smudgeid

Check out the link in post 3. It's where recommendations about cropping vets are placed.
Kate

VZ-Doberman

I tried to help you, I was courteous even though I didn't see why you're so concerned with the crop being a top rate show crop......But a rant like that directed at members here deserves a reply like this......


Leave the ears natural, save the ear crop money for upcoming medical problems. This is a breed rife with medical issues. You don't even know if the ears can handle a long show crop. Ear set/leather can decide the type of ear crop. Great croppers match the crop to the dog. It's not a matter of one size fits all.

RubyRed12

(Originally Posted by chevyssjp*
Omg people im not saying i dont care about anything yall saying. Health or DISEASE, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT EAR CROPPING VETS Or VET HOSPITOL IN LOUISIANAAA. How about this , I dont have a dog yet and thinking about getting a doberman . And when its time for cropping its ears could any one help or recommend a good vet or place to get ear croppings done in Louisiana., Miss, or Alabama. IF your replying to my post and it doesnt help or answer my question, dont bother. Jesus)

OP,( Chevyssjp ) I know what you're saying, there are to many people on this site that think they are know it alls when it comes to dobes and they get very judgmental about you if you do something different than they do! All you wanted was some advice or recommendation on a good vet! Kudos to you for giving the puppy a good home and good medical care!
About getting the dog from a less than reputable breeder oh well! At least this pup will have a good home! People need to understand that byb will always be there, you can get an "unhealthy" dog from "reputable" breeders also!
A friend of mine got a puppy from a reputable breeder and that poor pup had many medical issues where as another friend got his pup from a byb and had no medical issues. Good breeders can not always guarantee health! This site is for advice not judgment!
Also not all good reputable breeders will crop ears before giving you the pup! If they do the price of the cropping is put into the price of the pup ie $1000+..... The breeder I got my pup from didn't have her ears cropped I had it done! The breeder I got from is a reputable breeder in AZ, i met his other customers and a lot of them were returning customers. So that whole "a good reputable breeder will already have the ears cropped before placing pups in new home" is mute..... Means nothing!!!! Just saying!
OP if I were you I would go check out the different vets, talk with them, see pics of previous crop jobs and go with your gut. Good luck!

KevinK

Not to jump on the bandwagon, but since you brought it up, here's how I look at it, if you ever find yourself in that situation. Shady breeders are typically after 1 thing, and 1 thing only. MONEY. So, by giving these people money for their dogs, what is often happening, is you are funding a future breeding. So, did you save a dog, in reality? Or did you open up the door for 10 new pups that will be on the ground in the same situation with the money you gave. Just some food for thought, not a bash in any way, we all start somewhere.

As far as ear crops, I can't help, the local guys can do that. If there are any GOOD breeders in the area, I would call them and see who they use for their pups.

KevinK

Good breeders will always do the crop and aftercare before the dog leaves so you don't have to do that kind of thing. This not only ensures consistency, and the fact that they 100% know it was done right, by trusted vets who they have worked with for a while, but it also prevents rookie mistakes in aftercare, and really cuts down on the work & research you have to do.

RubyRed12

I'm sorry but you get that with ALL breeds not just dobes! Does it suck that byb are around? Yes, it does but at least someone tried to save them! Trust me living in AZ I see A LOT of byb and their dogs/pups getting dropped off into the desert to fend for themselves! How about you judge the people doing the dumping! Stop judging others! Geez!

KevinK

Purchasing a dog from an unethical breeder is in no way, shape or form saving lives. It does more harm than good, and is a dangerous outlook... just saying. If people stop funding the next breedings by giving them money, there's no more dogs to be dumped, because they stop breeding when they money stops flowing.

RubyRed12

Really? So having them dumped into the desert is saving them? No matter if you pay them or not all they will do is dump the puppies wait for the female to go into heat and have more litters! Happens all the time. At least one of the "paid for" pups will have a fighting chance! Get off your high horse and stop judging others!!!!!

KevinK

I'm not judging anyone, and there's no high horse. Just saying why this is a skewed viewpoint. By purchasing these dogs, you are DIRECTLY funding future dogs being dumped. Buy the entire next litter, and what happens? There's another one right behind it, being funded, again, directly by the purchasers. People don't buy them, breeders stop breeding. Supply and demand... THink about it... Did you save ONE dog, or potentially KILL 10 if the next litter doesn't get adopted, and they get dumped? That's how I look at it. Too many people think they are "saving" a dog, and the reality is, they are only making the problem worse by giving more incentive to continue breeding.

If you want to save dogs, contact your local rescues. They are being killed every single day, and they money you donate goes towards saving new lives, as opposed to putting more lives in jeapordy.

Brandy&Melanie

Ahem. Let me bring up my vicious cycle.

1.) Person purchases abused puppy from BYB.
2.) BYB uses that money to buy more puppies to abuse.
3.) More people purchase puppies to support the breeder, *cough cough* I meansave the puppies from the BYB's terrible clutches, and be heroes.
4.) BYB uses that money to buy new puppies to abuse.

On and on it goes..

When they "dump" the puppies, that would be the time to rescue them. Common sense.. Then you aren't rewarding the BYB with money.

Sure,if you buy a pup, that one is saved, but it does not add up to all the other puppies that you basically paid the BYB to mistreat and breed later. Just saying..

You wanna be a "hero", go to a RESCUE!

ETA: KevinK beat me to it

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VZ-Doberman

The point you were attempting to make would me moot not mute.

As to the rest of it I suggest you remember where you are. If the members here have opinions not to your liking you can find a new home elsewhere. In the meantime while you are here try to learn from the others before you make posts showing your ignorance of the problem. Anyone who gives someone an "atta girl" for financing a byb is as much a problem as the buyer and the byb.

So since you brought it up, tell us about your "reputable breeder" in AZ. Please elaborate on what makes your breeder as good as the breeders here on DT. If you can't/won't help with solving the problem of bybs, refrain from promoting them.

KevinK

RubyRed, I just saw one of your other posts in the housebreaking one, and saw you got your pup at 7 weeks. Seriously, I don't mean this as a bash, or in a mean way, but please do some research on why this is not a good idea, for future reference. You say you got your dog from a good, reputable breeder, but good reputable breeders do not sell 7 week old dogs. This is not only illegal in many places, but it's unethical everywhere. I got a little curious, and looked through some other posts, and I have to say, I DO think that you are trying your best, and I DO think that you genuinely mean well. That's why I'm urging you to continue your research, continue learning, and I think you will be ok. Your dog left his litter in a critical fear imprint stage, and missed very important socialization with his littermates, and could very well be the reason why your dog started submissive peeing in the house. Many times we don't realize how all of these things are intertwined, then down the road you learn something new, and say "Hey, remember when xxxxx.... i bet it was because of yyyyyy... wish I knew that back then". Leaving littermates early, especially during fear imprint stages can often have life-long effects, as behaviors, thoughts, fears, (irrational and not) learned during these stage can often not be "undone". They can be worked on, yes. But these types of issues that often arise can really only be downplayed, they will most likely be there forever. Important stuff to learn about.

So honestly, just trying to help, please don't take offense to the posts.

RubyRed12

Hahaha! That would "be" not "me"!!!! If you wanna start correcting people! See you people are judging others who do not agree with you! How bout you go to all these byb and spay and neuter their dogs if you wanna help!?! You people may not look at it like others are "saving" but if they are who cares! Don't judge them! It's not just the byb who are the problem it's also people who dump their dogs/puppies at these rescues and shelters! Dogs are a life long responsibility not til I don't want it anymore or I'm moving responsibility. My ignorance?!? Lol I'm not the one judging someone else whom I don't know or know nothing about their situation!
How about you try to get to know people and their situations before making judgments!?! Is this your site? Are you the creator? No? Then take your opinions somewhere else!!!! This is suppose to be for ADVICE not judgment!
My breeder bred for the good, and love of the dog! They did all the health testing and my pup parents do NOT have the Z factor. They have repeat customers and are well known and have a great rep. With the AKC! They had dew claws and tail done! I had the ear cropping done myself. I also have contact with my breeder as they wanted updated pictures! And we also get together once a month to have a play date with my girls litter mates.
This site is suppose to be for us as Dobe owners to share our experiences and get advice on any issues we run into with our dobes NOT to judge others for where they got their Dobe! We all have one thing in common and that's OUR LOVE for our dobes!

RubyRed12

Yes, I got my pup at 7 weeks.... In AZ that is legal and she is a very well socialized pup. Could she have started it cuz she was 7 weeks? That's a possibility but from the info that my vet gave me females are more likely do it cuz of the anatomy. I know that the AKC recommends 8+ weeks there's no guideline for a pup to go home! In AZ a pup can go home as young as 5 weeks I took my pup at 7 weeks cuz I wanted to I could've left her with the breeder for another week but I chose not to. Just because I got her at 7 weeks old doesn't mean my breeder is no less reputable than anyone else's and I'm no less better than anyone else on this site! The fact still remains that MY pup has no health issues or mental or emotional issues compared to anyone else's pup/dog on this site! I can just about bet that my pup is better behaved than some of yours!

EmilyB

So there!!!!!!

KevinK

Wow, THAT'S what you took from my post... nevermind lol Still, I strongly urge you to keep researching and learning. I bet your views will change a bit

VZ-Doberman

That rant is exactly what every byb promoter rolls in here with. Instead of reading all the help threads or stickies you try to defend the indefensible. Even with all the knowledge here you insist buying a puppy from the scum of the earth is somehow a noble and kind thing to do. It is not. That sentence "my breeder bred for the good and love of the dog" screams byb. You continue to dig it deeper with the ever so popular "repeat customers" and the remark about having a "great rep. with the akc". Good grief are you that unclear about things?

FYI......the akc is a registering organization. As long as a puppy's parents are registered that is all they care about.....that and the fee you send.

The next time you're having your play date with your puppy's litter mates take a moment from the fun and frivolity and think about the next litter/s about to hit the ground and dumped by your breeder at 7 weeks of age.

A typo is one thing, not understanding what you are posting is another. pffft

VZ-Doberman

The fact that your breeder let the puppy go at that age reveals much about the ethics.

VZ-Doberman

And stamping the little cloven hoof for more effect.

VZ-Doberman

I'll take that bet!!!

RubyRed12

Oh does it scream byb really? I thought bybs were in it for the money and not the good and love of the dog!?!!! Yes I know that the AKC is for registering hence they have a good rep with the AKC meaning they don't have a lot pups being registered! My pups litter was only moms 3 rd litter and mom is 7 yrs old.how many litters has your dogs mom had? Btw the money that my breeder got was to get mom spayed! my breeder made NO money off my pups litter! how about yours? I love how you all keep judging others for not agreeing with your views!!! Hahaha! Wouldn't you want to go to a breeder that had repeat customers cuz they had great parents and great pups? I sure would! At least I know that my pups parents have not just great bloodlines but great temperaments too!

KevinK

pass lol

VZ-Doberman

Seems you have a low threshold for correction........

"Yes I know that the AKC is for registering hence they have a good rep with the AKC meaning they don't have a lot of pups being registered".

Where are you getting this stuff? Seriously, is this something you've made up or was told?

RubyRed12

Seriously? That's all you have.... Trying to correct me? Wow! Look at you! Lol

VZ-Doberman

Trying to give you a clue. Read and learn from the stickies/threads that some very experienced breeders have posted here. What you have posted so far is just skewed.