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Hello everyone I want to know what you do and recommend for raw food diets? I want to start feeding my four month male puppy raw food; how much do I give him now and when he's older to be in shape? What types of meat and vegetables and other things you add for nutritions? How do I switch him over from dog food to raw? I have began reading a few books but wanted to know what people are doing and what works for them or has not.
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I took the easy way out and feed Darwin's Raw Natural Selections. I had wanted to feed raw for awhile, and my Doberman is super picky. At the time I lived in a very small loft with an apartment sized freezer and no room for a chest freezer. Darwin's is super convenient and Juneau loves it. I like that they have five meat varieties, use organic vegetables, hormone free meats, and list the nutritional details of the food on their site. The packaging is clean and convenient. Also, I'm kind of squeamish about feeding whole bones, and hadn't wanted to feed raw until I could get a commercial grinder. Darwin's grinds lol. Who knows, maybe someday I'll make my own raw. In the meantime this is a great option.


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Hello everyone I want to know what you do and recommend for raw food diets? I want to start feeding my four month male puppy raw food; how much do I give him now and when he's older to be in shape? What types of meat and vegetables and other things you add for nutritions? How do I switch him over from dog food to raw? I have began reading a few books but wanted to know what people are doing and what works for them or has not.
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You're reading and that is great. Understanding the 'whys' with raw is very important. Many people depend on companies and staff to educate them and I truly believe it is a necessity to understand raw. What is considered meat what is offal.
Always go by weight and body condition. We recommend starting with 2-3% of adult weight but you have to watch body condition. If puppy gets chubby you need to decrease your percentages and if puppy is losing weight you need to increase.
There is no one percentage that works for every dog. I have one dog at 1.5%, one at 2% and one at 4.5% to maintain a healthy body weight. With the exception of my 17 year old dog I am almost constantly adjusting weights to maintain a body condition I am content with on my dogs.

At his age you may very well be able to get away with switching cold turkey to raw. With puppies I don't often recommend a fast before switching.
Utilizing premade during the switch is for most a good idea as bone percentages are already calculated. This is a good thing as there is no guess work with bone/muscle meat ratios.

Read up, look for local raw feeding co-ops or Fb groups. You may be able to find a mentor to help you through the hump of the first few weeks


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Hello! For feeding raw you'll want to invest in a freezer (to freeze all the meat you'll be acquiring) and you'll need to find a local butcher or vendor of some sort that can help you get different types of meat, organs, etc. It can be a tricky process. I myself was interested in RAW feeding our Dobe but you have to be committed to providing a lot of variety to get them a well-balanced, nutritional diet and preferably don't travel much.

Since we like to travel, it's just too much of a hassle to feed him RAW, as well as the time factor. You have to be dedicated to spend some time every week preparing, freezing meals and providing all the necessary nutrients they need. To me and many others on the forum, it is easy to obsess over this and many find it just easier to feed a high quality grade kibble. We feed Zuko Taste of the Wild and he does just fine, though I'lll feed him the occasional raw egg, chicken, etc.

While feeding RAW is great for dogs and has many health benefits, you want to be realistic with yourself and your dog. And the beauty of feeding RAW is, there is no one way to do it. But you generally spend quite a bit of time preparing and finding good quality meats. Are you willing to spend the next 12 years looking for different meats and veggies, freezing the meat, thawing them on a daily basis, and then providing additional supplements like vitamins (fish oil tabs, etc.) every day? Do you travel, or are you more home-bound? Do you have children, do you work full-time, etc? Things like this could severely impact your ability to feed RAW, as it will take time away from other things. What happens when you go on vacation? Are you willing to freeze and have someone feed your dog RAW when you are gone?

This forum has lots of helpful threads about RAW feeding, you can learn so much by searching the threads.

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Hello! For feeding raw you'll want to invest in a freezer (to freeze all the meat you'll be acquiring) and you'll need to find a local butcher or vendor of some sort that can help you get different types of meat, organs, etc. It can be a tricky process. I myself was interested in RAW feeding our Dobe but you have to be committed to providing a lot of variety to get them a well-balanced, nutritional diet and preferably don't travel much.

Since we like to travel, it's just too much of a hassle to feed him RAW, as well as the time factor. You have to be dedicated to spend some time every week preparing, freezing meals and providing all the necessary nutrients they need. To me and many others on the forum, it is easy to obsess over this and many find it just easier to feed a high quality grade kibble. We feed Zuko Taste of the Wild and he does just fine, though I'lll feed him the occasional raw egg, chicken, etc.

While feeding RAW is great for dogs and has many health benefits, you want to be realistic with yourself and your dog. And the beauty of feeding RAW is, there is no one way to do it. But you generally spend quite a bit of time preparing and finding good quality meats. Are you willing to spend the next 12 years looking for different meats and veggies, freezing the meat, thawing them on a daily basis, and then providing additional supplements like vitamins (fish oil tabs, etc.) every day? Do you travel, or are you more home-bound? Do you have children, do you work full-time, etc? Things like this could severely impact your ability to feed RAW, as it will take time away from other things. What happens when you go on vacation? Are you willing to freeze and have someone feed your dog RAW when you are gone?

This forum has lots of helpful threads about RAW feeding, you can learn so much by searching the threads.
Im sorry but if you don't feed raw, why are you spouting such things? While an extra freezer helps it is Not quintessential. with a well rounded diet one doesn't have to offer a multitude of supplements. I feed raw, I have children, I compete and travel and yet the approximate 4 hours (or less) I spend prepping meats or treats impacts my life not one whit. It is something I do gladly to ensure I am feeding the absolute best diet to my dogs I can.
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I also like knowing that I am feeding the best food that I can, and have not been put out by supplement management or anything else. I know that pre-made is an easy way out, but it does address SO many of the issues brought up, if one finds them to be issues. I travel all the time—at least every other month, and recently spent two weeks abroad—and none of my dog sitters have found it difficult or aversive to thaw and feed the pre packaged food. I think that if the OP decides that raw will be best then they can find a way to make it work with their lifestyle.


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Im sorry but if you don't feed raw, why are you spouting such things? While an extra freezer helps it is Not quintessential. with a well rounded diet one doesn't have to offer a multitude of supplements. I feed raw, I have children, I compete and travel and yet the approximate 4 hours (or less) I spend prepping meats or treats impacts my life not one whit. It is something I do gladly to ensure I am feeding the absolute best diet to my dogs I can.

I apologize if you thought I was spouting, but I'm going based off of what I have researched, seen others mention and recommend, and the vast majority seem to suggest having a designated freezer for their dogs if fed RAW. I have one fridge and it is packed every week to the brim with human food, so Zuko's meat would simply not fit. So that's why I suggested that. I hear of many supplementing with different vitamins, regardless of feeding RAW or kibble. The difference between you and the OP is that You aren't exactly a novice owner, many years of experience with feeding RAW as well as making everything work with children, traveling, shows, etc, but not all people are like that.

It's clear that your life is focused very much around your dogs, with the time you spend preparing, traveling and competing with your dogs, but not everyone has the same time you do and may not have the resources to devote to making their dog's every meal. Especially if you work full-time, in a career that does not involve your dogs in any way, like I do. Not saying that it is impossible if you work, but it does take time to prep. Of course not working or staying at home is ideal for this kind of thing, but not everyone is so lucky. Not sure if you have a career outside of your dogs, but that itself makes it quite hard to find the time to meal-prep. That is why I suggested it. I guess the bottom line I was trying to get at, was that you have to have the time, the resources, the space, and you can't just feed them chicken legs every day. Hope that clears things up a little!

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You keep mentioning time...
I spend approximately 4 hours a month prepping food. Some months I spend zero time prepping.

I find it offensive when people who have zero experience feeding raw start counselling people on what they 'have' to do and just how much time is involved.
Feeding raw isn't difficult it's not always time consuming. It truly depends on how one does it. I know many many people who work compete and travel they have families and lives outside of dogs and yet they have no issues spending whatever time is needed to sort themselves out.


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Just because I don't feed raw doesn't mean I am disqualified to respond to this thread. I offered my own insight and explained the reasons why I don't feed raw. I would need more space. I would need to find a supplier or butcher. I would need to spend four hours a month prepping, like you said.

Yes, I keep mentioning time. For me I just don't want to spend that much time prepping, whether it is four hours or twenty hours, it's just not for me. I have enough going on working, trying to stay in shape, planning my own family's meals, cooking said meals, taking care of my other animals, let alone Zuko. At least at the moment. I am still considering switching in the future, but at the moment just not in the cards. I accept that people have their own opinions when it comes to feeding raw, but at the end of the day whether feeding raw or kibble we just love our dogs. That's why we're all here on this forum.

I'm hoping some other raw feeders can comment on this and add their own experiences, how long it takes them each month to prep, where they get heir meat supply, and what variety they feed. Maybe someone could provide a 'here's what I feed my dog every week' kind of plan, that could help the OP out a lot.
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Just because I don't feed raw doesn't mean I am disqualified to respond to this thread.

Maybe someone could provide a 'here's what I feed my dog every week' kind of plan, that could help the OP out a lot.
Actually it does. You don't feed raw you have zero real world knowledge on what goes into feeding raw, so your opinion is an uneducated 'I won't do it because I don't want to commit the time to my dog' Opinion.


The reality of it is, the OP needs education. The op needs to do the foot work and figure out if raw a feasible for where they live and their finances. Fwiw I spend less time prepping raw than my best friend does going to the store to purchasing dog food each month...

I can tell the op exactly what I feed and when, but that won't help them, if they don't understand the why's or if they don't have those particular proteins available to them.


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At first raw was a little daunting and overwhelming for me. I hadn't done my homework and stopped after a month. I took a month to really figure it out and I've never looked back. We are coming up to 7 years in April.

It takes me no more time to feed Coco raw than it did kibble now that I've got the hang of it. I love knowing exactly what she's eating. She did horribly on all kinds of kibble but had no trouble at all going to raw. I just started feeding her raw one day. No transition necessary.

I have extra freezer space which is good to have to stock on deals. I only feed human grade raw so it's really just raw meat that I would serve to my family although we don't eat as varied of proteins as she does! Coco can eat anything such as goat, beef, chicken, turkey, Beaver, emu, oxtail, bison and pheasant. She does not like pork or fish raw but sometimes I lightly sautee them for her because she also enjoys when I cook for her. She's got me well trained! She also eats lots of raw bones, various organs, hearts and chicken feet regularly.

Read up and decide if it's something you want to pursue. If you start and decide it's not for you, go back to kibble. Good luck.
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I apologize if you thought I was spouting, but I'm going based off of what I have researched, seen others mention and recommend, and the vast majority seem to suggest having a designated freezer for their dogs if fed RAW.
I agree with SieYa - if you don't feed raw then you don't really know what you are talking about. You are only repeating something someone else has said or written without validating it, right?

I don't defrost every day - I use a container in the fridge and put 3-4 day's worth of food in there to slowly defrost. I buy from a co-op and pick up a delivery every month or 2. I have plenty of existing freezer space so didn't need to get extra freezers.

I feed RMB mainly - raw meaty bones. If their poop gets chalky, I decrease the amount of bone by adding more meat. I don't have to worry about food recalls since I only feed human grade food. I don't worry about running out because I can always use my own food if needed. I don't add veggies except for a little shredded greens with breakfast.


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Just because I don't feed raw doesn't mean I am disqualified to respond to this thread. I offered my own insight and explained the reasons why I don't feed raw. I would need more space. I would need to find a supplier or butcher. I would need to spend four hours a month prepping, like you said.

Yes, I keep mentioning time. For me I just don't want to spend that much time prepping, whether it is four hours or twenty hours, it's just not for me. I have enough going on working, trying to stay in shape, planning my own family's meals, cooking said meals, taking care of my other animals, let alone Zuko. At least at the moment. I am still considering switching in the future, but at the moment just not in the cards. I accept that people have their own opinions when it comes to feeding raw, but at the end of the day whether feeding raw or kibble we just love our dogs. That's why we're all here on this forum.

I'm hoping some other raw feeders can comment on this and add their own experiences, how long it takes them each month to prep, where they get heir meat supply, and what variety they feed. Maybe someone could provide a 'here's what I feed my dog every week' kind of plan, that could help the OP out a lot.
You should save your input for the thread headed "Why I don't feed Raw" instead of misleading a newcomer with rumors and assumptions.


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So if I’m not an alcoholic, I can’t comment on the issue of drinking too much?

OF COURSE, I’m not comparing RAW feeding to an awful disease, but, to make a point....everyone has the right to post on our forum, even if something is only their opinion, provided they don’t break the forum rules.

We need input from both sides to present to the OP--if we give information (including opinions about an issue) reasonably presented with our reasons for feeling as we do, OP can make a decision about what works for them.

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I quit feeding raw, mainly for the reasons jeitzen mentioned, the need for finding the food in the first place, of freezer space for storing it, and time spent prepping. And I only fed partly raw.


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I feed kibble in the morning and raw at night. I don't find the raw to be overly difficult to prepare. I buy in bulk from my local raw coop, I have an extra freezer in my garage, and I thaw a couple days worth of food at a time in my regular fridge. I portion out the food once its thawed, that probably takes 30 minutes to do, and I do that about two times a week. I usually buy premade mixes, although I do also buy organ mix so that I can mix it other meat. I try to rotate proteins, we do chicken, turkey, rabbit, beef, venison, and alpaca. I give sardines once a week or so. I also like to add Green JuJu to their meals.

I keep kibble in the mix because my dad watches my dogs at his house fairly regularly and he's not setup to feed raw. Also, I have a Great Dane and a Doberman, so space wise I would find it difficult to thaw everything without having a dedicated fridge.
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I feed kibble in the morning and raw at night. I don't find the raw to be overly difficult to prepare. I buy in bulk from my local raw coop, I have an extra freezer in my garage, and I thaw a couple days worth of food at a time in my regular fridge. I portion out the food once its thawed, that probably takes 30 minutes to do, and I do that about two times a week. I usually buy premade mixes, although I do also buy organ mix so that I can mix it other meat. I try to rotate proteins, we do chicken, turkey, rabbit, beef, venison, and alpaca. I give sardines once a week or so. I also like to add Green JuJu to their meals.

I keep kibble in the mix because my dad watches my dogs at his house fairly regularly and he's not setup to feed raw. Also, I have a Great Dane and a Doberman, so space wise I would find it difficult to thaw everything without having a dedicated fridge.

This actually sounds like a really cool way to incorporate both kibble and raw together! Looks like a great variety. I don't know if I could switch to all raw but doing half and half could potentially work out really well. Especially if we are away and have to bring him to daycare. Thanks for sharing.

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So if I’m not an alcoholic, I can’t comment on the issue of drinking too much?

OF COURSE, I’m not comparing RAW feeding to an awful disease, but, to make a point....everyone has the right to post on our forum, even if something is only their opinion, provided they don’t break the forum rules.

We need input from both sides to present to the OP--if we give information (including opinions about an issue) reasonably presented with our reasons for feeling as we do, OP can make a decision about what works for them.
I see your point melbrod but I also see SieYa and vivienne's as actual raw feeders with first hand experience.

I tend not to comment in the threads about what is the best kibble to feed my dog because I do not have any good experience with feeding kibble to Coco to share with others. The same goes for staying out of all the threads asking for help with posting cropped ears because I have a natural eared girl and have zero experience with this.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions on here but when someone asks for actual information about their question, I think it is important to get answers from those who may be more in the know. Just my 2 cents.

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I'm new to this raw thing... as for now I'm feeding pre packaged raw but it is becoming very pricey as my blue doberman already eats 4 patties a day, twice a day. The bag comes at $35.99 plus tax and it only lasts about a week or so. I would love to get into preparing my own as he enjoys raw more then kibble been really overwhelmed as to how to start or where to start.

I have noticed the top of his fur brittle and some shedding, I was told and advised from the breeder I bought him from to only feed RAW and add oils. Hes been on antibiotics twice already since I got him but his coat has yet to improve.... any help or experience with blues would be much appreciated.


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I have fed raw for many years now. We are BUSY and work fulltime, have horses, cottages and anywhere from 1-3 dogs at any time. It is not more expensive for me. I do use mostly prepared mince currently. I add offal and tripe. I do not believe a healthy kibble exists so for me even if it was time consuming and expensive I would still feed raw.

Contrary to what jeitzen said (all of it really) you do not need to add fruit and veg. You can if cooked or pureed. I do for some additional fibre here and there. It is not really required and tripe does provide some greens along with all the other benefits.

To those in defence of jeitzen I think the feeling is that they are providing some misleading information. You have a bunch of 100% raw feeders saying you don't have to have a separate freezer, it won't take up all your time etc.

If time is the big concern I have to wonder why you would have Dobes. Feeding them is nothing compared to the time I invest on training and exercising them. They are not a low maintenance breed and one with many health issues so for me 1 big factor that I do have control over is providing them the best diet I can in the hopes that it buys me more healthy years with them.

If you truly believe kibble is that then go ahead but for me I know it isn't.
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I have noticed the top of his fur brittle and some shedding, I was told and advised from the breeder I bought him from to only feed RAW and add oils. Hes been on antibiotics twice already since I got him but his coat has yet to improve.... any help or experience with blues would be much appreciated.
Quite frankly, that's probably more related to his color than his diet. Blue and fawn Dobermans usually suffer from a condition called Color Dilution Alopecia, and will lose at least some of their coat. https://www.animaldermatology.com/ne...st-august-2010


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