menthol, after all it too is a flavor.
There are a lot of odd things about the Patriot act that don't occur to people until they run into a wall.
Like trying to buy merchandise from companies that are overseas w/a gift debit card(<-these things are practically useless and a racket). You can just as well thank Bushco for that.

That said it was the tobacco companies here that pushed for the ban on cloves, per the article anyway- which I don't doubt since profits have had to taken a hit so they must be scraping every avenue to keep profits to themselves.
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There are a lot of odd things about the Patriot act that don't occur to people until they run into a wall.
Like trying to buy merchandise from companies that are overseas w/a gift debit card(<-these things are practically useless and a racket). You can just as well thank Bushco for that.

That said it was the tobacco companies here that pushed for the ban on cloves, per the article anyway- which I don't doubt since profits have had to taken a hit so they must be scraping every avenue to keep profits to themselves.
(point 1) Mail ordering of tobacco was outlawed under the PACT (Prevent All Cigarette Trafficing) Act I do not believe it has anyting to do with the Patriot Act. It was sponsored by Herb Kohl signed by Obama, Dubya was well out of the picture by then.


(point 2) You are correct, Phillip Morris actually wrote the Tobacco Prevention Act that outlawed cloves and other flavored cigarettes. I find their need to do so pointless, given that flavored cigarettes accounted for less than 1% of cigarettes sold. Additionally, Phillip Morris bought the Semporena Kretek company back in like 05-06, instead of expanding on the line to compete in the flavored industry they discountinued importing them to the US.
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It's strange because I've seen boxes of cloves at the liquor store I go to.. they must be the "cigar" versions and just have a box that look like the old ones.
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Are you guys talking about cloves as in the spice?

You can buy all kinds of flavoured Tobacco here in Spain as they have an enclave in Morocco where flavoured stuff is very popular still.

Personally being a non smoker I cannot imagine any cigerette or cigar would taste that nice no matter what you put into it.
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I didn't read all the posts cause I'm short on time, but I smoked exclusively Djarium blacks for about 5 years. They aren't "banned" per say, they just can't be labeled as cigarettes anymore. Now they are categorized as "flavored cigars". They also cannot be sold in packs of 20, as that is too similar to cigarettes. They are sold in packs of 12. You can still buy them from most tobacco retailers (excluding a lot of gas stations), around here they are about $5/pack after tax. Hope that helps!
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I didn't read all the posts cause I'm short on time, but I smoked exclusively Djarium blacks for about 5 years. They aren't "banned" per say, they just can't be labeled as cigarettes anymore. Now they are categorized as "flavored cigars". They also cannot be sold in packs of 20, as that is too similar to cigarettes. They are sold in packs of 12. You can still buy them from most tobacco retailers (excluding a lot of gas stations), around here they are about $5/pack after tax. Hope that helps!
My understanding (and again, this isn't my own palate talking, as I'm not a smoker) is that those are not cigarettes, but actually cigars (cigarillos, since they're small?) and do taste rather different from the original clove cigarettes. They certainly don't smell the same
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Yah, "cigarellos" is what they are called now. Slightly different shape but you can still get them. I was under the impression from my clove-smoking friends that they did taste and smell the same?

I can't really say - I've never smoked and I don't go out to goth nights anymore so I'm not around it. I did always appreciate how they were not nearly as rough on my sinuses as regular cigarette smoke though.
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Sorry, I meant to say that they "did not" taste the same.
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Sorry, I meant to say that they "did not" taste the same.
Correct. It's hard to describe but they taste very different, the natural wrapper changes the body of the smoke dramatically. Interestingly enough Blacks are blended differently for the country they are being sold in, usually due to health restrictions (tar levels). The Indonesian Blacks are sweeter in flavor than the Blacks that were sold in the US, the Australian Blacks taste like the Super Smooth Blacks that were sold in the US prior to the ban.
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