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dobermansrule · 01-07-2013, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by VZ-Doberman

Certainly beats the expense and time consuming formality of a trial.

indeed.

GRAYGHOST · 01-07-2013, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by falnfenix

i can't believe you're equating a product of rape with one of "poor choices."

not that it matters. women have always had the choice to do it, and they will always have that choice. make it illegal due to religious or "moral" beliefs and women will die due to poor care.

since when are women slaves to the parasite growing in their uterus?

An unborn baby is not a parasite; he/she is a developing little person with the same full DNA that he/she will have at birth, and as adult. My children, and grandchildren were never "parasites". That is the sick reasoning of the pro-death movement.

Hitler was pro-choice; it was his choice to murder Jews (men, women, and children), and other "undesirables". I would assume that his victims considered him to be very pro-death.

VZ-Doberman · 01-07-2013, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GRAYGHOST

An unborn baby is not a parasite; he/she is a developing little person with the same full DNA that he/she will have at birth, and as adult. My children, and grandchildren were never "parasites". That is the sick reasoning of the pro-death movement.

Hitler was pro-choice; it was his choice to murder Jews (men, women, and children), and other "undesirables". I would assume that his victims considered him to be very pro-death.

Classic......

Dictator · 01-07-2013, 04:31 PM

Black Ministers Urge Illinois Lawmakers To Vote Down Same-Sex Marriage CBS Chicago

Since this is the Politics Thread

VZ-Doberman · 01-07-2013, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dictator

Black Ministers Urge Illinois Lawmakers To Vote Down Same-Sex Marriage CBS Chicago

Since this is the Politics Thread

You do know Grayghost will take offense to you not following her terms of posting.

Dictator · 01-07-2013, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Thor_Red

I've noticed that none of the pro-lifers is touching on the topic of IVF clinics. Why is nobody bombing or picketing them? They knowingly create surplus embryos that will later be destroyed as bio waste. And they do it by the hundreds of thousands. At least don't have a double standard. If you are against abortions you also need to shut all the IVF clinics down.

An embryo is only 1/2 half of the equation you also need male sperm. After an embryo/embryos are fertilized they are then implanted in the womb. Some survive some do not.

I was told this is the last thing done before implantation until then it is not a viable embryo in the sense that there is going to be a baby.

One of the women that worked for me had IVF it is a long arduous procedure.

**melbrod** · 01-07-2013, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by VZ-Doberman

That was used as an example. Doctors do have the option of performing abortions. The premise is the same.

But legislation is being pushed which will not allow doctors, nurses etc. to REFUSE to do an abortion. I've heard of firings of pharmacists for the same reasons.

And the law still stands. Choice over religious doctrine.

To say that a fetus is not a person, you have to make some assumptions. In spite of the various signs of life a fetus exhibits, in spite of the DNA it shares with other humans, it is called a ? There is no evidence which proves that the fetus is not a human life, except the worn out "can't live on its own". I would call it an ethical matter, not a religious one.
Slaves were sorta considered half people too, once. And ethical folks who refused to believe that stood up, tried to change the laws, even fought a war over it.

People are entitled to their opinions, they are not entitled to dictating how others should live their lives.

You are dictating how the babies live...uh...die before they even have lives.

I'm not in favor of IVF either.

TheStig · 01-07-2013, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by River

So Ron Paul is the magic pill that will somehow fix all our problems? He could somehow wave a magic wand and make the Senate, Congress, and the office of the President actually get along, work together, and be willing to compromise? He's the.... dare I say it... messiah?

I had no idea. My mind is blown.

Not blown, just maybe clogged a bit.

Ron Paul is not an answer, he is a start of change. Ron Paul is not a puppet like the past 10+ presidents were.

The change is in the people...you and I and all of our fellow 'mericans.

The people who don't like RP, are the ones who stand to lose something...you know, like their welfare checks, etc.

You obviously have no idea how corrupt the government actually is...making fun of the one man who has said for decades now that it needed to be changed.

I mean, just burn it all down and start over I say...

You know a good chunk of people working for the government now, have previous experience working for big banks, lenders, wall street pigs...that have all been charged with and paid fines for some type of fraud.

They are good at extorting money out of you without you knowing it...and our government hired some of them.

Go watch Michael Moores 'Capitalism...a love story'

You might not like the man, but the evidence he presents is...dare I say...mind blowing.

VZ-Doberman · 01-07-2013, 06:07 PM

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You are dictating how the babies live...uh...die before they even have lives.

I'm not in favor of IVF either.

I'm not dictating anything. I am an advocate of choice.

I'm in favor of giving a couple the choice of their reproductive methods.

Thor_Red · 01-07-2013, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dictator

An embryo is only 1/2 half of the equation you also need male sperm. After an embryo/embryos are fertilized they are then implanted in the womb. Some survive some do not.

I was told this is the last thing done before implantation until then it is not a viable embryo in the sense that there is going to be a baby.

One of the women that worked for me had IVF it is a long arduous procedure.

You are confusing embryo with egg. Eggs get fertilized by male sperm. A few get implanted back at a time. But to reduce the risk of multiples birth (see octamom) not too many. Often the first try doesn't work and additional fertilized eggs from the produced batch are implanted. However, often many more eggs are fertilized than are used when all is said and done. Those in turn are then either frozen indefinitely slowly degrading while incurring a hefty fee for such storage, are donated for stem cell research or in most cases are discarded as bio waste. Very rarely are those fertilized eggs adopted and implanted into somebody unrelated. For example at the time President Bush utilized his veto against using some of those fertilized eggs which are otherwise simply destroyed for stem cell research with the justification that sometimes they get adopted, 400,000 fertilized eggs in the US alone were getting ready to be discarded. Of the 400,000 only 128 were adopted. So yes, according to how some pro lifers define when life beings, those surplus fertilized eggs that get destroyed as a matter of course in IVF are theoretically unborn children.

falnfenix · 01-07-2013, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GRAYGHOST

An unborn baby is not a parasite; he/she is a developing little person with the same full DNA that he/she will have at birth, and as adult. My children, and grandchildren were never "parasites". That is the sick reasoning of the pro-death movement.

Hitler was pro-choice; it was his choice to murder Jews (men, women, and children), and other "undesirables". I would assume that his victims considered him to be very pro-death.

Godwin's law alert!

research eugenics. he wasn't the first person to come up with the idea.

and yes, it is a parasitic organism according to science.

falnfenix · 01-07-2013, 07:33 PM

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Well I know I will get flamed for this old fashioned concept but how about people practice some self control? When did personal responsibility get thrown out the window? And another old fashioned very unpopular concept....what if, just what if sex was kept in the confines of marriage babies were actually born into families? There would be no need for a system.

My husband and I have three biological children. I am a huge advocate for adoption and caring for orphans and we plan on adopting in the future. I also have many friends who have adopted within the states and internationally as well. One friend currently has adopted two from China, one from Kenya and are currently working on a Hatian adoption. My sister in law has adopted 5 children within the US, all with special needs. Her second adoption was a 5 year old boy who is now 15 and suffers from attachment disorder. He is unable to bond with people and detaches himself from any feeling associated toward people. After 10 years of counseling and intense therapy he still becomes violent and is unsafe to live with. He is well on his way to becoming a full blown sociopath who will most likely eventually hurt or kill someone before he will be able to receive the help and care he needs. Adopting older children out of the system is often not for the faint of heart and sadly often times their needs are beyond our ability to meet.

you missed my comment earlier about not planning on having children, i take it?

you're suggesting i NOT have sex with my partner simply because we don't want children. birth control - ANY kind of birth control - is NEVER 100%. we have no intention of bringing a potential pregnancy to term and no doctor will sterilize me. what miraculous answer do you have for me?