Originally Posted by RomeoTheDawg

Russian do it best!

Originally Posted by dobiesrule

sweet.

I have my little Chinese SKS banana clip and all

Originally Posted by faber

oh i'd check n to this special ops adjustable stock everyone keeps talking about....might be bettr.
-i dont mind the kick on my pistol grip...but I've done hard labor most my life ...so it and a little pain don't bother me.

Originally Posted by Caelestis

Ya, all those drive by knifings we have up here in Canada, not to mention to vast number of people being pummled to death by rocks, why my goodness, its a real epidemic!!! Do you have any actual research or statistics to back up that theory?

No one can dispute that guns are dangerous objects with the potential to cause damage to property, and injury and death to animals and humans.

Funny how we Canadians do not permit ordinary citizens to have handguns yet we have the lower crime rates, huh? No, we're not crime free up here, there are bad people everywhere, but our gun crime rates are nothing compared to the US. In fact, violent crime rate has been steadily declining in Canada over the last two decades, and progressively fewer crimes are being committed with firearms. In 1978, Canada recorded 661 homicides, a rate of 2.76 per 100,000. Of these, 250, or 37.8%, were committed with guns. In 1998, Canada had 555 homicides, a rate of 1.83 per 100,000. Guns were involved in 151 of the homicides, 27% of the total, the lowest proportion since statistics were first collected in 1961. Robberies using firearms accounted for 18% of all such crimes in 1998, down from 25% in 1988 and 37% in 1978.

Most guns used in the comission of a crime are guns that have been bought by citzens foir "protection" and were subsequently stolen in a robbery. Most guns used in the commision of a crime in Canada orignated in the USA.

As far as most US homes having guns, I don't buy that. I have dozens of American friends and NONE of them have guns in their homes, nor would they even consider it.

In a study, "Firearm Availability and Unintentional Firearm Deaths, Suicide, and Homicide among 5-14 Year Olds" from the "Harvard School of Public Health (HSPH) found that in states and regions with higher levels of household firearm ownership, many more children are dying from homicide, suicide and gun accidents. The differences in rates of violent death to children across states are large. The higher death rates in high gun states are due to differences in deaths from firearms."

Did you know that the higher ones education level and social background is, the less likely they are to own a gun?

All guns have the potential to kill, all guns are a threat to public safety...so spare me the "guns dont kill people, people kill people" speech. And remember, before flaming me, I have EVERY right to be as against gun ownership as anyone else is for it...and I am no less passoinate in my beliefs than you are. To each his own.

Originally Posted by Doberdog

Faber I promise I won't get one at a flea market. I know it is not illegal but I don't have enough experience to buy a quality item like that and I sure don't want to hurt myself or to buy something that may have been used in a crime. Nope, I will buy new.

I'm still leaning toward that Mossburg 20g. I friend of mine told me that he thinks that I could handle a pistol grip on a mossburg (I told him I could not even pull the trigger on my neighbors gun this morning. He said it would easier to manipulate something like that (pistol grip), in the dark, going down a hallway, than a regular shotgun and it would be harder to take away. He also said the 20G would take some of the kick out of it. He is going to call some friends to see if I can shoot their shotgun.
Ok back to the subject. Pistol grip. If you use a 20G and jam it into your hip before shooting, will that lesson the kick than a 12 G, holding in front of you?

Originally Posted by prophecy

i feel your opinions are entitled, and a good statement for those of whom never owned a firearm.as you pointed out,the weapons are illegal. so i will grant this.however the guns themselves do not kill,the people weilding them inapropreatly kill.

prisons have no guns either.at least to inmates. many are murdered within the prisons with objects that would in no way be an everyday weapon. (ie toothbrushes,silverware, and many others.)
this illustrates that ANYTHING can become a weapon to take life. you can even take life with your own hands. there is no laws against axes,steak knives,or rat poisons) just as deadly,though no laws on that. knives,account for the 2nd murder statistic past guns in violent attacks.
in perspective, where there's a will,theres a way...no matter what.if they wont shoot you,they'll stab you.....still wounded or dead. defend yourself,you get an 'assult charge''. so im sorry,guns are not the issue,unstable people are.

Originally Posted by Donnie

You should check out the Knoxx , it is a nice piece 6 pos adjustable just like my M4 stock. Law enforcement use them not so much for reduction in recoil , but it is very easy to reaquire target and send a report round accuratley. But it does reduce recoild greatly. Here is a link to a video of the knoxx spec ops Knoxx Recoil Solutions
As you can see his shoulder against a solid fixed object recoil would KILL a normal shooter with a standard stock. If pistol grip is your thing . i recommend you check out the Breachergrip also made by Knoxx and is also recoil reducing.

I own every caliber mentioned in this whole thread (yes i have alot of guns) and this is what i go to for home defense.
Remington 12ga , i lean a little more toward tactical type weapons so this shotgun has a few extras. It has a Knoxx spec ops , wilson combat tritium night sight ghost ring , wilson combat forearm , wilson combat anti bind magazine follower and wilson combat extended magazine .... YOU CANT GO WRONG WITH A SHOTGUN!

In a post earlier you asked if there were quieter guns out there , the answer is no. You can get a silencer which is legal , but thats a $200 tax stamp and around $600 - $1200 for the can itself (can = silenencer) and they dont make them for a shotgun , just rifles and pistols. If you decide you want a silencer , i recommend Gemtech ... they make nice cans. And yes i know a good bit about silencers to LOL