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[dobermansrule]

Originally Posted by Dictator

Despite Congressional Sparks, FERC Decision Greenlights First-Ever Exports of Liquified Natural Gas from the Continental U.S. | Line of Sight

April 2012 FERC allows US Natural Gas to be liquified and sold to foreign countries.

Fracking was done in Pa and is moving to Ohio with this decision it makes it very attractive

I'll have to look it up but I don't believe they will pay what is called a severance tax

This is being done under Obama these companies will get long term contracts we'll lose a very important natural resource and the companies will "make" a lot of money. At some point we will run low on natural gas so who will get it the US or Foreign Countries.

do any of these foreign countries hold US debt? there's more than one way to pay back a debt. Even at the expense of one's citizens. And we are all being silently taxed with the inflation tax. And I'll bet anyone on this forum that Obummer will not end "Corporate Welfare". He won't/can't stand up to his overlords. Any takers? Name the wager.

[dobermansrule]

U.S. to Pass Saudi Arabia in Energy Production, IEA Says: Huge Foreign Policy, Economic Implications | Daily Ticker - Yahoo! Finance

" U.S. energy policies initiated by the George W. Bush administration and implemented by President Barack Obama have moved the U.S. toward energy independence and away from Middle East energy sources. U.S. oil production has risen rapidly since 2008 and oil imports are at their lowest level in two decades."

[Dictator]

Originally Posted by monicaei

That is what I was talking about. It's practically piracy. We are being looted and saying "thanks" to the people doing it.

END CORPORATE WELFARE!

White House outlines support for alternative-fuel vehicles - Mar. 7, 2012

Liquid natural gas could "not" be exported without Federal Approval which after approval by the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) is being done for the "first" time.

Your problem is with the Federal Goverment that approved exporting liquid natural gas to foreign countries. That would be Obamas Administration

The article I linked March 2012 using natural gas for cars.

April 2012 Federal approval was granted to sell liquid natural gas to foreign countries what does that tell you

There are countries already using natural gas for cars and I believe China is one of them so they will use our natural gas for their cars

[monicaei]

I think you misunderstood my problem . LNG is so new, I wasnt actually aware this had happened. I disagreed WHOLEHEARTEDLY with Obama on that. It's not a partisian issue for me. It think both parties are essentially the same.

Let me try to explain how O&G works. Dobiewankanobie can probably explain it better, or I can post extremely complicated mineral rights laws that no one really wants to read.

Using the federal waters in the gulf of mexico as an example... There is a "lease sale" for the mineral rights for a certain block of sea floor. Oil companies bid on these blocks, usually identified by a geologic formation nearby followed by a number (Ex Green Canyon 252). The oil companies then have the right to extract the oil from that area. The oil then belongs to them. Fine and good. They take it to market and sell it, fine and good. My problem is that they pay no taxes on it.

"Energy Independence" is a myth. It simply means that we will be exporting more than we are importing. When "we" export it, it's not "AMERICAN" oil. Americans arent exporting anything, oil
companies are, and they are making a killing. Thats simply indicating where it originated from. We are actually buying back a product that was ours to start with, on the global market for whatever the current price is. Whether it comes from a tanker from Saudi Arabia or a pipeline our own backyard.

I'm not a "socialist" and I don't think we should have state run oil companies, but I do think the current structure is fundamentally flawed. The govt makes up for the tax breaks given to oil companies on the front end by taxing consumers on the back end.

Originally Posted by Dictator

White House outlines support for alternative-fuel vehicles - Mar. 7, 2012

Liquid natural gas could "not" be exported without Federal Approval which after approval by the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) is being done for the "first" time.

Your problem is with the Federal Goverment that approved exporting liquid natural gas to foreign countries. That would be Obamas Administration

The article I linked March 2012 using natural gas for cars.

April 2012 Federal approval was granted to sell liquid natural gas to foreign countries what does that tell you

There are countries already using natural gas for cars and I believe China is one of them so they will use our natural gas for their cars

[dobermansrule]

Originally Posted by Dictator

White House outlines support for alternative-fuel vehicles - Mar. 7, 2012

Liquid natural gas could "not" be exported without Federal Approval which after approval by the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) is being done for the "first" time.

Your problem is with the Federal Goverment that approved exporting liquid natural gas to foreign countries. That would be Obamas Administration

The article I linked March 2012 using natural gas for cars.

April 2012 Federal approval was granted to sell liquid natural gas to foreign countries what does that tell you

There are countries already using natural gas for cars and I believe China is one of them so they will use our natural gas for their cars

and the US badly needs some exports to help balance things out.

[dobermansrule]

sometimes you just have to - laugh?

Wife runs husband over during political argument - KPTV - FOX 12

[monicaei]

Oh goodness... On my local news tonight, a private citizen has brought forth a petition for Louisiana to secede from the union, along with several other southern states.

I guess the confederacy WILL rise again?

[Rosemary]

Yeah, did you hear where Gov. Secession (AKA Perry), released a statment this morning saying that he believes in the "greatness" of the country, and how "nothing" should be done to disturb that greatness? Seems to me he's said on more than one ocassion that secession was always an option.

Just think how much seceding would cost a state. First off, you'd have to draw up treaties with the country you secede from, and any other country that borders you, or that you want (need) to have diplomatic relations with. Then, because you've lost the protection of the US military, you'd have to create your own military, and arm them (hmmm, more treaties). You'd lose all Federal monies, and would have to make up shortfalls in programs like school funding, highway funding, prison funding, and the like. There's a lot more, but that's all I can think of off the top of my head.

[monicaei]

Originally Posted by Rosemary

Yeah, did you hear where Gov. Secession (AKA Perry), released a statment this morning saying tha he believes in the "greatness" of the country, and how "nothing" should be done to disturb that greatness? Seems to me he's said on more than one ocassion that secession was always an option.

Just think how much seceding would cost a state. First off, you'd have to draw up treaties with the country you secede from, and any other country that borders you, or that you want (need) to have diplomatic relations with. Then, because you've lost the protection of the US military, you'd have to create your own military, and arm them (hmmm, more treaties). You'd lose all Federal monies, and would have to make up shortfalls in programs like school funding, highway funding, prison funding, and the like. There's a lot more, but that's all I can think of off the top of my head.

We could all print our own money, which would be worth nothing cuz the people desiring to secede hate taxes. No revenue. Wonder about the exchange rate? Hmm

[sandy2233]

Originally Posted by monicaei

I'm kinda doubting this is a real story... I know "X" doctor, and his "baby mama". I also know how they file their taxes, what welfare those kids receive, and their insurance coverage, etc.

Unless you are the doctor and baby mama's accountant, how would anyone know this? I would think an MD gaming the system would be smart enough not to broadcast it to every casual acquaintance they have. And certainly a LARGE dose of shame and embarrassment.

Either way... I vote we send "focus on the family" after them. I really just want to give those guys something productive to do. They have ALOT of rage, and it needs a useful direction.

It is one of the drs I work with. No shame, quite proud of it. Something for free and freeing up money that would have to pay for health insurance and food. Thusthe available money for a new stick built home. It makes me sick and his parents are not that type of people. But this girl is a player and shes converting him.

[sandy2233]

Originally Posted by astra

She gets it because apparently no one has reported her lying ass. All of the benefits that you have stated that she is getting are determined by HOUSEHOLD INCOME. If she, the children and the "good" doctor are all living together under the same roof and all use the same address and they are lying about it, then that is FRAUD. If the agencies from which she is collecting these benefits finds out that she has lied to obtain any of these benefits, she will have to pay every penny back. If you know her name and the doctors name and you know their address, call the local division of the Health and Human Services Department for the county that they live in and REPORT THEM!

Hearing stories like that INFURIATES me because there are families who truly need help that are getting denied because of dirtbags like that who take advantage of and decieve the system. What they are doing is so wrong on so many levels and they should truly be embarassed of themselves and their actions.

You have given me a business that I can call. I thot this was wierd even tho it was happening. We'll give a little shake on the family tree.

[monicaei]

Originally Posted by sandy2233

You have given me a business that I can call. I thot this was wierd even tho it was happening. We'll give a little shake on the family tree.

I'd call the IRS as well. There's an anonymous tip line for tax cheats, I believe.

If this is all true, those people are an embarrassment to the human race. I'm still shocked a doctor would do this. All the docs I know are extremely proud of how much they make and can afford. I'm generalizing, I know, but it just seems so counter to my experiences.

[dobermansrule]

Originally Posted by Rosemary

Yeah, did you hear where Gov. Secession (AKA Perry), released a statment this morning saying that he believes in the "greatness" of the country, and how "nothing" should be done to disturb that greatness? Seems to me he's said on more than one ocassion that secession was always an option.

Just think how much seceding would cost a state. First off, you'd have to draw up treaties with the country you secede from, and any other country that borders you, or that you want (need) to have diplomatic relations with. Then, because you've lost the protection of the US military, you'd have to create your own military, and arm them (hmmm, more treaties). You'd lose all Federal monies, and would have to make up shortfalls in programs like school funding, highway funding, prison funding, and the like. There's a lot more, but that's all I can think of off the top of my head.

sarcasm/snark disclaimer - be advised..

- didn't the Federal government already speak once on how it felt about secession? Recall General William Tecumseh Sherman and his scorched earth policy levied on the South. It was ok back then. Modern day version is the Fed Gov can't stand to lose the tax base.
- why stress over military and treaties and all that - we have Captain Wonderful as President 4 more years - he'll cure all ills and make the world one happy place. Borders are only barriers to love.
- Federal monies... watch the debt counter... fed monies are borrowed anyway. The Fed throws monies out like beads from Mardi Gras floats.
- Let the States run their own schools anyway. The Federal Government has no business being babysitters and meal services for lazy parents.
- Secede, declare war on the US, then get a bunch of aid money. Set for life.

[monicaei]

As much as our politics suck, at least we arent these guys...

Rockets, airstrikes reignite Mideast conflict - CNN.com

Seriously, im shocked anyone is alive over there to lob rockets and launch airstrikes.

[GRAYGHOST]

Everyone ready for all of the new taxes (many had just been suspended for
a few years) that will come in January, 2013? Many of these will be due to Obummer Care. It will not just be the top 2%, that Obummer especially hates because they are wealthy, and do not vote for him, it will be everyone who is productive that get screwed. It will not matter if you make $50,000 a year, or $5 million, bend over and grab your ankles.

This may sound crude, but so is having your hard earned money stolen by the socalists in Washington for use on un-Constitutional programs.

[dobermansrule]

Originally Posted by GRAYGHOST

Everyone ready for all of the new taxes (many had just been suspended for
a few years) that will come in January, 2013? Many of these will be due to Obummer Care. It will not just be the top 2%, that Obummer especially hates because they are wealthy, and do not vote for him, it will be everyone who is productive that get screwed. It will not matter if you make $50,000 a year, or $5 million, bend over and grab your ankles.

This may sound crude, but so is having your hard earned money stolen by the socalists in Washington for use on un-Constitutional programs.

look at the bright side GG... some hamstring stretching will be good for us older people, and, better yet.. we'll be able to walk in and get free healthcare.

[GRAYGHOST]

I hope everyone here had a great Thanksgiving with family and good food. We had about 23 family members at our house, and lots of wonderful Southern comfort food.

Please remember that the origional Thanksgiving, celebrated at Berkley Planation, here in Virginia, was to thank the Lord Jesus Christ for his blessings on the people of the Virginia colony. At Church, last evening, we had holy communion, and thanked the Lord for his continued blessings.

[GRAYGHOST]

Get ready for more attacks on your liberty by the Obummer Administration after the terrible killings at the elementry school on Conn. today. Obummer, like Hitler and Stalin (pushing the same socalist/communist agenda) will use a tragic event as a basis to push more gun control. He wants to bring back the so-called 'assault weapons ban', eventhou real assault rifles are selective fire, semi-auto./full-auto., class III weapons, and not easily available. Our little Hitler/Stalin wantabe wants to take your 100 year old plus semi-auto technology weapons, and everything else.

Obummer, and other ignorant anti-guners, do not care for fact, or the 2nd Amendment; they just want to take your guns and liberty. The end result will be to make you a slave to the central government.

[Rosemary]

Originally Posted by GRAYGHOST

Get ready for more attacks on your liberty by the Obummer Administration after the terrible killings at the elementry school on Conn. today. Obummer, like Hitler and Stalin (pushing the same socalist/communist agenda) will use a tragic event as a basis to push more gun control. He wants to bring back the so-called 'assault weapons ban', eventhou real assault rifles are selective fire, semi-auto./full-auto., class III weapons, and not easily available. Our little Hitler/Stalin wantabe wants to take your 100 year old plus semi-auto technology weapons, and everything else.

Obummer, and other ignorant anti-guners, do not care for fact, or the 2nd Amendment; they just want to take your guns and liberty. The end result will be to make you a slave to the central government.

Grayghost, shut up.

[monicaei]

I am pro gun rights. I also don't think someone willing to gun down 20 kindergarteners could have been stopped, OR should be politicized. Let's maybe leave the dead babies out of the politics thread?

[Meldrew79]

Our little Hitler/Stalin wantabe wants to take your 100 year old plus semi-auto technology weapons, and everything else.

20 children are dead and that's your first thought???? Really???? Unbelievable.

[GRAYGHOST]

Originally Posted by monicaei

I am pro gun rights. I also don't think someone willing to gun down 20 kindergarteners could have been stopped, OR should be politicized. Let's maybe leave the dead babies out of the politics thread?

It was Obama, today, who has already said that he wants to push for the 'assault ban'; I did not bring it up from nowhere. He is the one using dead children.

[monicaei]

Originally Posted by GRAYGHOST

It was Obama, today, who has already said that he wants to push for the 'assault ban'; I did not bring it up from nowhere. He is the one using dead children.

Then I disagree with him as well, but your post is no better than his sound bite. 20 babies lost their lives today, their families lost their children today. This isn't about politics.

[GRAYGHOST]

Originally Posted by Meldrew79

20 children are dead and that's your first thought???? Really???? Unbelievable.

Obama brought it up today. It was NOT my first thought. With 6 young grandchildren, and 2 sons with the sheriff's office I have more personal interest in a tragic act like this than most (not all) of you.

The snide remarks are not going to change anything. My wife told our grandchildren that it is an awful thing that happened to these little children, but Jesus will open his arms and take them in and comfort them. Our prayers are with them and their families.

The politics have begun, and do not blame me. First it will be blame guns, then it will be blame the police because they did not do whatever fast enough.

One of my granddaughters just came by to give me a hug and tell me that I am the best PaPa in the world, so I do not really care about your coments.

[monicaei]

Originally Posted by GRAYGHOST

Obama brought it up today. It was NOT my first thought. With 6 young grandchildren, and 2 sons with the sheriff's office I have more personal interest in a tragic act like this than most (not all) of you.

Someone killed 20 innocent children. Everyone has a personal interest in that. Its a human tragedy.