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The Truth About Why Dead/Diseased Animals Go To Pet Food

The Truth about Why Dead/Diseased Animals goes to Pet Food – Truth about Pet Food

"The real reason dead, decomposing animals are dumped into pet food: the material is too dangerous to landfill. The FDA has decided pets are living landfills, the best place to dispose of dangerous animal material.

In a recent meeting with FDA, the agency stated some haunting things. One: when FDA was asked directly… if the agency will continue to ignore law allowing (illegal) diseased, dead animals to become pet food ingredients after certain risk was discussed (endotoxins) – the agency said…

'We’re going to allow animals that have died other than by slaughter that are further processed; we will allow those ingredients in pet food. But hopefully people would not use that protein in a raw pet food diet.”

In the same meeting when FDA was questioned about the massive amounts of dead/diseased livestock being sent to pet food, the agency stated: 'So 3 billion plus animals should go to landfills?' .....


.... In our meeting, when we pushed FDA to enforce existing law the agency stated*“So 3 billion plus animals should go to landfills?”
My initial response was*“So you want pets become living landfills?”*After the meeting, as I learned more, this is exactly what is happening. Pets have become living landfills for material that is too dangerous to ground landfill and too much of an expense to farmers to dispose of properly/safely.

FDA has chosen – without remorse – to allow pets to consume dangerous, illegal pet foods. FDA has chosen pets to be living landfills. All pet food consumers deserve to know which pet foods/treats contain dangerous, illegal ingredients. A pet food/treat*warning label is required."


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This is interesting and I didn't know this. I knew unwanted horses went to dog food. I wonder how long it's been going on?

Although, without further researching, one would think there must be a safe way of doing this because, if not, all of our pets would be getting sick of the very same diseases?

What are your thoughts Linda?
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This is interesting and I didn't know this. I knew unwanted horses went to dog food. I wonder how long it's been going on?

Although, without further researching, one would think there must be a safe way of doing this because, if not, all of our pets would be getting sick of the very same diseases?

What are your thoughts Linda?
Horse meat doesn't often show up in dog food.
When they run for specific protein DNA horse meat is a very small percentage.
Pets who eat these foods dont get sick due to way pet foods are processed. Does this make utilizing garbage acceptable? Never


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I just link articles I think would be of interest, what people SHOULD know about ingredients that goe into some dog foods.

There are laws against 4D animals going into pet food. I don't think laws would have been put on the books if there wasn't serious risks involved.

I also do think pets die every day from being fed foods that contain human food manufactures waste/garbage, diseases, pesticides, rotten animals, spoiled grains, etc. They may not die a sudden jarring puke diarrhea, blood pouring from all orafices, but more a slow general poor health. As SieYa said before surviving but not thriving.

We all know diet can have an effect on cancers and other illnesses developing. This has to be true for our pets as well. Plus there are laws that are enforced to protect us from harmful ingredients, not so for our pets, not enforced anyway!

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But in the article it made it sound like the sources aren't listed so how would you know if it was in your dog food or not?
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But in the article it made it sound like the sources aren't listed so how would you know if it was in your dog food or not?

Because outside agencies ran profiles on several foods. Let's just say your food may claim to be only X protein, but that is often not the case.


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Thanks for the share Linda. This just reinforces why I feed Coco human grade raw. I always know what she is eating.

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Because outside agencies ran profiles on several foods. Let's just say your food may claim to be only X protein, but that is often not the case.
Eh? So you are saying that if you were "lucky enough" to have an outside research organization test, profile and publish the exact food that you were feeding your dogs, you might be privy to the content? This of course is assuming that this "memo" crosses your desk.

Hardly answers G_R's question.
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Pretty much... except that anyone interested in the truth about pet foods have access to the information.
This is why being able to trust a manufacturer is important.
While one would think that purchasing pet foods with 'named' food sources would make one safe. The reality of it is, it has been proven time and time again that IF a manufacturer runs out of X during a batch run they can and will substitute whatever they can access regardless of the ingredients list.

Manufacturers that truly seem to care (None of the big 4 qualify fyi) that run smaller batches are not the ones using 'garbage' in their foods.
The biggest offenders are the big4 and any of the foods under their purview have proven trustworthy for matching the ingredients list.


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Thanks for the share Linda. This just reinforces why I feed Coco human grade raw. I always know what she is eating.
I'm looking for an organic raw company. It would be nice if they deliver but I haven't found one yet. I've gotten some good leads that I hope to check out soon.
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Scary stuff to me. No wonder my poor girl had so many problems processing kibble her first year. Who really knows what is in it?!

It makes sense when you see the posts from people saying they have consistently fed such and such kibble for so long but they just opened a new bag and their dog seems unwell. Maybe the manufacturer used a different "protein" source that is making their dog feel unwell.

I'm no canine nutrition expert but this stuff interests me and reinforces that the next puppy/dog I have will be raw fed from the get go at my house.


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I'm looking for an organic raw company. It would be nice if they deliver but I haven't found one yet. I've gotten some good leads that I hope to check out soon.
I truly hope you find something that works for you. Raw seems overwhelming at first but once you've got the hang of it, it is as easy as feeding kibble. Congrats on doing your research!

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I truly hope you find something that works for you. Raw seems overwhelming at first but once you've got the hang of it, it is as easy as feeding kibble. Congrats on doing your research!
I don't plan on going 100% raw but would like to try to do it as often as time allows.

I found a place but it's an hour away and you have to buy 40lbs of liver and 25lbs of heart. I don't have the room for all of that lol. and then cutting it all up and storing it.... AIN'T NO ONE GOT TIME OR ROOM FOR THAT!!! LOL
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Pretty much... except that anyone interested in the truth about pet foods have access to the information.
This is why being able to trust a manufacturer is important.
While one would think that purchasing pet foods with 'named' food sources would make one safe. The reality of it is, it has been proven time and time again that IF a manufacturer runs out of X during a batch run they can and will substitute whatever they can access regardless of the ingredients list.

Manufacturers that truly seem to care (None of the big 4 qualify fyi) that run smaller batches are not the ones using 'garbage' in their foods.
The biggest offenders are the big4 and any of the foods under their purview have proven trustworthy for matching the ingredients list.
Do you have this information? I know I've read up on bi-product but I never read that it was diseased animals.... It would be nice to see this information if you could link to this that would be great! I think it could really help A LOT of people! Many come on here asking why they should feed this or that food, if we know of manufactures proven to include these ingredients I think we should post it.
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Really? Because I have no issue spending 2 hours a month sorting my meats out...

The Internet is a wonder tool....


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I've got an extra fridge with freezer in my garage for Coco. ��

I'm lucky because I have a store literally around the corner from me that is sourced from only human grade meats and organs. People buy liver and oxtail there for themselves to eat!! She packages things in 1 or 2 pound bags so I don't have to buy big quantities like that but I also go to ethnic grocery stores and buy things so sometimes I have to process and bag my finds. My husband bought me a cleaver for Christmas several years ago lol.

If I had to buy the big quantities at this stage I would because I am all in for the benefits of raw feeding!! But to each their own. It has to work for you and your dogs.

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I'm lucky because I have a store literally around the corner from me that is sourced from only human grade meats and organs. People buy liver and oxtail there for themselves to eat!! She packages things in 1 or 2 pound bags so I don't have to buy big quantities like that but I also go to ethnic grocery stores and buy things so sometimes I have to process and bag my finds. My husband bought me a cleaver for Christmas several years ago lol.

If I had to buy the big quantities at this stage I would because I am all in for the benefits of raw feeding!! But to each their own. It has to work for you and your dogs.
It's more about not having the room to store. My house is only 1600 square feet! Between the dpca, the rescue, my roommate and the dogs there's zero room! I would Love to someday have an extra freezer! Of course and there's the time bit too! My friends and roommate ask if I sleep or relax! There's just too much to do! If I could get another 20hours in a week I'd be set!

That's what I'm looking for is a place where I can get organic meals already set and ready to serve. or at the very least in smaller portions! I know they're out there I just have to find them.
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Really? Because I have no issue spending 2 hours a month sorting my meats out...

The Internet is a wonder tool....
I'm glad you have those extra 2 hours! We all need to make more time for that kind of stuff I wish I did! I keep telling myself to cut more out of my schedule! To learn to say "no" but every time I drop something I pick up more stuff!

I'm trying to figure out how I'm going to do IPO 2x a week and tracking once a week with Gretchen while trying to do conformation, IPO and OB training with Mav! And work, and show and barn hunt..... I haven't figured out how people do all of this!!!
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But in the article it made it sound like the sources aren't listed so how would you know if it was in your dog food or not?

One has to do their own research! Ask your dog food company where they source their meats. Any reputable company will be more than happy to tell you. It's even better if you email, so you have a written record.

I have discovered if they start hedging on answering your questions, there is something they are hiding or don't want you to know. A company should be proud of where they source ingredients, not trying to cover it up.

I know there are only quality ingredients in Nature's Logic. They also signed Susan Thixton's pledge and have an open book policy in order to be on her approved pet food list. http://associationfortruthinpetfood.com/the-pledge/

Need to check Natures Variety Instinct again as just resumed buying it.

Most of those types of 4D animals will be going into pet foods that are the cheaper ones on grocery store shelves, but certainly not all.

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The thing is I really don't trust any company to tell the truth, sad but true. I was hoping there was an independent study out there that I didn't know about.
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The thing is I really don't trust any company to tell the truth, sad but true. I was hoping there was an independent study out there that I didn't know about.
I think this statement speaks volumes!! If you can't trust the manufacturer to tell the truth about what exactly is in their kibble, how can you feel confident feeding your dog's that kibble??

Points to ponder and I'm not trying to start a debate regarding kibble and raw diets. I have always said it is an individual choice and has to work for you and your dog's.

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Natures Variety raw. Has anyone heard of this? Are they organic?
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I've never heard of them but I don't use any premade raw products. I just googled their website and quickly skimmed the faqs. Hopefully this link works for you. FAQ's - Safety and Quality | Nature's Variety

I see that it's not considered human grade food as one of the faqs although it says in another one it is appropriate for an organic diet. Maybe this is normal for premade raw? That confuses me a little but I don't use premade raw so I really don't know.

Sieya do you know anything about this product or any of the other raw feeders?

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I've never heard of them but I don't use any premade raw products. I just googled their website and quickly skimmed the faqs. Hopefully this link works for you. FAQ's - Safety and Quality | Nature's Variety

I see that it's not considered human grade food as one of the faqs although it says in another one it is appropriate for an organic diet. Maybe this is normal for premade raw? That confuses me a little but I don't use premade raw so I really don't know.

Sieya do you know anything about this product or any of the other raw feeders?
There's another pet food store that I haven't checked out. It's important to me that the meet be organic, as in free range and no added hormones.
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