The Politics Thread...

[River]

Originally Posted by GRAYGHOST

There is plenty of access to birth control; it just should not be paid for by taxpayers. Pharmacists should should have the right not to dispense birth control pills (like the 'morning after' pill which kills the fertalized egg) if it against his/her beliefs. These are usually independent pharmacies, so what gives some big government flunkie the right to tell them what to do?

Except that birth control is used to treat medical conditions in addition to preventing pregnancies. In those cases, it's a medical requirement, and you can't ban someone from getting a medical treatment based on your personal beliefs. But that happens. And if the only pharmacy in town refuses you, and you lack the means to get to the next town over, you're stuck. For folks in small towns, where the nearest major city is too far away for them to get to, access to birth control is often a problem.

We have it better than we think, those of us who live in larger metro areas. Sure, there's a lot of downsides, but if I run into a pharmacist who refuses to dispense birth control, I can go somewhere else. That is not true for women everywhere.

And there is a difference between the morning after pill and birth control. That is not birth control. That is a way to prevent a pregnancy after having had sex, and is often used after a woman is raped, if she doesn't want to carry her attacker's baby. Nothing wrong with that.

Also, if you're allowing your personal beliefs to dictate patient care, you belong in another profession. That includes pharmacists. You cannot deny patients access to their medications. Some professions require you to check your personal opinions at the door, health care is one of them.

[falnfenix]

Originally Posted by GRAYGHOST

There is plenty of access to birth control; it just should not be paid for by taxpayers. Pharmacists should should have the right not to dispense birth control pills (like the 'morning after' pill which kills the fertalized egg) if it against his/her beliefs. These are usually independent pharmacies, so what gives some big government flunkie the right to tell them what to do?

actually, it doesn't kill anything. it PREVENTS pregnancy. a pregnancy happens ONLY if an egg is fertilized AND it implants in the uterus. this prevents the implantation from happening.

please, get your facts correct before spewing misinformation. this is the biggest problem with every "hot button" issue currently affecting the voting public...people like to spew a lot of misinformation and they tend to vote with their emotions rather than logic.

use logic. it works better than emotions.

[Beaumont67]

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[PJH]

Originally Posted by falnfenix

actually, it doesn't kill anything. it PREVENTS pregnancy. a pregnancy happens ONLY if an egg is fertilized AND it implants in the uterus. this prevents the implantation from happening.

please, get your facts correct before spewing misinformation. this is the biggest problem with every "hot button" issue currently affecting the voting public...people like to spew a lot of misinformation and they tend to vote with their emotions rather than logic.

use logic. it works better than emotions.

For those who believe that life begins at conception, preventing implantation of a fertilized egg IS considered an early abortion. I have been shocked as I have researched and found that all forms of birth control have the potential to allow fertilization yet prevent that life from forming in the womb.


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[Sherryh]

In America if you're insured which means you're covered by insurance birth control is covered...........if you're medicaid which means you don't have the means to pay for your birth control it is covered. All grayghost was saying is it's covered...........if you're homeless we have programs for that and it's probably covered. This thread has went in many directions if you want more birth control pills go pay for it yourself...

[Rosemary]

Well, if you consider yourself Christian, and believe that God controls everything, and that life begins at conception, then God would be the largest abortion provider in the world. How many pregnancies end in a miscarriage? I know one of mine did, and there is a possibility that I also had another, very early miscarriage. Does that mean that I, and every other woman woman who has miscarried (including my mother and neice), has "killed" their babies?

[VZ-Doberman]

Originally Posted by Sherryh

In America if you're insured which means you're covered by insurance birth control is covered...........if you're medicaid which means you don't have the means to pay for your birth control it is covered. All grayghost was saying is it's covered...........if you're homeless we have programs for that and it's probably covered. This thread has went in many directions if you want more birth control pills go pay for it yourself...

Paying for birth control is only part of the issue. The other part is that there are places in this country where birth control is restricted (parents signature required, pharmacies/pharmacists refusing to dispense it, govt funding cut for some of those programs you refer to).

[Odin's_Master]

Originally Posted by Rosemary

Well, if you consider yourself Christian, and believe that God controls everything, and that life begins at conception, then God would be the largest abortion provider in the world. How many pregnancies end in a miscarriage? I know one of mine did, and there is a possibility that I also had another, very early miscarriage. Does that mean that I, and every other woman woman who has miscarried (including my mother and neice), has "killed" their babies?

An abortion is a conscious choice to terminate the life that is growing in the womb. A miscarriage is not a choice. It just unfortunately happens. And it is usually mourned as a loss of a life, not the loss of "a cluster of cells that were multiplying and developing inside of a woman's womb". I don't think the matter of abortion even needs to be a religious debate. It can be brought to that of course. But it is ultimately the debate of when a life "starts".

And all sorts of bad,sad,evil things happen in this world. If you don't believe in God then it is hard to understand, but the reason Christians can understand the evil and bad in this world, is that because God does control everything. But that is a whole other discussion, that isn't at all political

[VZ-Doberman]

Originally Posted by Odin's_Master

And all sorts of bad,sad,evil things happen in this world. If you don't believe in God then it is hard to understand, but the reason Christians can understand the evil and bad in this world, is that because God does control everything. But that is a whole other discussion, that isn't at all political

And there it is......if you don't believe in your diety then you'll have a difficult time understanding about good and bad.

[falnfenix]

Originally Posted by Odin's_Master

An abortion is a conscious choice to terminate the life that is growing in the womb. A miscarriage is not a choice. It just unfortunately happens. And it is usually mourned as a loss of a life, not the loss of "a cluster of cells that were multiplying and developing inside of a woman's womb". I don't think the matter of abortion even needs to be a religious debate. It can be brought to that of course. But it is ultimately the debate of when a life "starts".

And all sorts of bad,sad,evil things happen in this world. If you don't believe in God then it is hard to understand, but the reason Christians can understand the evil and bad in this world, is that because God does control everything. But that is a whole other discussion, that isn't at all political

so you're saying your preferred deity is a murderer. gotcha.

[Sherryh]

Originally Posted by VZ-Doberman

Paying for birth control is only part of the issue. The other part is that there are places in this country where birth control is restricted (parents signature required, pharmacies/pharmacists refusing to dispense it, govt funding cut for some of those programs you refer to).

I don't see this administration cutting any funds for birth control........or any special needs for women. If the child is not 18 or 21 they should have a parent signature.

[greenkouki]

Originally Posted by melbrod

I knew a girl who allowed herself to become pregnant three time, hoping each time that her boyfriend would marry her. When he refused--abortion time.

Whim abortions are more common than you think. And if we keep pushing that an abortion is OK, and that the pregnant women is just dealing with a lump of tissue, women will be having abortions not just based on a whim, but because they see nothing morally wrong with one. No big deal.

These are definitely the kind of people we want producing a future generation...

[melbrod]

The question is whether or not she would have even tried this trick if she had no access to abortion--if she had known that she would be stuck with a baby to raise all by herself if her blackmail didn't work.

[TheStig]

I don't know what any of this is about...I'm late to the dinner table, as usual.

But...

Those of you (insert snide remark here), that didn't either vote for, or write in Ron Paul for this past election...

Slap yourself

I live in a state that won't accept write ins if the candidate lost in the primaries, but I wrote him in anyways, with a big red sharpie. I wrote Ron Paul or suck it!

People who don't work a regular job and are on any type of government support, should not be allowed to vote, unless they are or were a service member and became disabled due to that service.

Oh, and people who (when turning around in a median) cut short and drive right into oncoming traffics right of way shouldn't be allowed to vote either...no stupid people voting.

[CalamitysHuckleberry]

Originally Posted by melbrod

The question is whether or not she would have even tried this trick if she had no access to abortion--if she had known that she would be stuck with a baby to raise all by herself if her blackmail didn't work.

Or she killed herself trying to self-abort or caused significant damage to the baby.

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[falnfenix]

Originally Posted by TheStig

I don't know what any of this is about...I'm late to the dinner table, as usual.

But...

Those of you (insert snide remark here), that didn't either vote for, or write in Ron Paul for this past election...

Slap yourself

I live in a state that won't accept write ins if the candidate lost in the primaries, but I wrote him in anyways, with a big red sharpie. I wrote Ron Paul or suck it!

People who don't work a regular job and are on any type of government support, should not be allowed to vote, unless they are or were a service member and became disabled due to that service.

Oh, and people who (when turning around in a median) cut short and drive right into oncoming traffics right of way shouldn't be allowed to vote either...no stupid people voting.

i didn't vote for the moonbat. voted for Gary Johnson. not that any candidate BUT Obama had a prayer of winning.

[VZ-Doberman]

Originally Posted by Sherryh

I don't see this administration cutting any funds for birth control........or any special needs for women. If the child is not 18 or 21 they should have a parent signature.

Planned Parenthood had taken a funding hit.

There are parents who won't allow a young woman to make a choice on birth control. Because the don't "believe" in it they foist that opinion on another. w

Young men/women have sex. At the very least they should have access to birth control and sex education.

[TheStig]

Originally Posted by falnfenix

i didn't vote for the moonbat. voted for Gary Johnson. not that any candidate BUT Obama had a prayer of winning.

Johnson was the closest thing to RP on the ballot, but Johnson has no pull with the people.

With that said, you may avert the slapping and instead give yourself a light love tap on the shoulder.

Define oppression for the new age: How the media and government shut RP down, for fear of what he will bring to the table...actual change. RP is not a puppet working for the wealthy like the last several sets of presidents.

RP demolishes everyone he competes against in speaking, terms of change and anything related to the political agenda the nation needs.

'Merica is doomed without him. Enjoy it while it lasts.

[falnfenix]

Johnson had a far smaller dose of the crazy.

[Sherryh]

Originally Posted by VZ-Doberman

Planned Parenthood had taken a funding hit.

There are parents who won't allow a young woman to make a choice on birth control. Because the don't "believe" in it they foist that opinion on another. w

Young men/women have sex. At the very least they should have access to birth control and sex education.

Planned Parenthood did take a hit after Race for the cure pulled their plug. Men and women have sex that's how I was born I'm sorry to report the morales and education of this country went out the window. We had sex education when I was in school over 30 years ago..I don't think it's helped .......there are so many families without children that would have given their right arm for a child. Adoption would have been a wonderful thought!!

[VZ-Doberman]

Sex education like everything else needs to adapt to fit our times. We didn't have sex ed when I was in school.

[GRAYGHOST]

Originally Posted by VZ-Doberman

Planned Parenthood had taken a funding hit.

Good; They should not receive taxpayer money. The murder of the unborn is their largest source of income. Interesting fact: most of their abortion clinics are in/ near minority neighborhoods. Just trying to carry out their founder's, Margaret Singer(sp.?), belief in eugentics(sp.?)?

[GRAYGHOST]

Originally Posted by TheStig

Johnson was the closest thing to RP on the ballot, but Johnson has no pull with the people.

With that said, you may avert the slapping and instead give yourself a light love tap on the shoulder.

Define oppression for the new age: How the media and government shut RP down, for fear of what he will bring to the table...actual change. RP is not a puppet working for the wealthy like the last several sets of presidents.

RP demolishes everyone he competes against in speaking, terms of change and anything related to the political agenda the nation needs.

'Merica is doomed without him. Enjoy it while it lasts.

Ron Paul is also pro life. He said no one could deliver as many babies as he did, and be pro abortion.

[VZ-Doberman]

Originally Posted by GRAYGHOST

Good; They should not receive taxpayer money. The murder of the unborn is their largest source of income. Interesting fact: most of their abortion clinics are in/ near minority neighborhoods. Just trying to carry out their founder's, Margaret Singer(sp.?), belief in eugentics(sp.?)?

Planned Parenthood provides services to any and all who ask. There are many women in the country who cannot afford or have access to birth control, breast exams, tests for gyn. probs., etc.. PP provides many services. And as far as your conspiracy theories.....pfffft.

[VZ-Doberman]

Originally Posted by GRAYGHOST

Ron Paul is also pro life. He said no one could deliver as many babies as he did, and be pro abortion.

See, this is what you don't GET. People are talking about CHOICE. You, on the other hand, can't grasp that. No one is forcing anyone to have an abortion. IT IS A CHOICE A LEGAL CHOICE. You want to take a woman's RIGHT to choose away.