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Old 03-05-2011, 08:02 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I generally feed grain-free, with the exception of the last couple of months when I got several coupons for free Royal Canin. What I noticed with the change was, all of the sudden, I had 5 fat dogs. I switched back to grainfree, as I would rather blame Royal Canin than my promiscuous dog feeding habits.
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Old 03-06-2011, 07:21 AM   #27 (permalink)
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I feed a kibble with grain, oatmeal to be exact.

I find the grain free to be so full of fruit and vegetables. So instead of the 3rd ingredient being oatmeal or brown rice it's potato or pea's. Just like the grain, it's really not something a dog would have found in the wild. And most don't necessarily have more meat than the food with grain. If they are good quality they are normally somewhere in the range of 55-70% meat.

I think they are a great alternative for a dog that is allergic to a grain, without feeding raw.

Anyways that is my 2 cents, probably more than you wanted to hear.
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100% grain-free if possible. Dogs are carnivores by nature and do not require grain in their diet. I am not opposed to allowing some grain into the diet, but will aoid it if conveniently possible. I will only purchase grain-free kibble, though.
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I didn't vote for either because, for me, it depends on the grain. I feed grain-free kibble, but I add a few grains, like rice and barley, to the dog soup I make every week. (topping for evening meal) My dogs eat a little of everything I eat too, but I stay from corn or wheat as a staple.
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100% grain-free if possible. Dogs are carnivores by nature and do not require grain in their diet. I am not opposed to allowing some grain into the diet, but will aoid it if conveniently possible. I will only purchase grain-free kibble, though.
No they don't but neither do they require all the fruit and vegetables that are in the grain free diets. That's my point. Dogs are carnivores by nature, but certainly in the wild they are more scavengers or opportunists, they will eat berries, grain in a farmers field, left over veggies in a field, etc.
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No they don't but neither do they require all the fruit and vegetables that are in the grain free diets. That's my point. Dogs are carnivores by nature, but certainly in the wild they are more scavengers or opportunists, they will eat berries, grain in a farmers field, left over veggies in a field, etc.
Good point. I will add some rice or soemthing to my boy's food on occasion and since it is still hard to keep weight on him, I don't mind a little grain that I add. I oppose a food made mostly of corn-based products and the like. So, I will only buy grain free kibble. However, I am not such a stickler to think that a dog eating some grain is some kind of unrepentable sin.
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The only reason I'm asking is not cuz I object to an all meat diet, or vice versa...I just see that Acana has alot more variety in their grain-free foods, and I kind of want to take advantage of them down the road.
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Well have been feeding Taste of the Wild using the Salmon & Bison but due to monies problems since my health insurance went up along with food & gas going up this next dog food I get will be cheaper.Yes I know about feeding less of a higher quality dog food but have a dumb MIL & Husband giving me all kinds of grief over how I feed my dogs. Think I will go with Premium Edge ? anyone feed it????? Will not feed grocery store food MIL feeds Pedigree sister feeds Beneful oh my sister gives me grief too.
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I feed 100% raw. Petey has been raw fed for 4 years now, I started him at 20 weeks old. Monty was started 14 weeks old. Both of my boys had soft poops and lots of it on kibble, with Petey I tried all different brands of kibble, grain free and premium and nothing helped, he had many visits to the vet, so with Monty I decided to make the switch 2 weeks after he came home instead of trying to find a kibble he did better on. I love feeding raw, it's easy and if you do it right, it cost only as much as premium kibble. Last week I made Monty a whole wheat, oatmeal, peanut butter biscuit cake for his birthday....he ate two bites of it and stopped, he didn't like it at all. He won't eat most people food unless it has cheese on it. Petey on the other hand inhaled his and was ready to work on Monty's. Petey has become a complete beggar pig since his DCM diagnosis.

Most of the meals I make for my family are also grain free. Myself and my hubby eat Primal/Paleo 90% of the time, and I don't eat Gluten at all. I find that is the diet that we all feel best on.
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I switched to raw after reading label after label trying to figure out the best food for them and was finally ready to take the plunge and see how it would work. I am very happy with it and wish I had started years ago. Tippy the oldest and the most noticable with her were her energy level and her teeth are much cleaner along with her breath. They still eat milk bone dog biscuts, sometimes, get a small piece of bread (I pull the crust off my sandwhiches) and they eat some raw carrots. But most of my treats are homemade boiled meats.
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switched to Orijen Adult after having Duke on Wellness large breed puppy.

I read a lot of posts on here saying that grain free was the way to go and it would mean smaller stools. I have found that to be the case already after one month. Duke use to have messy soft stools 1 out of every 3 times while on Wellness and now he has solid smaller stools all the time. that alone is worth the slight price increase for Orijen. I also feed less Orijen than Wellness because it has more calories per cup than Wellness.
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Having studied dog poop to the point of getting a Master's degree in companion animal nutrition (mostly focused on dogs, but was involved with a lot of cats trials too), I have to say that I totally disagree with the statements about dogs being carnivores. One thing that bothers me about dog feeding, whether it's raw, kibble, mixed or whatever is the huge concern over the amount of poop. To some extent yes, you want to minimize the amount of poop coming out because in it can mean that what you are feeding isn't being digested. However, on the flip side of that you do still want some bulk to the poop as that is very important to colon health. The high end dog foods that produce very little (relatively speaking) and easy to pick up aren't necessarily the greatest in that regard. Vegetation in the diet whether it be grain or otherwise, is important too. Dogs have an omnivorous digestive system...it's seen by the fact that they have certain gut microbes that you wouldn't see in say a cat that is most definitely a total (and in fact obligate) carnivore. These microbes need stuff they can ferment to survive and produce all sorts of good stuff that aids in colon health and often has an impact on overall immune health of the animal. The intestinal tract is of huuuuge importance to the immune system Lots and lots of work out there on how important and beneficial this fermentation is for health. There are also other things about a dog that makes them omnivores, but don't really need to be discussed for this issue

As for grains specifically, I don't think they're good or bad. If a dog can handle 'em, cool. They will offer a way to meet nutrient requirements. If not, there are other things that will. That's what it really comes down to. All that being said, if you feed your dog something that works and they do well hurray! There is no one right answer which is why I usually don't comment too much on food threads unless it pertains to a specific problem that I might be able to offer some idea about

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Oh my.....I don't even know where to begin.....ok the beginning:
When I rescued Rudi almost 6 years ago, I switched him from Iams to EVO chicken....he stayed on that for about 4 years......continued with a thin coat, patchy spots, very dry flaky skin and always a skinny boy with not much of an appetite. He has had full workups, thyroid, has a cardiologist for his mitral valve regurgitation, skin scrapings.
Over the last year I have given massive doses of alaskan salmon oil in his food, switched to Orijen 6 fish, went thru a Fromm phase, Now he has been on Merrick Turducken for about 6 months-without any improvement....I've kept him off of grain because of his coat/skin issues thinking it would exacerbate them. He is not an itchy/scratchy dog and he acts as though it doesn't bother him so I don't hink he will be going to a dermatologist at his age. He had another skinscraping yesterday and it was negative. He was finally put on Soloxine for thyroid a month ago and had repeat labs yesterday, so I'm still waiting to find out. His levels thru the years have always been 1.8, 1.4, 1.6 etc.... So finally after this last vet change someone is interested in having him take a low dose to see if it improves....I guess any level below 2.0 should have a supplement.
Sorry to ramble.......I prefer grain free food. If I adopt the girl I am currently fostering, they may both be switched to TOTW...I'm half tempted to go with Pro Plan....I've done so much research that I'm pulling my hair out!
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I'm voting grain free.

After having Whiskey on other foods (solid gold wolf king, blue buffalo fish & sweetpotato) and having multiple skin issues (he's a fawn) I took the advise of other here and switched to TOTW pacific. After the gradual switch, both Whiskey, and my american cocker, have fully been on it for over two weeks now. Whiskey gets supplements of fish oil and vitamin e as well. His skin i've noticed has been less greasy, and less smelly. As for my cocker, she's got an amazing coat anyhow.

ALSO----their poop is definitely smaller, dryer, nuggets to be specific. Whiskey normally poops twice a day, now it's only once. Lucy will still go two-three times a day, but it's half the amount it used to be.

But bottom line, I did this for Whiskeys skin and coat problems. I'm hoping after 6-8 weeks I will see the real change. I think I made the right choice.
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Luke, my Lab mix, used to be fed Natural Balance Sweet Potato & Fish (grain-free) and he was fine on it but.. I truly believe dogs are carnivores but opportunistic scavengers.

I decided to go 100% raw, and it's been great. Hardly any doggy breath, he poops twice a day (firm stools, not excessive or too little), has a really nice coat, white teeth and more energy than he used to have. I do feed him the occasional string cheese, raw baby carrot or grain-free treat during obedience sessions daily but other than that, strictly raw and I couldn't be happier.

He does his butt wiggle dance when he gets his raw chicken leg quarter, he gets a kick out of tearing the meat off the bone.
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i fed grain free for almost a decade - my dogs were 100% raw. then i tried grain free kibbles when berlin did shitty on raw (no pun intended). she did even shittier, but at least she liked it. tried so many it was ridiculous, but i was feeding over 15 cups of food a day to both dogs combined and my dogs were emaciate and pooping their brains out - EVO, TOTW, you name it, they tried it and it was not working.

enter godsend: purina pro plan performance. grain in a bag. high fat, fiber, protein. whatever it is, its good. berlin loves it. rah loves it. they do WONDERFUL on it. both of them look great. and DONT EAT A TON OF IT.

right now im not changing. i cant see why i would. for the first time berlin isn't crapping her brains out, she's finally an easy keeper and i can feed her so many different things without it making splodey butt.

im sold. future dogs will likely also get started on purina pro plan, too

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One thing I've learned over the years is you have to feed the dog that's standing in front of you, and not get too hung up on a list of ingredients. I've fed grain free diets, I've fed diets with grain-I'm not committed to either. I feed dogs the diet they do best on, and that really can vary by dog.

Right now Connor is eating Eukanuba. Razzle eats Honest Kitchen Keen. Both of these diets have grain in them, and they're the diets on which these particular dogs thrive. The next dog who comes to live here might do better on a grain free diet-if so, then that's what it would be fed.

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Like Murreydobe I feed what the individual dog does well on. So far it's always been a food with grain in it. Usually several grains. My dogs have never had problems eating any grain, including corn, wheat, rice, millet, barley etc. Dogs are NOT strictly speaking carnivores--they are semi-omnivorous scavengers. Cats are true obligate carnivores.

Presently I have one dog who eats Purina ProPlan Sensitive Skin and Stomach, one who eats Kirkland Premium Chicken, Rice and Vegetables (it's actually almost identical to Diamond, who makes it for Costco) top of the line kibble under their own name) and one dog who eats a mixture.

I have tried a number of the higher end kibbles without much success--sloppy stools with some of them, dogs who didn't find them palatable with others. So I pretty much stick to the poorly rated (by the various dog food raters) mid range kibbles by the bigger companies like Iams (I've fed several of the Eukanuba kibbles with success), Purina (various of the ProPlan formulas), Hills (had one dog on a prescription diet for 6 years).

I don't feed lamb based kibbles--I've had bad luck with those--poor coats, smelly dogs and trouble maintaining weight--so I don't even try them any more. And I don't switch food at all unless some dog isn't doing well on the diet he is on--a vet dermatologist/allergist pointed out many years ago when I had taken someone elses dog in for an appointment that with the variety of protein bases (and it's the protein in a kibble that is more commonly the cause of food allergies than the grain content) being readily available and all the food switching going on it gets nearly impossibly to do a food elimination diet since a lot of dogs have been fed everything at one time or another.

I really want to be able, if a food allergy is suspected to find a novel protein and carbohydrate and find out if it is food or something else that the dog is reacting to.

I looked at raw years ago when the first wave of raw feeding started--did a lot of research and made a decision that it wasn't something I wanted to do. I've revisited the whole idea several times and it still remains something I don't really want to do.

As it is, my dogs have cast iron stomachs and can eat pretty much anything without having bouts of blow out diarrhea or puking their guts up. The only allergy in my pets is a cat who is, literally, allergic to protein--it started when he was about six months old and got worse with age--he would have been a dead cat by now if it weren't for a hydrolized protein kibble from Royal Canin--his system doesn't recognize it as a specific protein so he can eat it--as he can not eat anything else--if you read the ingredients you'd cringe--but for him it works.
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are they carnivores?

I'm not arguing at all.......I just always think of them as omnivores......

does anyone know?
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yes dogs are carnivores
and all my animals eat grain free. my pup eats raw
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Actually, they are indeed omnivores . There are oh so many differences between dogs and true carnivores that trying to take away how cool it is that they have the ability to eat vegetable matter in addition to meat upsets me a bit!

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I dont feed grain because dogs and cats cant digest them properly So its really just a filler in the food.

Why can’t dogs and cats digest grains and starches?
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BLARG it bugs the crap out of me when people say dogs are carnivores so they must only eat meat. This is just NOT true. I dont think there is anything wrong with feeding raw and wyatt was fed raw for a while - but dogs dont NEED to be grain free. Do what works for your dog!! Dogs are facultative carnivores.

"Animals that depend solely on animal flesh for their nutrient requirements are considered obligate carnivores while those that also consume non-animal food are considered facultative carnivores"
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