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Agree, and if you ban guns then the woods will be full of wounded deer from half assed bow hunters...
so the gun lobby needs a TV showing a bunch of wounded sick deer limping around the woods..

well.. then they would want to ban arrows too.

then blow darts

then spears

then clubs
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I would like to see someone take a duck with an arrow... That'd be something
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I would like to see someone take a duck with an arrow... That'd be something
A college friend once got in trouble with the law for bow hunting geese. Apparently it's not sporting.

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A college friend once got in trouble with the law for bow hunting geese. Apparently it's not sporting.
Unless they were tame geese wandering around a lake, I would imagine that would be pretty difficult.
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4 more days until the deer come for us all
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4 more days until the deer come for us all
who asked why one needs a 30 round magazine?
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who asked why one needs a 30 round magazine?
Touché. When the zombie deer come, and see my freezer, I will be begging for that banana clip
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This is beyond comprehension! The only way to learn history or critical thinking skills is by reading, writing and discussing ideas. This has to be one of the most obtuse statement I have ever seen.
The point went over your head.

Ever hear the expression "The pen is mightier than the sword"? Or some version of "Who control the past controls the future"? Words are dangerous. Speeches, books, movies, video games, etc, etc, etc, can inflame or motivate people.

At a minimum, misinformation or playing with words can twist peoples thinking (ie- 'assault weapon' 'high powered' 'multiple rounds per second')

The point is that both the right to speak freely and the right to bear arms are enumerated. (it's arguable that the founders believed we had both rights naturally and there was no need to list them, but regardless, they are listed)

So, if you are interested in sacrificing or regulating Americans rights for the illusion of safety, why not start with the most dangerous one- the right to free speech. Restricting that right via censoring what is available for mentally unstable people to read, watch, play, publish, etc would undoubtedly produce a safer society than making people take a safety test before buying a gun.

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Computers create porn ...

Spoons made Rosie fat ...

Guns kill people ...

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Oh yeah ... and the second amendment is about hunting ...

"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." – Thomas Jefferson
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Guns kill people ...

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Oh yeah ... and the second amendment is about hunting ...

"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." – Thomas Jefferson

Erm, yeah. It may not be ABOUT hunting, but let's be honest it's actually about a militia and their right to bear arms. Hunters keep gun rights advocates from looking like fringe wingnuts holed up in doomsday bunkers. Who do you think keeps the NRAs bread buttered?

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Erm, yeah. It may not be ABOUT hunting, but let's be honest it's actually about a militia and their right to bear arms. Hunters keep gun rights advocates from looking like fringe wingnuts holed up in doomsday bunkers. Who do you think keeps the NRAs bread buttered?
I think there is still legal debate today about what is meant by the brief wording of the 2nd amendment. do we really have militias today in the US? The National Guard is not.... they are paid for their services and guard members sign up versus getting called to duty as a regular Joe/Jane Blow citizen. Today - militia has a very negative connotation - antigovernment, anarchist, white supremacist types.... the last thing our government wants today is a militia - an irregular army of armed citizens. We do all our defending through paid 'professionals'. Now - is that irony, or what? if the interpretation of the 2nd amendment is in support of armed militias?
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I think there is still legal debate today about what is meant by the brief wording of the 2nd amendment. do we really have militias today in the US? The National Guard is not.... they are paid for their services and guard members sign up versus getting called to duty as a regular Joe/Jane Blow citizen. Today - militia has a very negative connotation - antigovernment, anarchist, white supremacist types.... the last thing our government wants today is a militia - an irregular army of armed citizens. We do all our defending through paid 'professionals'. Now - is that irony, or what? if the interpretation of the 2nd amendment is in support of armed militias?
It was written 200+ years ago. I have no idea what a revolutionary army founder would think of today.

I was simply saying the BEST thing the gun lobby has going TODAY is the American hunter. There aren't that many people with stockpiles of MREs and a bug out location waiting for the revolution donating to the NRA. There are millions of people with hunting liscences and leases and firearms who want to keep them.

Don't discount the contribution of hunters keeping the movement mainstream and funded.
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It was written 200+ years ago. I have no idea what a revolutionary army founder would think of today.

I was simply saying the BEST thing the gun lobby has going TODAY is the American hunter. There aren't that many people with stockpiles of MREs and a bug out location waiting for the revolution donating to the NRA. There are millions of people with hunting liscences and leases and firearms who want to keep them.

Don't discount the contribution of hunters keeping the movement mainstream and funded.
I know.. but my point was, that if the 2nd amendment defends the right of ordinary citizens to keep guns at home and pull themselves together into a 'well regulated' militia - i.e., regular training, drills, etc- then our 2nd amendments rights are well eroded already. Try forming a militia today and claiming 2nd amendment protection - coo coo, coo coo...
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I know.. but my point was, that if the 2nd amendment defends the right of ordinary citizens to keep guns at home and pull themselves together into a 'well regulated' militia - i.e., regular training, drills, etc- then our 2nd amendments rights are well eroded already. Try forming a militia today and claiming 2nd amendment protection - coo coo, coo coo...
Ha, yeah... That ship has sailed.

Its also a legal minefield. Militia? Define it. Well regulated? By whom?
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Unless they were tame geese wandering around a lake, I would imagine that would be pretty difficult.
I cannot speak for the domestication (or not) of the geese, though if I remember the story right, he also had a line tied to the arrow so that he could "reel" the goose in once shot over water. I also cannot speak for the bow prowess of said friend; I think he's the person I know who's accidentally set himself on fire the most (art student: glass blowing and sculpture).

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Why people are thanking this post is blowing my mind. Ignore list just grew.
There is only one reason and ONE reason only for a gun that shoots multiple rounds per second and it's not for deer hunting. WOW! could you please link me to this gun that shoots multiple rounds per second? I like to learn about such a gun! The mechanics would be fascinating. I presume you are speaking of something you could actually hit a target with, is hand held and is available to the general public. If it is aircraft mounted or tank mounted and only available to the government it doesn't count. It also doesn't count if you talking about being fast enough to mechanically operate a gun well enough to fire off more than one round per second. (I can do that with grandpas old shotgun.)

And don't give me that it's protection from the government crap- all they have to do is point a microwave gun @ you and your AR-15 & you're toast. Please inform the fighters in Afghanistan that they and their AK's are already microwaved toast. I'd like my friends to come home.

DIAF already.
Methinks you might be paying too much attention to gun-control propaganda.

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Ha, yeah... That ship has sailed.

Its also a legal minefield. Militia? Define it. Well regulated? By whom?
"Well Regulated" in the time it was written had a different meaning that we would normally presume today. Today one might say "Fully prepared" or "Completely operational" or "Combat ready"

The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected.

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...................snip... the last thing our government wants today is a militia - an irregular army of armed citizens. ....................snip.............
It was one of the last things the government (England) wanted back in the late 1700's too. Government attempts to disarm the militia (gun-control) was one of the things that pushed the independence movement from words into an actual shooting war.

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This is an interesting article about what has changed, is the perscribed use of Powerful psych drugs that were developed.


Dr. Ignatius Piazza
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Please Forward to Your Local Newspapers, Radio Stations, and Television News Stations, Family and Friends

Subject: Psych Drugs, Not Guns, Doing the Killing

Las Vegas, Nevada: 12 years ago, I asked a very pointed question in a press release sent to the National Wire Service immediately following the killings at Columbine High School.

A few days after the Virginia Tech Massacre, I again asked the same very direct question.

And today, after the Newton Connecticut massacre, I am once again asking the very same pointed question...

I am asking, "How many times must we experience another Littleton, Colorado or Virginia Tech or Newtown Connecticut before we wake up, study the research and adopt policies which actually reduce crime and begin saving our children instead of leaving them helpless victims when the next psych drug user snaps?"

After Columbine, while most journalists and lawmakers focused on whether or not my answer to protecting children by arming teachers was the right solution, it seems everyone missed my understanding of the root cause that drove these kids to commit such atrocities!

The root cause was and continues to be the psych drugs that are being pushed on our children!

In some cases children as young as kindergarten age!

After Columbine, nobody wanted to believe the founder and director of the nation's largest firearms training institute when he pointed his finger at psych drugs as the cause of the problem. During numerous radio, TV and newspaper interviews I would bring it up and it would fall on deaf ears with no reaction at all.

So I spent $300,000 to create a Hollywood produced, award winning DVD entitled Front Sight Story, Chapter One: Your Legacy.

In "Your Legacy," I interviewed people of age who actually experienced an America when guns were so freely available to children and youth, that you could order them through the mail with no ID required, no waiting period, and literally carry them to school to place in the back of the classroom with no problems at all.

During this time, when guns were the most accessible in our country's entire history, there were no school shootings, drive by shootings, or murderous teenage rampages.

What changed? Here is what changed: Powerful psych drugs were developed and became the profitable, prescription answer to a wide variety of extremely questionable if not outright fabricated mental disorder diagnosis of youth.

Little Johnny doesn't want to go to school? Take this pill... Little Johnny isn't learning? Take this pill...

Little Johnny feels anxious? Take this pill... Little Johnny is sad? Take this pill... Little Johnny is restless?

Take this pill... Little Johnny is rebellious? Take this pill...

And once Little Johnny started taking the brightly colored pills to handle the normal challenges of youth that every prior generation had overcome naturally through the process of social maturity, Little Johnny began the downward spiral of adverse prescription drug side effects leading to multiple prescription, psycho drug cocktails... stronger drugs... physical and psychological dependency... and the now infamous and reoccurring homicidal and suicidal reactions caused by these very powerful, mind bending drugs.

There is a truism I keep posted on the wall above my computer. It reads, "People of integrity expect to be believed. When they are not, they let time prove them right."

Well, unfortunately and tragically in this case, time has proven me right, time and time again! Numerous school shootings over the last several years ALL linked to children and teens under the influence of powerful, prescribed psych drugs!

Psych Drugs, NOT GUNS, Are the Common Deadly Thread in School Shootings!

And now, instead of Dr. Ignatius Piazza, the Founder and Director of Front Sight saying, "Its Psych Drugs, Not Guns, Doing the Killing" I am getting assistance in spreading my message from some of the most unlikely, sources you could ever imagine...

Watch this video from Citizens Committee on Human Rights. They have done the hard research and now say the same thing I said over 12 years ago...



Then see what Michael Moore, the Darling of the Liberal Left, Anti-Gun Media now has to say about the cause of Columbine. Medical Doctors and Psychiatrists Now Admit Connections Between Psych Drugs and Homicidal and Suicidal Actions of Children and Teens:



Michael and I may never agree about the importance of an armed society to the freedom and protection of law abiding citizens or the fallacy of gun control, but we could be best friends in our efforts to expose the truth about the profit driven history of psych drug prescriptions systematically creating homicidal and suicidal monsters out of our youth in America. In fact, I stand ready and willing to assist Michael Moore in any way possible on such an endeavor.

Now that people on both sides of the gun control debate agree that psych drugs are creating suicidal and homicidal maniacs out of our youth, the time has come to expose the truth to all of America.

You can help save today's youth from further psych drug abuse and protect America's next generation from the horrors of psych drug prescriptions. It only takes 10% of the population to unite, stand up and say, "No more!" for social movements to succeed. You CAN do something about this!

Simply spread this press release far and wide to all on your lists and ask your friends and family to do the same.

Instead of circulating the latest joke or cartoon of the week, make the entirety of this earth-shattering truth the next e-mail that goes 'round the world'! Don't rely on anyone else to do what you should do. Don't be apathetic.

Take one minute to do the right thing and you will feel great about it for the rest of your life because the future children you save from psych drug addiction or being shot by a psych drugged maniac may be your own children or grandchildren...

See the links below for more irrefutable proof of the connection between psych drugs and school shootings...

Psych Drugs, Not Guns, are Doing the Killing!

Fox National News reporter Douglas Kennedy exposes the link between psychiatric drugs and school shootings:



Experts Say Psychiatric Drugs Linked to Long List of School Shooting Sprees

The Link Between School Shootings and Vet Suicides is Big Pharma not Guns

Get your free DVD copy of Dr. Ignatius Piazza's, Front Sight Story, Chapter One: Your Legacy

For More Information on Front Sight Firearms Training Institute and Dr. Ignatius Piazza's free, 15 Gun Training Reports click here.

Sincerely,

Dr. Ignatius Piazza
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"Well Regulated" in the time it was written had a different meaning that we would normally presume today. Today one might say "Fully prepared" or "Completely operational" or "Combat ready"

The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected.
Don't disagree, but if ya try to create your own operational army today, well... I admire your heart, but not your brain. .

Also, as to your previous post... Your grandpa has a shotgun that can get of more than one shell a SECOND? Freaking sweet.
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sorry Dr. Piazza, the Prescription Drug lobby is stronger than the gun lobby.
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Don't disagree, but if ya try to create your own operational army today, well... I admire your heart, but not your brain. .

Also, as to your previous post... Your grandpa has a shotgun that can get of more than one shell a SECOND? Freaking sweet.
Not my video. Same kind of gun, but it's nothing special- just an old pump action shotgun designed in the late 1800's.

Skip ahead to about 3.05 in the video.


1897 shotgun


Just to put things into further perspective here is a shotgun designed in 1898 and put into production in 1902-


Here is a video of a shooter using the same semi-auto function that was available in 1902-

same semi-auto capability as 1902



The whole “OMG- These modern Death dealing-multiple rounds per second-Assault weapons are the problem!!!!” is Bull$hit propaganda.

Just to further emphasize the point, here is what a skilled dedicated individual can do single shot. Average Joe isn't going to be this fast even with practice, but even taking twice as long as this guy is fast enough to show that restricting semi-auto firearms is not a solution to anything whatsoever.

Single shot at a time

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Dr. Piazza has some credibility issues, but he isn't the only one who has brought up the link between prescription drugs and violent behavior. More than likely it is a real, legitimate part of the problem, along with other factors.

I agree that powerful business interests can be difficult to go up against. Seems to me though that the biggest problem is getting the public in general to quit thinking about useless feel-good things like gun-control and focus on finding something that might actually make a difference.

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They Big Pharma would be hard to go up against. But most of these shooters were on some type of psychiatric drugs.
There was hardly any problems until after the late 60's when a lot of these drugs were developed.
Until the Gun Control act of 1968 you could just order a gun thru the mail, out of a magazine.

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