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Old 10-08-2007, 12:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
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One ear won't stand

My dobe is 6 months old and one of her ears refuses to stand. It bends down just above the base of her ear. She has a bad reaction to tape. Last time my vet taped both ears flat on top her head and her skin got infected and took forever to heal. I feel bad taping them up. Any suggestions on helping her ear stand? I don't want to damage it. I have tried the breathe right strips and it does seem to help but not quite enough.
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Old 10-08-2007, 01:27 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I'd have to see a picture of the ears to really say what I think you Should do. Iv'e never ever heard anything about a dog having a bad reaction to tape. I'm assuming you didnt get your puppy from a reputable breeder. Breathe right strips wouldnt help if half the upper ear is bending down. Its not uncommon for one ear to be weaker then the other add that with poor Tapeing and its a Disaster for you and the dog. Keep tapeing and ask someone besides your vet if you think hes half the problem. I know when I got my first dobe from a BYB this was my problem. If only I would of known people up the road from me had been raising european dobes and could tape ears in their sleep it would of saved me alot of problems. Most bybs ask anywhere from $300- $600 and $750 with ears cropped for a unhealthy nightmare. To get a real dobe temperment/looks that way is pretty much impossible.

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Old 10-08-2007, 01:28 PM   #3 (permalink)
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At six months old you can get that ear to stand but you have to be diligent at taping. That means ONLY talke the ears down to change the tapes then put then right up again. You must do this for at least a month straight.

You did not mention if the other ear is standing ok? I assume it is but is it standing correctly? If so you only have to do the one ear. I suggest go back to the breathe right strips if you do not want to do the full ear tape. You must keep that ear up....for every minute you let it flop you are setting yourself backwards. I use two strips if the ear needs extra support....cut off the wide part at each end and make the strip one narrow piece. You should be able to get two of them on the ear that way. You can also run a piece of tape around the ear after the strips are on around the part that is weak to add extra support. Thay should hold the ear up yet be comfortable for the dog. Remember you must be diligent and not let that ear droop....keep taping for at least a month if not 6 weeks.

Send pics if you can....I might be able to help pyou further if I can see what you are dealing with.

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If you want ears to stand they HAVE to be posted until they are done. If you leave them down between postings and let them fall you are either 1: vastly increasing the amount of time they will need to be posted or 2: ruining them forever so they will never stand. At 6 months old you should still have time if it's not just completely floppy to get them up in posts again. If you can't use tape I know I saw somebody on here use vet wrap. Others will be along shortly I'm sure to give you different materials to use as I've never had one that couldn't have tape.
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Old 10-08-2007, 01:33 PM   #5 (permalink)
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The only thing I can suggest is to try the torbot glue and the foam pipe insulation cut and glued inside the ear.

Is it the glue on the tape? You might try looking for a tape that has no latex in it, if it is a latex allergy the top suggestion should be avoided since it is latex. The only other thing I can think of is to try putting a layer gauze over the ear itself before putting the tape on, but then most backtape the post so you still need a non latex tape. Masking tape I have heard can be used, it isnt very durable and has to be redone every couple of days, not sure if it would present the same allergy problem.

Sorry I can't help more, I have a posting problem myself because my pups ears were cut at 8 weeks but not posted till almost 20. I still have issues with them pulling to the inside when hyper focused, especially the right one breaks at the base and folds in on top of his head when he is being walked and gets very excited. He may have some pockets still but mostly he has ears that are almost flat instead of a curve that would support the shape of a pricked ear.

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There is also a paper medical tape but again if its the glue thats the problem that may not help much. Be careful with vet wrap it can and will tighten after its put on.

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I'd have to see a picture of the ears to really say what I think you Should do. Iv'e never ever heard anything about a dog having a bad reaction to tape. I'm assuming you didnt get your puppy from a reputable breeder live and learn. Breathe right strips wouldnt help if half the upper ear is bending down. its not uncommon for one ear to be weaker then the other add that with poor Tapeing and its a Disaster for you and the dog.
Some dogs do react to the tape....rare but it happens. Usually though it is a staph infection on the head and ears not the tape.

Breath right strips will help if done correctly but I agree it would help to see what you are dealing with......

Sometimes dogs have heavy ear leather that makes it harder to get the ears up....a slight shortening of the ear (recrop) is sometimes just enough to cause the ear to stand. That is a last resort however, so keep taping for now....at 6 months old it is not uncommon to have these ear issues.

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If you can't use tape I know I saw somebody on here use vet wrap. Others will be along shortly I'm sure to give you different materials to use as I've never had one that couldn't have tape.
If you use anything stretchy make sure you DO NOT get it too tight. If you cut off the circulation on the ear tip you will loose it.

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My dobe is 6 months old and one of her ears refuses to stand. It bends down just above the base of her ear. She has a bad reaction to tape. Last time my vet taped both ears flat on top her head and her skin got infected and took forever to heal. I feel bad taping them up. Any suggestions on helping her ear stand? I don't want to damage it. I have tried the breathe right strips and it does seem to help but not quite enough.
If you want to avoid posting methods using tape, you might try using molefoam instead of breath rite strips-this provides more support for the entire ear than a breathe rite strip.

Molefoam can be found in the foot care section, it's made by Dr. Scholl..make sure you get molefoam and NOT moleskin.

Take a sheet of the molefoam and cut it on the diagonal, so you have two triangles. Each of the triangles then are clued into an ear, using Skin Bond to attach them. This also has the advantage of nothing being put into the ear canal. The directions I found said to put a piece of tape on the very top and bottom of the molefoam "props", but you probably can skip that step.

Note: it's NOT a good idea to use this method with puppies in the beginning stages of ear posting. You need a rounded post to start off with to make sure the ear gets shaped correctly. Using molefoam too soon will result in a flat ear.
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Old 10-08-2007, 01:43 PM   #9 (permalink)
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6 months old isn't too late to get that ear up. Keep posting. It isn't ready for breathe rights. You mentioned something about your vet...is the vet the ones that posted the ears up to this point? Or have you?

You have to keep posting. Check out the link Kratty posted to help you learn how to post or try to find a reputable Doberman breeder near you to help you with this problem. It is a good one. Here are some other links:
http://www.dpca.org/BreedEd/ears1.htm
http://www.rockytopboxers.com/Earwraps.html
Some use tampons, some use paper towel rolls, some use backer rod. The type of tape you choose to use is important, it shouldn't hurt the ears. J&J Sports take is a good one. You can also put small thin pieces of paper towel with antibiotic under the tape if you have a small sore that needs to heal. The key is small. If the ears are infected, smelling, they need to air out before you do anything.

Keep up with the posting and know you can get them to stand! Don't feel bad about posting, done properly and with the right materials, it isn't painful & doesn't bother the puppy at all.
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Old 10-08-2007, 01:43 PM   #10 (permalink)
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heck no its not uncommon I had a Diaster on my hands lol Theirs so many diff looking crops I'm not sure if I understand so I'd rather see a pic. But keep Tapeing and dont let them hang around to long between postings. My problem was I was so worried about hurting the dog and making her uncomfortable that I kinda screwed it up before I even started. And my vet grrrr well thats another conversation.
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I've heard alot of good things about skinbond I think its kinda pricey but it should deff get the job done and it doesn't take much of it. Make sure you get the stuff to wipe on after posting so you can get the post out. Local drug stores where I live said they could order it for me and if not for you ebay or someother health store could prolly help.
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If you use anything stretchy make sure you DO NOT get it too tight. If you cut off the circulation on the ear tip you will loose it.
I agree. I'd never seen it done before until somebody here on this forum got a puppy with vet-wrapped posted ears. I personally wouldn't use it, but like I said I've never had a puppy that couldn't be taped the traditional way so I was short on ideas. I would think if you got the vet wrap tight enough to adtually hold the ear without sliding then you would automatically be cutting of the circulation. Whoever it was on this forum though wasn't about to change their mind and liked it. I just don't have any experience with it.
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Old 10-10-2007, 09:54 AM   #13 (permalink)
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I ran across this page http://www.equinoxca.com/taping.html it may help there are numerous ways listed of taping. The first one uses masking tape and gauze which may be what you need if there is a tape allergy. It does have to be retaped often but the up side is you can check the ears often for signs of problems.
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I had the same problem with one ear

It's not totally uncommon to have trouble with one ear. Use BFI powder which will help fight any potential infection. Now, I had trouble with one ear falling at the base. I think it was cut a little bigger than the other. Anyway, I kept posting that ear. Like the others say, if you let it flop around and stay down, it's hard on the cartlidge. Sometimes during the teething stage, the ear(s) won't stand, if so, repost. Especially now, at 6 months, there is a good chance they will stand because teething is nearly over. I use the tampon method with Torbot adhesive and Curity Porous 1" tape and BFI Powder (antiseptic). There are plenty of articles about taping Doberman ears. Do a Google search. Also, you could get a second opinion from another vet. Another suggestion, when you get it taped up again, before that, have some PSD Complex II supplement pills on hand. They are a supplement in a unique ratio of .85 to 1.0 of calcium and phosphorus. I used these while I was trying to get the ear to stand and they helped. Don't give up. That is the main reason ears don't stand, people give up. I got my dog at 8 weeks. My breeder helped show me how to tape. He was 2 months then. I had to wait untill he was 22 weeks, or 5 1/2 months before his bad ear finally stood for good. It would stand for 3-4 days and fall. I just posted again. Leave the ear taped up for 1-2 weeks. When removing the post, use rubbing alcohol or Uni-Solve by Smith and Nephew to loosen the tape to avoid pulling all the hair off his or her ears, then wash them carefully with soap and water. Clean them out with rubbing alcohol if they are dirty. You have some different options. Try another vet or do it yourself. Don't leave them down for too long. You can do it. Oh, attached are a few pictures of Rudy's ears -- they didn't stand overnight. One more thing, don't tape too tight or it will cut off the blood supply and the ear will die -- use your judgement.

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I too have a Doberman with one stubborn ear, I post/tape it for 3-4 days and it will stand beautifully for 2 sometimes 3 days then it just seems to break and fold. Does the fact that it stands for a short time mean that it will eventually stand permanently? I hate that every time I untape the ear it takes off the hair on the back of the ear. Please explain or show a pic of how you use the breath rite strips and the mole skin.
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Roo, you'll probably get a better response if you post your problem in your own thread and not one thats almost four years old.

One recommendation I will give is that two or three days is too long to leave your pups ear untaped, and allowing them to flop is only going to make the posting process take longer. I'd also say that if the whole ear is folding its too early to use breathe-rite strips, those are just for when the tips are weak and a little wobbly, not when the ear is folding.
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She has a bad reaction to tape.
***** My girl reacted to one brand of tape, but not another. Try other products.

Last time my vet taped both ears flat on top her head and her skin got infected and took forever to heal.
***** When was this done? Immediately after cropping, or some time later? Probably neither here nor there at this point in time, but I was just curious...

Oh, wait! This thread is almost four years old? Duh! Nevermind...

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How do you get the dog not to scratch the posting down? My dog hates it, so I have about given up on the left ear standing...
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