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Ears Cropped, Posting Infection

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Bailey is 10weeks old now and we have started posting her ears with the help of our breeder.

I have been reading here and there about posting ears and I know that the ears should not be posted if infected. Her breeder told us it's normal and asked us to buy Surolan Drops(which we got from our vet) because %85-%90 ears will get infected during posting and the drop will make it go away by itself.

Bailey's ears were looking fine before we started posting, pretty much completely healed. First posting was done by our breeder. We took that set off after 2 days because we saw signs of blood and odor and were worried. we cleaned put drops and let her ears dry for 2-3 hours and posted again.
again, we removed the second posting just the next night and saw signs of improvement but still not 100% recovered. Bailey's ears looked really good in fact, standing on its own, for over 3 hours. we didn't wait for them to go down so we posted them(applied the ear drops too, with some sort of a ear powder for ear infection and itch relief).

it's been 2 days, we're thinking of removing the post again tonight and see how the ears are doing. I have to mention that one ear looks better and doesn't seem to be as infected. nevertheless, I would like to know what we should do now that we are in this situation. what if her ears are still infected?

I know I would never get another doberman without her/his ears taken care of first. it is indeed a painful process for us and her.

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I think it's absolute poppycock that "85-90% of ears get infected during posting". I've posted a lot of ears myself, and known even more puppies as they went through the posting process, and ears that got infected can probably be counted on the fingers of one hand. The ones that did occur all happened when ears were posted before they were fully healed.

I wouldn't post a puppy whose ears were infected, period. I'd treat, and leave the ears down until the ears were healthy again.
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I think it's absolute poppycock that "85-90% of ears get infected during posting". I've posted a lot of ears myself, and known even more puppies as they went through the posting process, and ears that got infected can probably be counted on the fingers of one hand. The ones that did occur all happened when ears were posted before they were fully healed.

I wouldn't post a puppy whose ears were infected, period. I'd treat, and leave the ears down until the ears were healthy again.
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I will leave them open for as long as they need, how long do you think they may take to heal? I'm sure it depends on the severity of infection. but i'm asking since you have the experience.
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I will leave them open for as long as they need, how long do you think they may take to heal? I'm sure it depends on the severity of infection. but i'm asking since you have the experience.
I'd probably give them 2-3 days unposted, then see where they were at. It's hard to say an exact time. I think you said your puppy was 10 weeks old-this early in the game it isn't going to do any long term damage to leave them down for awhile.
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Good advice given by Murreydobe...10 weeks old is way way too early, so let her ears completely heal before you start posting.

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Just wanted to add if the ears weren't healthy looking after 2-3 days of being left unposted and treated with some sort of ointment, I'd probably go to the vet about it...if the infection is bad enough, it may warrant oral antibiotics.
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Ears are Open and breathing now! will update you as often as i can.
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I'd probably give them 2-3 days unposted, then see where they were at. It's hard to say an exact time. I think you said your puppy was 10 weeks old-this early in the game it isn't going to do any long term damage to leave them down for awhile.
I agree

You didn't specify where the infection was, I am assuming inside the ear? Is there pus/blood or just wet with a yeasty odor? These two symptoms can mean different treatments.

Either way it is absolutely imperative that all infection be gone before you post again. Inner ear infections can result and be damaging to the inner ear itself..ie cause deafness.

I would definately seek some antibiotics if the infection continues after you have let them air out. If it is a yeast infection, then antibiotics won't help but the vet can give you additional treatment options.

I have rarely had this situation, and only with inexperienced owners who have let the ears get wet so be sure that is not happening....even time out in the rain to go potty can wet the ears enough to cause trouble, depending on what materials are used to post. Not saying that's you, just FYI in general.

I make sure that I use lots of cotton inside the ear with the post as this seems to allow more air in deep. You can use a little antibiotic powder along with the cotton or some people use Gold Bond powder as that helps keep things dry. If it is a yeast infection keeping it dry will help considerably.

Since your puppy is still young enough, you could redo the ears on a cup so that they have support to stand while they are healing. Also I have had sucess with just taping the ears to each other across the top of the head. Both of these methods help to deter a downward fold developing in the cartilage while you are unable to tape them up.

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I agree

You didn't specify where the infection was, I am assuming inside the ear? Is there pus/blood or just wet with a yeasty odor? These two symptoms can mean different treatments.

Either way it is absolutely imperative that all infection be gone before you post again. Inner ear infections can result and be damaging to the inner ear itself..ie cause deafness.

I would definately seek some antibiotics if the infection continues after you have let them air out. If it is a yeast infection, then antibiotics won't help but the vet can give you additional treatment options.

I have rarely had this situation, and only with inexperienced owners who have let the ears get wet so be sure that is not happening....even time out in the rain to go potty can wet the ears enough to cause trouble, depending on what materials are used to post. Not saying that's you, just FYI in general.

I make sure that I use lots of cotton inside the ear with the post as this seems to allow more air in deep. You can use a little antibiotic powder along with the cotton or some people use Gold Bond powder as that helps keep things dry. If it is a yeast infection keeping it dry will help considerably.

Since your puppy is still young enough, you could redo the ears on a cup so that they have support to stand while they are healing. Also I have had sucess with just taping the ears to each other across the top of the head. Both of these methods help to deter a downward fold developing in the cartilage while you are unable to tape them up.

Hope this helps

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infection is both on the inside and out but mainly outside. As far as i can tell it's only pus and blood. I will take her to vet if I don't see improvement by tomorrow morning(so she's got more than 24hours).

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Also I have had sucess with just taping the ears to each other across the top of the head.
Do you by any chance have any photos of that? I cant imagine them standing that way, I have a feeling they would droop on each other
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Scandal had yeast infections in both ears. I medicated for a week and kept them down. It didn't affect the end results at all.
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Scandal had yeast infections in both ears. I medicated for a week and kept them down. It didn't affect the end results at all.
That's good to hear, although bailey probably doesn't have Yeast infection.
how old was Scandal when u started posting again?
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Do you by any chance have any photos of that? I cant imagine them standing that way, I have a feeling they would droop on each other
You just lay them over the head and tape one tip over the other. I do this because when there is infection on the edges, puppies will shake their head a lot and the loose flapping ears can get further injury. Sorry I don't have a picture but I will see if I can find you one......


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here is Kaleb's ears folded over for reference..



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That's good to hear, although bailey probably doesn't have Yeast infection.
how old was Scandal when u started posting again?
He was young. Probably 11 - 13 weeks old. Is it just your pup's edges? If you can post a picture, someone might have a recommendation for you.
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Hi Again everyone,

It's was a busy weekend and Bailey's ears are still not posted and are healing. there isn't much odor left. we are taking her to vet tomorrow morning to make sure.

while I was on the phone with the new vet(Riverdale animal hospital) she said most definitely the doctor will want to treat the infection first then discuss options. However they do offer "Ear implants". Is that option safe??

but I think if another surgery means Bailey suffers less after it heals (meaning no more posting and infection) and it's not too expensive then it's seems like a good solution.

I will post a photo of her ears, close up, when I get home.
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while I was on the phone with the new vet(Riverdale animal hospital) she said most definitely the doctor will want to treat the infection first then discuss options. However they do offer "Ear implants". Is that option safe??

but I think if another surgery means Bailey suffers less after it heals (meaning no more posting and infection) and it's not too expensive then it's seems like a good solution.[/I]
I wouldnt worry if i were you..You will have plenty of time to post Baileys ears..Don't even think about Implants.

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I wouldnt worry if i were you..You will have plenty of time to post Baileys ears..Don't even think about Implants.
The thing is we can't post so soon. she's infected now and will probably get infected again.
I'm curious to know from people who have done this. I read Murreydobe has done some corrective surgery before.
I'm worried if we do implants later, it's gonna be more difficult. She wont be shown anyway so....?
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The thing is we can't post so soon. she's infected now and will probably get infected again.
I'm curious to know from people who have done this. I read Murreydobe has done some corrective surgery before.
I'm worried if we do implants later, it's gonna be more difficult. She wont be shown anyway so....?
Your puppy is ten weeks old. Some folks don't even have their pups ears done until 14+ weeks (which is not recommended) and they still stand well after diligent posting by the owner. Just let the ears breathe for a few more days and then put them in posts. You should not even be considering corrective surgery or implants until the dog is over a year old IMO. Please read the cropping and posting information HERE Good luck!
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Your puppy is ten weeks old. Some folks don't even have their pups ears done until 14+ weeks (which is not recommended) and they still stand well after diligent posting by the owner. Just let the ears breathe for a few more days and then put them in posts. You should not even be considering corrective surgery or implants until the dog is over a year old IMO. Please read the cropping and posting information HERE Good luck!
I'm not lazy and I do care very much for my pet. with that in mind:

Implant = no posting = less mess and pain

I read that it will be removed when she's 6months old and ears will be nice and normal after.
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Some dogs can't tolerate implants of any kind, the presence of a foreign object in their ears creates ongoing problems with the body trying to reject them.

Surgery like this is an extreme solution, I don't know that I'd ever consider it as an alternative to posting ears. It's better if they stand naturally. Yes, I did corrective surgery on one dog's ears, but this was after I'd given ear posting a good try.

If you wait until the infection is completely cleared up with your puppy, you probably won't have any further problem posting. However, if your puppy's system is so sensitive to infection for some reason that ear posting causes ongoing infection, I can't imagine that implants would be problem-free.
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If I went to a vet and he/she suggested ear implants at this stage of the game, I would never go back to that vet.

Your pup should be fine, like murreydobe said, just wait till infection is cleared totally up before posting again. Don't wrap the tape on the ears too tightly or that will cause problems.

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Could the Tape itself cause allergic reaction? parts of the tape that were touching her head have cause cuts and they don't look so good but are healing now.
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Could the Tape itself cause allergic reaction? parts of the tape that were touching her head have cause cuts and they don't look so good but are healing now.
Yes some dobes are allergic to the latex in the tape. However, cuts on the ears sounds like the ears were taped too tight. When the ears are taped too tight, the circulation is cut off which will cause infection and in some cases loss of some of the ear itself. You want to wrap the ears loosely with the tape and them squish the tape with your hand to make it stick to the ear and itself. It will be wrinkled but not too tight on the ears. You could also invest in some non latex tape.

You are talking about cuts on the ears and not the head aren't you?

That might explain the odor and discharge so soon after taping and it is lucky you kept such a good check on them.

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Yes some dobes are allergic to the latex in the tape. However, cuts on the ears sounds like the ears were taped too tight. When the ears are taped too tight, the circulation is cut off which will cause infection and in some cases loss of some of the ear itself. You want to wrap the ears loosely with the tape and them squish the tape with your hand to make it stick to the ear and itself. It will be wrinkled but not too tight on the ears. You could also invest in some non latex tape.

You are talking about cuts on the ears and not the head aren't you?

That might explain the odor and discharge so soon after taping and it is lucky you kept such a good check on them.
the cut is on the head. I might have taped the ears too close to the head. I tried to be extra gentle while wrapping the tape, it was in fact loose because I knew it might cut the blood flow.
I doubt the tape we use is Latex, I will check tonight.
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