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Old 02-09-2012, 02:17 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Discussion question: Racism and Purebred Dogs

It has recently been brought to my attention by someone very famous for their photography in our local rescue community that I am a racist and support white supremacy(their actual words) due to the fact that I own and have a preference for purebred dogs and support ethical breeders, despite the fact that I also have nothing against mixed breeds and have saved more than I can count so far with my volunteer work in rescue.

This all stemmed from a beautiful photo that I shared of Fifi the Doberman. I am just curious what your thoughts are on the subject, I thought it was some pretty hefty and wrongful allegations on their part and they have tried tarnishing my name due to my personal preference.
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Old 02-09-2012, 02:21 PM   #2 (permalink)
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That is pretty extreme.

Am I racist because the man I'm dating is white? I find my white bf attractive, but that doesn't mean that I find all men of another color unattractive.

People get so emotional over stuff like this...I would just write her off as another crazy.
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I think that person has a problem. Ignore him/her.

When I told a (white) friend that I had adopted a Doberman from the shelter, she said she would never want a dog that was bred to kill. Of course, she didn't call me a Nazi, but that's probably what she was thinking...but I am not white. People are weird. Just ignore them.
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Extreme..radical...words I would definitely use to describe it. Almost reminds me of a PETA mentality.
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That is pretty extreme.

Am I racist because the man I'm dating is white? I find my white bf attractive, but that doesn't mean that I find all men of another color unattractive.

People get so emotional over stuff like this...I would just write her off as another crazy.
So... this is basically what I was going to say.

You have to question the validity somebody throwing out words and insults like that when they're equally or even more closed-minded.
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It's unfortunately hard to ignore this person as they have built up an extreme presence in the rescue community through their photography and they know EVERYONE and their mom when it comes to dog rescue..which I am a big part of here. I just thought it was so ridiculous..just wondered if other purebred dog fanciers have been treated the same.
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Sounds stupid to me. Just because I have a mutt doesn't mean I'm any "better" than someone, or that I don't have any predjudices. I do try to keep them to a minimum, but sorry, I'm human. There is nothing wrong with buying a purebred dog from an ethical breeder.
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My boss didn't go so far to call me a racist or a cruel person but I got a few snide remarks and many looks about Dreizehn's ears.

A few of the girls I work with have made comments when they thought I couldn't here about how they'd never pay more than $200 for a dog (which is usually followed by, "unless I was wanting to show it" once they discovered my proximity.
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Yes, I was told I was killing shelter dogs by buying a show dog. I had to point out that I actually do sports with my dogs, and a dog with proper conformation holds up to the rigors of training and competing that we all enjoy participating in.

My rescue boy had to retire way too early due to lameness issues because of his bad conformation. He could stay sound if he only went to shows, but I could not train him very often- even retrieving gloves with that rollback turn made him sore. He's in a perfect world now: He does little heeling sessions and gets lots of treats for doing nothing when the other 2 train!

Considering the person who told me this has very expensive race bikes- I made the comparison to them of their attempting their next big road race with a bike they acquired from Craigs List, or the Goodwill. How well could they compete with a heavy bike, wrong tires, etc. I have no idea if this worked...we no longer speak to each other!
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Of course this person is extreme anti-crop as well. Her ex photography assistant actually told me she wishes I could get my arms and legs cut off brutally so I'd know how my dog feels. This was said of course after they took my money and photographed my dog.
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Goes along with how I feel about cropping. "Is your boyfriend circumcised? Yeah, personal preference, bro."


That's just a tad extreme.
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ellen, that is a great point and something they don't care to think about.
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I can't stand militant rescue folk. Yes rescues can be great, but is it so bad to just want a puppy from a known background of good health, temperament and conformation? I don't think there is anything wrong with wanting specific traits in a dog you are going to spend the next 10-15 years living with. When I was looking for a dog, I specifically wanted smallish-medium size, short coat, no existing health problems, high drive but good with cats/rabbits, not particularly difficult to train, nice in the house and I like a dog that I think is attractive (how shallow of me), I was watching rescue pages for months, and the only dog that came through and fit the bill in months was unfortunately not good with cats, terrible with rabbits, had a very sensitive stomach and to be honest was not really that clever. I got lucky and found Elsie who ticks every box for me, but sometimes people really do need a purebred dog from a good breeder- there is nothing wrong with wanting predictability in health, temperament and conformation.

I'm not sure what Elsie counts as though! She's from a BYB accident litter (from working dogs at least), but I didn't pay anything for her... Quite the grey area... Here's hoping that having a background of dogs selected for working means her body will stand up to the rigours of sport... Something you can never be sure of with any dog, but less so with a dog of unknown origin.
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Haha, what hogwash.

I've had a few people take stabs at me for not rescuing. I do admit my past mistakes on buying from BYBs, but I do not regret any decision on buying from a reputable breeder. It's not the reputable breeders who are causing all these dogs in the shelter. That being said, my next dog will either be from a shelter, or a reputable breeder.
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I know EXACTLY who you are talking about. Not sure when said person made cropping comments. However, said person has recently been educated (late last year) on cropping, the process, the why and while I know they still aren't for it and absolutely don't like it, they keep their comments to themselves (or just don't include me in those posts!)

And this is the problem I have with the rescue community in our area. I've got 2 rescue dogs, one a mix even--from BARC of all places, am the foster coordinator for a local rescue group and handle all incoming adoption apps, home visit scheduling, etc. But if I purchased a dog from a reputable breeder, you bet your @$$ they'd turn that in to a field day. Somehow I'd be not doing right by rescue even though I'm critically involved in the success of one local rescue group.

Too many rescue groups/people beat each other into the ground and then who is out there rescuing dogs? Every day I run into a situation where I wish a person would take that passion for rescue that they have and use it in more positive ways.
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Too many rescue groups/people beat each other into the ground and then who is out there rescuing dogs? Every day I run into a situation where I wish a person would take that passion for rescue that they have and use it in more positive ways.
VERY well said. That's my #1 peev in the rescue community.
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Dobie, I have seen her snide remarks to you about your cropped rescue pup. I got the underlying tone, at least. A friend of hers said that they are "the cleanup crew for people like me."

What in the hell?? A few weeks ago I saved two sarcoptic mange ridden puppies from death at a shelter in a city 4 hours away, not long before that I spent my day off saving a dog that was abandoned at a foreclosure house. I'm seriously thinking there is a mental disorder running rampant amongst these militant rescue people.
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Also, while I have heard through the rumor mill that such a comment was made...can you clarify?

The reason I ask is that said person does a lot of work for MANY pure breed rescue groups..mine included.

So, I'm wondering if this was an attack based on your preference for pure breeds or the fact that said person is unhappy about your purchase of a dog?

Please don't think I'm siding with any one, but hopefully you'll catch the gist of where I'm going with this.
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Dobie, I have seen her snide remarks to you about your cropped rescue pup. I got the underlying tone, at least.
You are correct. That did, indeed, happen. This was part of the "educating" I mentioned in a previous post. And then another session when said person did an event. I'm ok with someone not liking it, but I don't need to be harped on about it if I do. And I think said person and I came to an understanding of that.

Further, same person needed a Dobe for a local mag and who did said person call? Me. Because the mag wanted a cropped dog. Talk about some effin irony there!
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It was an attack on liking purebred dogs and supporting ethical breeders of said dogs. I've never hid the fact that I purchased from a breeder and I have known this photographer since before she even started the rescue photo sessions or anyone knew her in the community like they do now. She knew my dobe was from a breeder when I set up a photo session for him, but didn't give me any beef. A photo of him was even included in her photo mural at BARC.

Purebred rescue groups are what made her famous. It all started with the lone star shih-tzu rescue.
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Q: Why does the Polish airlines only have seats on the left side of the plane?

A: Because Poles in the right-half plane cause instability!

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Honestly, I think the best track to take with someone who tries to belittle you for owning purebred dogs is to point out all that reputable breeders to PREVENT their dogs from ending up in rescues or shelters - reputable breeders aren't part of the problem, but there are some people involved with dog rescue who haven't ever met a reputable breeder. When you say breeder, they think BYB because they've not seen anything else.
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Total irony!

Btw it was after I was educating another person who asked about cropping on a photo she posted from the dobie rescue session that I got ripped a new one by her assistant. There have been multiple discussions about the difference between ethical breeding and backyard greeters between her and I but she closes her ears and calls "BS" to any kind of breeding so I stopped wasting my breath. A few educated others will try to explain the differences but she and her militant minions rip them apart.
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