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Old 12-11-2012, 12:28 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi everyone. Im recently moving back to Louisiana and I won't be able to bring my Doberman with me. He's a red/rust male/AKC certified. His name is Leo, (King Leonitis) and he's 10 months old. Ears are cropped, tail docked, has all shots/including rabies, not nuetered, potty trained to go outside, best friends with my 3 yr old, a little wary of new people, knows commands lay down, sit, stay, drop it, leave it, and when he leaves it alone long enough, GET IT. Loves to play fetch, and tug-a-war. He's not fully trained when it comes to walks, he likes to pull a little still. But he's great with hikes!! He doesnt try to run off when i open the front door, and comes when i call him. I guess my main question is, how easy would it be to sell a dog like this and how much could i get for him?
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If his breeder won't take him back, you should turn him over to a rescue. Aztec Doberman Rescue is in southern California. www.aztecdpc.com/rescue.htm
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I second the breeder, if you got him from a good breeder, they would be willing to take him back. They would be the best in determining the next owners quality as well as a rescue.
I may be able to take him in myself
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Your dog's best bet for a good life with the best possible new owner starts with you contacting a reputable rescue (like Aztec Doberman Rescue).
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Hi everyone. Im recently moving back to Louisiana and I won't be able to bring my Doberman with me. He's a red/rust male/AKC certified. His name is Leo, (King Leonitis) and he's 10 months old. Ears are cropped, tail docked, has all shots/including rabies, not nuetered, potty trained to go outside, best friends with my 3 yr old, a little wary of new people, knows commands lay down, sit, stay, drop it, leave it, and when he leaves it alone long enough, GET IT. Loves to play fetch, and tug-a-war. He's not fully trained when it comes to walks, he likes to pull a little still. But he's great with hikes!! He doesnt try to run off when i open the front door, and comes when i call him. I guess my main question is, how easy would it be to sell a dog like this and how much could i get for him?
I agree with contacting rescue.

If you do sell him, please please please neuter him before you hand him over to someone. I know he is young, but it's better to neuter him now than to sell him to someone questionable
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No, he had a backyard breeder. I would never give him back to those people. I'm lucky I got such a beautiful dog from them tho. I'll post new pics soon. He's just gorgeous. I'm looking for ways to keep him but it's not looking so good. Why would handing him over to a rescue be the best choice? Ive got a little more than $2500 in this dog since i bought him as a puppy. Shouldnt selling him be the better? Is it something thats frowned upon?
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Hi everyone. Im recently moving back to Louisiana and I won't be able to bring my Doberman with me. He's a red/rust male/AKC certified. His name is Leo, (King Leonitis) and he's 10 months old. Ears are cropped, tail docked, has all shots/including rabies, not nuetered, potty trained to go outside, best friends with my 3 yr old, a little wary of new people, knows commands lay down, sit, stay, drop it, leave it, and when he leaves it alone long enough, GET IT. Loves to play fetch, and tug-a-war. He's not fully trained when it comes to walks, he likes to pull a little still. But he's great with hikes!! He doesnt try to run off when i open the front door, and comes when i call him. I guess my main question is, how easy would it be to sell a dog like this and how much could i get for him?
In my opinion you should scrap the idea of selling and simply concentrate on finding him the right people to take him.

He isn't a blooming pushbike, neither is he a toaster, these things you sell on, you don't sell your Dobe no matter how much money you have invested in him. Fact is, you took him on, for better or worse, now I do not know your circumstances and in truth it isn't my business to know, but please, speak to a rescue and let them find him a forever home.

The kind of people who might buy him, may hoodwink you into thinking they are the best thing since sliced bread and your dog end up as a bait dog for some sleazeball like Michael Vicks and his chronies to watch getting ripped apart.

Sorry if that sounds shocking, but assume the worst is going to happen and make sure it doesnt is my motto.

If you truly love him you will hand him over to a Dobe rescue who will find him a forever family, he deserves nothing less than your commitment to finding him the right people.

Bugger the money.

I am sorry guys if that sounds harsh but this is how I see it.

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No, he had a backyard breeder. I would never give him back to those people. I'm lucky I got such a beautiful dog from them tho. I'll post new pics soon. He's just gorgeous. I'm looking for ways to keep him but it's not looking so good. Why would handing him over to a rescue be the best choice? Ive got a little more than $2500 in this dog since i bought him as a puppy. Shouldnt selling him be the better? Is it something thats frowned upon?
A rescue will neuter him, update all of his vaccinations, and thoroughly interview potential adopters. They have more reliable resources to find the best home possible and will take the dog back if anything were to happen further down the road. If you truly want what is best for your dog, rescue is hands down the best option.
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Please do not focus on recouping your money for this dog. Please instead focus on finding an adequate home for him. If not this, then a reputable rescue. If you do not find a rescue before you come down to Louisiana, please contact the Gulf Coast Doberman Rescue.
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No, he had a backyard breeder. I would never give him back to those people. I'm lucky I got such a beautiful dog from them tho. I'll post new pics soon. He's just gorgeous. I'm looking for ways to keep him but it's not looking so good. Why would handing him over to a rescue be the best choice? Ive got a little more than $2500 in this dog since i bought him as a puppy. Shouldnt selling him be the better? Is it something thats frowned upon?
It would be for the best interests of the dog. There are many people out there that would not hesitate to abuse your dog and dampen his quality of life. Not to mention he might be used for breeding which would repeat the cycle where he came from.. you said you would never give him back to those people you got him from but you are opening up for potential homes such as that.
Wouldnt it be better to move away knowing that hes at a place where you can be sure he will live out the rest of his life content rather than getting some sort of compensation but never knowing what happened to him and what he is reduced to?
I understand you spent a bit on this dog but please think of your dog as well. He is still so young and deserves the best. Also please neuter him as well to deter mislead homes! Good luck
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No, he had a backyard breeder. I would never give him back to those people. I'm lucky I got such a beautiful dog from them tho. I'll post new pics soon. He's just gorgeous. I'm looking for ways to keep him but it's not looking so good. Why would handing him over to a rescue be the best choice? Ive got a little more than $2500 in this dog since i bought him as a puppy. Shouldnt selling him be the better? Is it something thats frowned upon?
It's not a matter of making back some of the money you've spent on him. If you sell an un-neutered BYB dog, chances are he's going to go to someone who will get the "bright idea" of breeding him to "make back" some of the money they spent on him. By turning him in to a rescue, he will be placed in a home that is a good match for him, and won't be used to line someone else's pockets.
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No, It's not harsh at all. I love him so! And thats why im asking opions on it. Hes so sweet and playful, i cant stand the thought of him gong to a bad home. Besides the one albino granparent a couple generations back in his family tree, i think hes perfect. Also I do believe he had champions in there somewhere if that means anything. I dont know anything about pedigrees and breeding obviously. I would never breed him either. Just waiting for the right time to nueter. Thank you for all the help with this. I was just hoping and dreaming I could find someone that wanted him bad enough to pay for him. lol I know its silly. But all of you are absolutely right, I live near Palm Springs, anyone know of where i can start to finding him a good home? kitsune?
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No, It's not harsh at all. I love him so! And thats why im asking opions on it. Hes so sweet and playful, i cant stand the thought of him gong to a bad home. Besides the one albino granparent a couple generations back in his family tree, i think hes perfect. Also I do believe he had champions in there somewhere if that means anything. I dont know anything about pedigrees and breeding obviously. I would never breed him either. Just waiting for the right time to nueter. Thank you for all the help with this. I was just hoping and dreaming I could find someone that wanted him bad enough to pay for him. lol I know its silly. But all of you are absolutely right, I live near Palm Springs, anyone know of where i can start to finding him a good home? kitsune?
Aztec rescue will also do a courtesy post for dogs that are currently with their owners. I would contact them and see what they have to say. They will help you get your foot in the right direction and maybe know of potential preapproved homes waiting for the right match.
I would hope that you moving back isnt a sudden thing and that you have some time to take care of things with Leo first.
And.. keep dreaming about finding a GOOD family who is so crazy about him and him only that they will pay whatever for him unfortunately he is what he is. Although beautiful, his lineage is of question not to mention lack of health history. A dream is a dream but when it comes to having to let him go, best to come to reality for what it is. I dont know the circumstances that lead to you buying a puppy from a BYB but please dont create opportunities for others to do the same. Think of it as money well spent for the time you spent with him. Time to just fold and move on!
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No, It's not harsh at all. I love him so! And thats why im asking opions on it. Hes so sweet and playful, i cant stand the thought of him gong to a bad home. Besides the one albino granparent a couple generations back in his family tree, i think hes perfect. Also I do believe he had champions in there somewhere if that means anything. I dont know anything about pedigrees and breeding obviously. I would never breed him either. Just waiting for the right time to nueter. Thank you for all the help with this. I was just hoping and dreaming I could find someone that wanted him bad enough to pay for him. lol I know its silly. But all of you are absolutely right, I live near Palm Springs, anyone know of where i can start to finding him a good home? kitsune?
Sorry, but him being Z-factored completely cancels out any champions in his pedigree. All the more reason to neuter him before you place him. The last thing he needs is to be sold (intact) to an albino greeder.
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i remember when you got this puppy, and you were SO excited. you really should not even think in terms of money - as stated, what will happen is someone will buy him either as a "stud", which he isn't, or for lab experiments, fighting, or other horrors. I wish we had still been in Poway when you decided to move. personally, i have no faith in Aztec, but apparently the new owners of it are trying to revive the reputation and do better than was previously the case. otherwise, i would encourage you to bring him with you and turn him over to Gulf Coast, which is VERY reputable. Another option is to contact one of the rescues in Las Vegas, as they do good work, and will work very hard to rehome him. PM me if you need contact info. PLEASE don't try to sell him, as you will never want to know the outcome of this, as it probably won't be good. Oh - one last thought - contact the Helen Woodward Society, a private no-kill shelter near La Jolla - they have a stellar reputaion, even though they aren't breed-specific.
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Contact Aztec and let them help you. I live in Southern Cal and many of the people I meet who are really interested in my dog (and are not the folks at the dog competitions) ask questions like "did she have puppies" or "are you going to breed her", etc. Your best chance to help him is to use people who can screen homes for him and make sure he goes to a good home who will not use him for breeding or for something much worse.
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I am very sorry to read this post and I was even sadder to read where the dog is Z factored yet they paid as much money for a Z factor than what they could have gotten a well bred dog from a reputable breeder. It is what makes everyone a little crazy.

Once people find out he is z factored you will even have less homes open to him so recuse becomes a viable option and chalk it up to a hard life lesson. I don't know what has changed in less than 10 months to make it so drastic that you have to get rid of the dog. Obvioulsy the breeder did not care where they went which is part of what everyone preaches on here all the time.

I am truly sorry for you and for Leonitis both will loose in this situation.
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decisions have consequences. Looks like yours will cost you about $2500. Not your decision to move. Your decision to get a doberman maybe when you weren't ready. Life happens, we can't prevent that, but sometimes planning things better helps. So, work with a reputable doberman rescue to rehome your dog and you are out what you are out. Just take it as a life lesson and move on.
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Sorry, but him being Z-factored completely cancels out any champions in his pedigree.
That is completely untrue.

The albino breeders are pretty well known for especially trying to get their hands on sons and brothers, daughters and sisters of champion dogs to get them into their pedigrees to try to give them some semblance of quality. Unfortunately, there are a number of albino factored Dobermans out there that have champions in their pedigrees, some of which might appear pretty surprising but obviously a wrong/bad turn took place somewhere along the way. Here are a few examples:

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That is completely untrue.

The albino breeders are pretty well known for especially trying to get their hands on sons and brothers, daughters and sisters of champion dogs to get them into their pedigrees to try to give them some semblance of quality. Unfortunately, there are a number of albino factored Dobermans out there that have champions in their pedigrees, some of which might appear pretty surprising but obviously a wrong/bad turn took place somewhere along the way. Here are a few examples:

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Katmars White Lightning - Canadian Import Z Dobermans
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What I meant was that that having champion dogs a few generations back in his pedigree does not make up for the poorly bred dogs (in this case, albino) close up. I agree that having "champion bloodlines" would make him more attractive to an albino greeder, which is why I said that being Z-factored was all the more reason to neuter him. "Champion bloodlines" is the selling point for lots of BYBs and greeders, albino/Z-factored or not.
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He's a sentient creature!

Hate to jump on the bandwagon here, but a doberman is a sentient being. In my opinion some of the dobies I've seen are smarter than the people that "own" them. It would be no different if you decided that you couldn't keep a child. The only consideration here is to find him a home that will take care of him, not how much money you might recover.

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No, he had a backyard breeder. I would never give him back to those people. I'm lucky I got such a beautiful dog from them tho. I'll post new pics soon. He's just gorgeous. I'm looking for ways to keep him but it's not looking so good. Why would handing him over to a rescue be the best choice? Ive got a little more than $2500 in this dog since i bought him as a puppy. Shouldnt selling him be the better? Is it something thats frowned upon?
Consider it a learning lesson. I don't know the circumstances of your move, maybe it was sudden, maybe not. But just a few weeks after getting a dog, looking to sell him because you're moving?

If you paid 2500 for a byb dog, you got ripped off. Then you took the dog, brought him home, and are giving him up after a few weeks. So, now, it's your turn to do the right thing, and don't sell or rehome him yourself. Turn him over to a rescue who can find a great home, will stay in touch, do home checks, vet checks, etc. You owe that much to the dog at this point.
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I could never/would sell one of my 4 legged children.
- if one needed rehomed, dobe would go to the best family (on earth) I could find...for FREE.
- that is what a $2,500 pup is worth (zero $$), when owners give them up, like a second hand used car (piece of property)
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you notice that he is not thanking or responding... wonder if he this isn't what he wanted to hear. hope he comes back and takes some of this to heart... poor Leo doesn't deserve to have his young life ruined or endangered. we actually have some folks in SD county who foster and help rescue... someone should be able to guide him. there aren't that many Dobes down there!
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Hi there. I'm not going to debate whether bringing him home was an irresponsible decision or whatever else you've been told, I'm just here to POSSIBLY offer a helping hand.

I am in the process of adopting a Dobe now, but the agency is still determining if we are a suitable match for one another. If all goes well, I will be going to pick him up on Sunday. Our last and final say-so meeting is Friday, so I will know by then whether Junior is without a doubt mine.

If he is not, I would love to talk with you about taking your boy home. I am passionate about adopting/rescuing rather than buying puppies because life happens and no Dobe (or any other dog) should suffer.

If all goes well and I take Junior home, I wish you the absolute best of luck with your boy. PLEASE do everything in your power to ensure he goes to a good home.

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