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Smoking Marijuana Doubles Risk of Fatal Accidents

"Any guess as to why"......didn't look hard enough??

Kevin, like I said before, go and smoke weed until you puke. I don't care. Just when you do, do the rest of society a favor and stay off the roads.
I don't believe I have said I smoked weed, don't assume, and don't assume I drive while intoxicated And you're right, guess I didn't look hard enough. Just did a quick google search, didn't see anything like that.

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THE MEDICAL DANGERS OF MARIJUANA USE

Like I said there are studies on both ends of it. Believe the side you want.
lol, that's some study. Taken from this study:

The main respiratory consequences of smoking marijuana regularly (one joint a day) are pulmonary infections and respiratory cancer, whose connection to marijuana use has been strongly suggested but not conclusively proven.

So doesn't this mean that the MAIN CONSEQUENCE in a healthy individual can not be proven? Isn't the rest of the article talking about things that by the author's admission, can't be proven? Doesn't that make the rest of the study moot?

Can you find someone who had died from cancer from marijuana? Overdosed? Anything like that?

I don't want to see things like "It may accelerate the sickness of someone who is already dying of certain diseases, but we're not exactly sure".

Show me someone who died of cancer because they smoked weed.
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I think it goes back to the articles you posted about the testicular cancer thingy... Most of these reports are speculation, estimates, scare tactics, and the like. Another clip from this article lol:

Marijuana smoke and cigarette smoke contain many of the same toxins, including one which has been identified as a key factor in the promotion of lung cancer. This toxin is found in the tar phase of both, and it should be noted that one joint has four times more tar than a cigarette, which means that the lungs are exposed four-fold to this toxin and others in the tar. It has been concretely established that smoking cigarettes promotes lung cancer (which causes more than 125,000 deaths in the US every year), chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (chronic bronchitis and emphysema) and increased incidence of respiratory tract infections. This implies, but does not establish, that smoking marijuana may lead to some of the same results as smoking cigarettes

Please... If it did, they would say it did. it doesn't, so they can't say "it does". This is what I'm saying... what kind of facts are these? I don't consider these to be anti-marijuana facts.

I'm not interested in what it CAN do to someone who is already terminally ill with no hope of surviving. Marijuana is not used as a cure in these situations, it is used to help the pain, make life more comfortable, and give people a better life for what they have left. It helps people eat who have no appetite from going through chemo. It helps people sleep better. I don't ever remember seeing it saying that it is good for a dying person, or a cure for cancer or the like. But it does help make their day to day living easier, fact. Otherwise, why would they use it if it didn't make them feel better?

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LOL...logic straight out of the tobacco industry handbook. They thumped that bible for awhile. Somewhere out there I bet there's a bunch of white coats working on that.

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Until they (medical community) can state it is completely safe than I would rather fall on the side of discretion. Consider......perhaps the studies weren't conducted long enough, perhaps the kind of marijuana used wasn't like the potent kind available today. Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps.
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I don't get that response. Do you not see the point I'm making with that study you posted? It specifically says that they can't prove what they're saying... In other words, it is nothing but speculation, and what they are calling the MAIN RESPIRATORY PROBLEMS can't be proven, by their own admission...
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See post 554.

If I wanted to spend more time on this worn out subject I'd dig up some other things but as it has been beaten to death I won't belabor my point.

You will always have people pro and con on this.
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Until they (medical community) can state it is completely safe than I would rather fall on the side of discretion. Consider......perhaps the studies weren't conducted long enough, perhaps the kind of marijuana used wasn't like the potent kind available today. Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps.
let's be honest.... it's almost 2013. If something is bad, especially something that has been around since the beginning of mankind, don't you think we would know by now that it's bad? Wouldn't ONE person get cancer from marijuana, if it CAN cause it? Wouldn't ONE person overdose? If there was a way to prove these theories, wouldn't the anti-marijuana crew be saying more than "This is what we think, unfortunately we can't prove it". They would be all over that like white on rice, if it was able to be proven.
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See post 554.

If I wanted to spend more time on this worn out subject I'd dig up some other things but as it has been beaten to death I won't belabor my point.

You will always have people pro and con on this..
They will never, call any drug, illegal or not, perfectly and/or completely safe, because that opens up the possibility of lawsuits. No medications currently available, to the best of my knowledge, (not an expert) are "completely" safe, and most list dozens of possible and/or potential side effects. However, the "generally regarded as safe" drugs many times have deaths attributed as a direct result of taking that drug. THis is why the end of the drug commercials list 500 things that may or may not happen.

And I agree, you WILL always see pro and con. At this point though, the "con" is based on nothing more than speculation.
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Like I said earlier in this thread, and in private message, I'm not trying to sway your opinion on whether or not YOU should agree to like pot, or think it's a good idea, or anything. We're talking about whether or not it should be legal, or remain illegal. Not whether or not personally, we support the decision. And the legality of something needs to be based on facts.
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And I agree, you WILL always see pro and con. At this point though, the "con" is based on nothing more than speculation.
That's your opinion based on........your opinion.
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That's your opinion based on........your opinion.
my mind is blown, I have nothing further to contribute...
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so far i am still healthy, knock on wood..........

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want to study me?

so far i am still healthy, knock on wood..........

Any takers?? Oh c'mon. Somebody......anybody.....
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oh well...nobody cares.......boo freakin' Hoo. hahahah

lost your chance.

now.

I am going to study.................all of you.

if any of you start to feel a little warm in a spot or too..............it will be cause I have my magnifying glass on.................... you. heehee

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such a lovely day too...............

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I'll come Study you!! Sounds like everything I like, if I'm not mistaken you live out in the woods or something right? That's exactly me speed lol
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While taking his medical marijuana crop to market, Winston had a small mishap.
However, since it was taxifornia, he was given a ticket for littering and sent on his way.



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It seems in the past few months, more and more people are stepping up to speak up about why marijuana should not be ilegal. These links were taken from the first page of the norml website. I would tend to think at this point, it's only a matter of time. Several additional states are putting plans together for congress to deciminalize, regulate, and tax the sale of marijuana.

Study: No Association Between The Cumulative Consumption Of Cannabis Smoke And The Risk Of Lung Cancer | NORML Blog, Marijuana Law Reform

http://blog.norml.org/2013/05/15/stu...pe-2-diabetes/

http://blog.norml.org/2013/05/13/stu...ohns-symptoms/

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The arguments for keeping marijuana illegal are identical to those for tobacco and alcohol. All of them are dumb.

As Joe Rogan has said, "It's a bizarre thing when you outlaw nature."

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Someone is growing a load of plants on the mountain where I live (not on my land). I don't know who it is but I feel pretty sure they don't actually own the land they're on. A couple of guys died recently and no one is tending the land which leaves it open to such abuse.
Now I really don't care if someone wants to addle their brain by smoking this stuff. But I do care when they grow it near me and mine. The police are stuuuupid as flip here as well as racist and fact is they will not be bothered to look for the TRUE culprits behind the growing but like as not try and blame the foreigners for it all. Don't you know locals don't do this sort of thing, yeah right. Anyhow, I was just wondering what you guys would do in my position.
Turn a blind eye and hope the police don't spot the plants when next they fly over in their nice little helicopter. Or pull them up / spray them with something so they die?
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Someone is growing a load of plants on the mountain where I live (not on my land). I don't know who it is but I feel pretty sure they don't actually own the land they're on. A couple of guys died recently and no one is tending the land which leaves it open to such abuse.
Now I really don't care if someone wants to addle their brain by smoking this stuff. But I do care when they grow it near me and mine. The police are stuuuupid as flip here as well as racist and fact is they will not be bothered to look for the TRUE culprits behind the growing but like as not try and blame the foreigners for it all. Don't you know locals don't do this sort of thing, yeah right. Anyhow, I was just wondering what you guys would do in my position.
Turn a blind eye and hope the police don't spot the plants when next they fly over in their nice little helicopter. Or pull them up / spray them with something so they die?
Do not go anywhere close to those plants. People tend to guard these patches, at least here in the US and would have no qualms about sending a few bullets in your directions. If you cannot call the police yourself, consider calling a reporter. Good luck, stay safe.
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