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Old 12-18-2012, 04:19 PM   #3351 (permalink)
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I THINK it's a fictional piece. It's from from a journal called The Blue Review, part of some social commentary/policy think tank at Boise State. The main character is 13, but the ER part of the story doesn't make sense.
I wondered if it was fiction, too.... it's being passed off as real, which doesn't pass my sniff test because what parent would put up with a small child pulling a knife on them? In the piece, the kid goes to a school with a dress code, so I assume it's elementary school of some sort. Thus the conclusion a younger kid.
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Old 12-18-2012, 04:27 PM   #3352 (permalink)
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I wondered if it was fiction, too.... it's being passed off as real, which doesn't pass my sniff test because what parent would put up with a small child pulling a knife on them? In the piece, the kid goes to a school with a dress code, so I assume it's elementary school of some sort. Thus the conclusion a younger kid.
It's an interesting and thought provoking piece, but there are some questionable "facts".

And it sure as hell isnt the personal account of someone on DT
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She blogs as "the Anarchist Soccer Mom", and the post, entitled "Thinking the Unthinkable" first appeared on that blog: Thinking the Unthinkable. I hesitate to declare whether it's fiction or not; I don't believe it was meant to be taken as such.
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so if it's possible the wench did this for publicity, and pulled it off....

beam me up....
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so if it's possible the wench did this for publicity, and pulled it off....

beam me up....
Or, if you take it at face value, she's a parent who's dealing with an undiagnosed child who has erratic and unpredictable outbursts that she hasn't been able to gain adequate help and support with.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other, right?
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Or, a "mostly true" story with some artistic license and a flare for the dramatic? Wait, writers never do that.

Either way I hope she doesn't have guns and haas the child committed to an in patient facility to receive some SERIOUS help. Carrying all knives around in a Tupperware isn't anyway for her, the other kids, or this child to have to live.
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Or, if you take it at face value, she's a parent who's dealing with an undiagnosed child who has erratic and unpredictable outbursts that she hasn't been able to gain adequate help and support with.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other, right?
well, my initial reaction was to take it at face value... but I've grown cynical and suspicious as I've aged....
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Old 12-18-2012, 04:59 PM   #3358 (permalink)
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Or, a "mostly true" story with some artistic license and a flare for the dramatic? Wait, writers never do that.

Either way I hope she doesn't have guns and haas the child committed to an in patient facility to receive some SERIOUS help. Carrying all knives around in a Tupperware isn't anyway for her, the other kids, or this child to have to live.
that household should have the plastic eating ware the airlines have.
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Or, a "mostly true" story with some artistic license and a flare for the dramatic? Wait, writers never do that.

Either way I hope she doesn't have guns and haas the child committed to an in patient facility to receive some SERIOUS help. Carrying all knives around in a Tupperware isn't anyway for her, the other kids, or this child to have to live.
Inpatient facilities are one of those things...insurance fights you, doctors have a hard time believing you if the kid is acting normal at the time, etc. etc. I don't know her personally, of course, but this is a story heard over and over, in "the time I/my son/my daughter went crazy" memoirs. Help is hard to get, even when you're asking for it.

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well, my initial reaction was to take it at face value... but I've grown cynical and suspicious as I've aged....
Yeah, I hear that. Some people will lie like that, which makes it that much harder for those who are telling the truth.
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With respect to the gun control issue have the Politicians considered guns and ammunition being smuggled into the US; drugs are smuggled, exotic animals, etc. This would just be one more item smuggled. Then you have guns that are not registered and untraceable and no way of knowing how many there are.

The term gunrunning comes to mind and it probably won't be law abiding Citizens that have them.
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With respect to the gun control issue have the Politicians considered guns and ammunition being smuggled into the US; drugs are smuggled, exotic animals, etc. This would just be one more item smuggled. Then you have guns that are not registered and untraceable and no way of knowing how many there are.

The term gunrunning comes to mind and it probably won't be law abiding Citizens that have them.
I think that's a given. The criminals and 'authorities' will have the guns.
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I have NO problem with responsible gun ownership...BUT, assault rifles are NOT normal, for regular people.
- and the registered gun owner, needs to keep their arms "lock up", when not in use...common sense falling short lately


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But what IS an assault rifle?


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I have NO problem with responsible gun ownership...BUT, assault rifles are NOT normal, for regular people.
- and the registered gun owner, needs to keep them under "lock", when not in use


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But what IS an assault rifle?
I had a BB gun in grade2, a .177 pump pellet gun in grade4, a .22cal Remington Nylon 66 semi. automatic at 13 y/o and a 12 gauge 870 Wingmaster pump at 15 for duck/goose hunting..and a near perfect score (both written & practical), on Provincial Rifle License (@14).
But what IS an assault rifle? ------> really, NONE OF THE ABOVE !!
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But what IS an assault rifle?
that's already been answered - you are just trying to stir the pot ?

assault rifle is fully automatic - one trigger pull, continuous bang bang bang until you let off the trigger. Very few private citizens have assault rifles/weapons.

Media uses term assault rifle to mean any gun that shoots a lot of bullets.
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that's already been answered - you are just trying to stir the pot ?

assault rifle is fully automatic - one trigger pull, continuous bang bang bang until you let off the trigger. Very few private citizens have assault rifles/weapons.

Media uses term assault rifle to mean any gun that shoots a lot of bullets.
No, trying to point out that we really don't need to ban something that's already illegal.
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I had a BB gun in grade2, a .177 pump pellet gun in grade4, a .22cal Remington Nylon 66 semi. automatic at 13 y/o and a 12 gauge 870 Wingmaster pump at 15 for duck/goose hunting...But what IS an assault rifle? ------> really, NONE OF THE ABOVE !!
Sorry, but both your Nylon 66 and Remington 870 are "Assault Weapons"

It's not just US gun control advocates defining them that way either. A few years ago Australians had to turn in their "evil-dangerous-multiple rounds per second-only fit for murder & crime-Assault weapon" Remington 870's and Nylon 66's. The government cut them up into scrap. Then of course crime increased.

ETA- as has already been stated the term "Assault Weapon/Rifle" has a technically correct definition, but when it comes to gun-control the term is not used in it's technically correct sense. When it comes to making laws that affect the general population, your Nylon 66 and Remington 870 are included in the gun-control advocates non-technical use of the term.

Support for gun control is highly dependent on emotion- not facts. In order to generate emotional responses words are used incorrectly or in intentionally misleading ways. The gun-control advocates have been largely successful at getting people to believe that an AR-15 is somehow "different" from your uncles Remington 7400.
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No, trying to point out that we really don't need to ban something that's already illegal.
ah - good point
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so... the inquiring mind... and mine too.. might be wondering....

what about all the guns that people already have?

well....

the legislation will go in phases. First, the magazines (bullet holders for the non gun inclined) and bullets. State by state, start banning them.

Second and about in parallel, ban future sales of "assault weapons". That give the public about a years to buy them all up at exhorbitant prices and hoard them.

Third, ban the evil "assault weapons" altogether. That means that on Friday before the law goes into effect, you are a legal citizen shooting your XYZ semiauto gun at the local range. On Monday, when the law goes into effect, you suddenly become a felon for having that very same gun.. so.. you might have the gun, but you can't let it be known or be seen in public with it or you will prosecuted. So they become closet clutter - there should we need them for the zombie apocolypse.
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so... the inquiring mind... and mine too.. might be wondering....

what about all the guns that people already have?

well....

the legislation will go in phases. First, the magazines (bullet holders for the non gun inclined) and bullets. State by state, start banning them.

Second and about in parallel, ban future sales of "assault weapons". That give the public about a years to buy them all up at exhorbitant prices and hoard them.

Third, ban the evil "assault weapons" altogether. That means that on Friday before the law goes into effect, you are a legal citizen shooting your XYZ semiauto gun at the local range. On Monday, when the law goes into effect, you suddenly become a felon for having that very same gun.. so.. you might have the gun, but you can't let it be known or be seen in public with it or you will prosecuted. So they become closet clutter - there should we need them for the zombie apocolypse.
This is the part that makes no sense, all the lip service to "ban the assault rifles" it's not even possible. Well, it's possible to ban actual assault rifles (the fully auto distinction) but the rest will NEVER happen.

Maybe they pass some redundant legislation that makes owning an assault rifle illegal? Again. People would never even know the difference, and it would look like they did something. Win win.
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Old 12-18-2012, 06:34 PM   #3371 (permalink)
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This is the part that makes no sense, all the lip service to "ban the assault rifles" it's not even possible. Well, it's possible to ban actual assault rifles (the fully auto distinction) but the rest will NEVER happen.

Maybe they pass some redundant legislation that makes owning an assault rifle illegal? Again. People would never even know the difference, and it would look like they did something. Win win.
no... they will redefine "assault rifle/weapon" to be any gun capable of auto fire and holding more than X bullets.

Our law makers are great at writing laws that the ordinary citizen cannot understand - one reason why half of congress is lawyers.

Try reading the tax code... you think the gun laws will be any clearer?
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no... they will redefine "assault rifle/weapon" to be any gun capable of auto fire and holding more than X bullets.

Our law makers are great at writing laws that the ordinary citizen cannot understand - one reason why half of congress is lawyers.

Try reading the tax code... you think the gun laws will be any clearer?
Yes, but all the lawyers I know are hunters and have beautiful gun collections. I just don't see it happening. I see all of this as a visceral response to a horrible tragedy, and much ado about nothing on the legal front.

I could see my redundant legislation idea actually happening though...
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Old 12-18-2012, 06:40 PM   #3373 (permalink)
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Yes, but all the lawyers I know are hunters and have beautiful gun collections. I just don't see it happening. I see all of this as a visceral response to a horrible tragedy, and much ado about nothing on the legal front.

I could see my redundant legislation idea actually happening though...

we'll see..... definitely count on a ban on high-cap magazines and certain types of ammunition.
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First a .22 Semi Auto Ruger rifle could be considered an assault rifle. If the the tube magazine holds more than 10 rounds. The .223 is just a .22 lr on steroids. Which is used for hunting small game. Some people just collect military looking guns and don't even shoot them for investments. Some people think that is strange but I think there are a lot more stranger things that people collect.
The shooter could have shot through that glass door with any pistol or any revolver handgun round. Just because he used the so called assault rifle the news makes it a big thing out of it.
I think they are going to name more specific guns in the new ban. All they were going by in the last ban was they did name a few, no more imported ones, also if it had a bayonet lug, flash supressor, collapsible or folding stock and some others. Plus the hi cap mags.
But like I said there are already so many so called assault weapons and hi cap mags already out there. So you have a semi auto pistol with 10 round mags. So all you do with this new law is you force these crazies to carry 30-40 10 round mags?? Even if they care and follow the new law. It does not take long to reload with practice. What do we have? Another DUMB LAW. So then after another school, mall, theather, or new mass shootings with 10 round mags. Another new law will come out. No more semi auto pistols!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe then revolvers after that????????
Maybe I can clear this up. People get confused (as like the news people) on the difference between a semi auto (which is not a fully auto or machingun weapon) or fully automatic. A fully automatic or machinguns are illegal to own since the NATIONAL FIREARMS ACT OF 1934. But only if they are not registered. Depending on your state law you can own one if you go to a Class III Dealer that sells them. In 1986 they did tighten the law up that only the ones that were made until pre-1986 could only be still transfered between people. They do have what are called Dealer Samples (which include pre 1986 ones and current new machinguns that are made) that the Class III Dealers can own and only transfer between other Class III Dealers. Anyway you go to a Class III Dealer fill out the proper paper work, get fingerprinted and photo. Also that paper work has to be signed by the chief law enforcement officer (Chief of Police, Sherriff, some others) in your city All that goes off to the ATF, FBI with your $200 (which is a transfer fee). After the background criminal check. They ok it or not by sending it back with paperwork and attached to it is called a Tax Stamp (which does look like a biggr postage stamp). After that the dealer can transfer the machingun to you. Also any time you transport a registered machingun that paperwork must travel with it. I think still if you want to take it out of state or move you have to notify the ATF.

NEW on the shooter.
Police find no evidence he was on any meds!!!!!!!!!!!
It may have set all this in motion because the mom had plans to have him committed.


Also In February 2012, Connecticut Senate Bill 452 (SB452) was put forward to remedy the fact that Connecticut was one of less than ten states in the U.S. to lack an “assisted outpatient treatment” (AOT) law.
But the bill was passed to Connecticut’s Joint Committee on Judiciary in March, where it quietly faded away because of opposition by those who viewed it as “egregious” and “outrageously discriminatory.”
Why didn't the legislation pass? Because the ACLU and other "civil liberties" groups and individuals cried foul. The ACLU in particular said 452 would "infringe on patients' privacy rights by expanding [the circle of] who can medicate individuals without their consent." They also said it infringed on patient rights by reducing the number of doctors' opinions necessary to commit someone to institutionalization. Give me an F N break!

Read more: Recently Defeated Connecticut Mental Health Bill May Have Stopped Friday’s Shooter | Conservative Byte
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Wait folks, we got this all wrong. It's not assault rifles, it's not the lack of adequate mental health care in this country, no, the violence is not caused by anything except....

Video games.

That's right, you heard it here first. We now need to spend millions on a study to see if violent video games are the root cause of all problems in society. And then we need to get the government to spend more money that it doesn't have in enforcing bans on violent video games. Instead of you know, putting that cash towards a solution that might actually do some good, like increasing mental health care services instead of cutting their budgets all the time. Quotage:

"Recent court decisions demonstrate that some people still do not get it," [Senator Jay] Rockefeller said in a statement. "They believe that violent video games are no more dangerous to young minds than classic literature or Saturday morning cartoons. Parents, pediatricians, and psychologists know better. These court decisions show we need to do more and explore ways Congress can lay additional groundwork on this issue. This report will be a critical resource in this process. I call on my colleagues to join to me in passing this important legislation quickly."

Dear Congress: you don't need a study. They're already done. The ratings are on the boxes. Just put out an advisory to tell parents to grow backbones and police what their own kids watch and play. The government doesn't need to nanny the entire under 18 population. Thanks.
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