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Old 05-13-2008, 05:15 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I remember my 5th grade teacher explaining to us everything that was going to happen if we didnt get our sh&% together - that was 1978. EVERYTHING that she said has started to happen - global warming, gas prices, rainforest destruction, increased terrorism...

It is our own fault. I love the United States, our constitution and commitment to freedom and equality. But our short-sighted materialism is going to be the death of us and it is negatively impacting the rest of the world in many ways as well. We should have invested our technology in energy alternatives decades ago. We should have made huge advances in defeating worldwide hunger and poverty. And here we are now, complaining about 4 bucks a gallon when other countries have been paying triple that? Even more disgusting is how incredibly fortunate we are to even have possessions that need gasoline!! Millions of people are dying RIGHT NOW because they don't have the very basics.

Instead of not buying gas from a few oil companies, I think we would be better off banning mindless television and focusing on what really matters in life - worldwide, for EVERYONE.
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Old 05-13-2008, 05:37 PM   #32 (permalink)
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[quote=prophecy;174602]i know that for gas its higher in many other countries,and we really shouldnt be complaining about cost of gas.but its hitting us hard.

imo,its not the price......its the jump of price,with a failure of economy. we are losing jobs to 'firm farmout'.sending or jobs overseas because its 'cheaper' and all. they dont regulate it,and its got 'lead' in it or something that should not be and our sales farmout slumps our quality in some things....you cant sell you cant make $$$.then we are in war .so,they get to jack up cost,for gas/taxes,as our 'war funding' for troops,when the troops never see it,and are inadequatly cared for/trained(undertrained/injured and in combat still). meanwhile, oil companies,are laughing all the way to the bank cuz they got the ''little people''aka us citizens by the balls.and can now charge pretty much what they want as the economy dies to save there own butts.only because we need it to function as a whole. they keep the price high enuff so they ''get theirs'' but just barely affordable,so its higher than it should be.so in all,its screw the little guys.

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These arent accurate statements- everyone loves to say "dam the man" but think about the profit MARGIN 8% is MUCH less than many other products you purchase and love. Someone already brought this up and its fact fact fact.

Emotional responses about consipracies and who is out to get who and more regulation being needed does nothing to fix the problem. if you want it fixed:

1. Drill for oil and natural gas in the US (Would create high paying jobs!) We know how to do it and be responsible to the environment.
2. Refine it in the US (would create high paying jobs!)
3. Continue to explore and incent purchase of alternative vehicles (tax offsets for costs of hybrids there are some but they arent high enough. 3k for that mariner I was looking at when the cost difference between hybrid and regular is 9k)

nuff said. Boycotts are worthless, action counts.
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Old 05-13-2008, 05:59 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Old 05-13-2008, 11:56 PM   #34 (permalink)
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My Grandmother use to ride to town with her mother-in-law in a electric car that had to be close to 100 years ago.If they could do it way back then why not now we need to use other energy besides oil.
My 2 cents the Bushes president and daddy ex president are in oil always have been. Maybe when Bush gets out of office prices may go down some.He has protected the big oil companies all along that way he makes more monies.
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Old 05-14-2008, 02:21 AM   #35 (permalink)
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This might come across as a daft question but I'm only asking coz I've never heard anyone mention it before. Do they have diesel cars in the usa/canada? I always hear folk go on about the price of petrol and how the only get 10 to 15 mpg from their petrol cars but nobody ever mentions diesel. I know you use it in your big trucks but what about the cars?

Just to upset the folk in the 10 mpg club, I was getting over 90 mpg in my small diesel car yesterday
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Old 05-14-2008, 10:14 AM   #36 (permalink)
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This might come across as a daft question but I'm only asking coz I've never heard anyone mention it before. Do they have diesel cars in the usa/canada? I always hear folk go on about the price of petrol and how the only get 10 to 15 mpg from their petrol cars but nobody ever mentions diesel. I know you use it in your big trucks but what about the cars?

Just to upset the folk in the 10 mpg club, I was getting over 90 mpg in my small diesel car yesterday
First off, WHAT THE HECK KIND OF CAR????? We need those here! Secondly, yes we have diesel cars, mostly Mercedes and Volkswagon. You don't see many though. Seriously, what make of car? Post a pic or two!
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Old 05-14-2008, 02:31 PM   #37 (permalink)
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First off, WHAT THE HECK KIND OF CAR????? We need those here! Secondly, yes we have diesel cars, mostly Mercedes and Volkswagon. You don't see many though. Seriously, what make of car? Post a pic or two!
It's a Renault Clio, just like this one. Not the fastest thing on 4 wheels, I've got my honda vtr1000 for my speed needs, but it was bought because it is cheap to run and you can fit a dobermann on the back seat, although the 5 door model might have been a wiser choice.

I'm surprised you don't have more diesels, over here virtually every car is offered with a choice between petrol and diesel. Cant see me ever buying a petrol car again, diesels are so much nicer to drive.

By the way, the next village to us is called Moscow, what a coincidence.

ps, dont go thinking it's a wonder car, the 90mpg only happens now and again when the traffic is moving slowly. It's normally around 60/65 mpg on the motorway.

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Old 05-14-2008, 03:48 PM   #38 (permalink)
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We have diesel- the price per gallon is more than gasoline however detering many people here from purchasing the few diesels cars out there. Truckers are also being affected.
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Old 05-14-2008, 11:03 PM   #39 (permalink)
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The fraction of crude oil that can be refined into diesel fuel is smaller than the fraction which can be made into gasoline--stands to reason diesel would be in short supply sooner and cost more than ordinary gasoline.
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Old 05-15-2008, 12:44 AM   #40 (permalink)
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1.40 $$ a liter .. here in montreal tabarnak ... since they realise that they can rise the prices like they want hey sky is the limit in their head ....
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