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Old 09-19-2012, 09:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Red Doberman in Austin, TX

There is a woman here in Austin looking to re-home her three year old red Doberman (pictures below). Due to living and personal complications, she must find the dog a new home by early to mid-October. I have been interested in bring a Dobe into my home for some time now and am going to do a "test" period to see if he does well in my environment and, mainly, at my work (which dogs are allowed). I asked her that in the case I found he wasn't a match within the first couple of days if she would take him back - she said yes, but asked if that happens if I could assist her in finding him a suitable home since I am surrounded by a lot of animal enthusiasts. If he doesn't end up with me, I think we'd both really like to see him go to a home with other Dobes or at least with like-minded dogs.

I wanted to post him on here as a backup plan in the case that she needs help finding a home. She tried contacting a Dobe rescue, but after the initial contact, they never responded back to her. I did meet him on Tuesday and he was the sweetest thing. Here are some things she told me about him:

- According to the owner, he has never been mouthy past the age of 7 weeks old. She said after one correction, he has never put his mouth on any one or another dog.
- His ears are cropped and his tail is docked. One ear does slightly flop though.
- He does attempt to pull on a leash, but with corrections will fall back into a heel (I didn't get to see him walk on a leash).
- He is not crate trained, but does well indoors and is not destructive.
- No food, toy, or dog aggression, but will growl defend if another dog is aggressive.
- According to the owner, he is pure-bred and she purchased him at 6 weeks out of Dallas. I don't know from whom.
- He does well at the dog park and plays well with other dogs, though smaller dogs usually bark at him and run away from him.

When I met him on Tuesday, this is what I can confirm:

*He did not jump on me once. His feet stayed on the ground, even despite any excitement. When locked in a separate room, he just laid down.
*No mouthing, snapping, biting.
*He allowed me to touch his food and backed away. No toy aggression either.
*When I would lean towards him, he would flop onto his back and ask to be pet.
*He is not neutered, but I will be taking him to the vet immediately upon getting him on Saturday to get him fixed.

Please let me know if you are interested, or know any one who might be interested. I have a love for Dobes, despite never owning one, and this guy is just too sweet to not ensure he goes to a great home. I'm hoping things work out with us, but there are a few factors I'm worried about (how work will feel about a Dobe [no breed restrictions list though], my boyfriends allergies (to cats and some types of dogs depending on their fur type with prolonged exposure), etc.


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Old 09-19-2012, 09:56 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Best of luck that he works out in your home. I just love the red boys <3

Edit: Do you not worry about bringing a male doberman into a household with another male dog, and a smaller breed at that, already in it? Same sex aggression, especially in the males, is a real issue in this breed.
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I do worry about that as it was an issue I spoke with other Doberman owners about, which is why I'm concerned about my workplace as well (seeing as there are other males there). I do a bit of foster work as well, so a dog that can co-exist is desired. We are doing a trial period as she said that her dog does great with all sizes and sexes of dogs. Of course, she could just be saying that. I have already agreed to take him to get him neutered at a low cost clinic (even if I do not take him), so I will be doing the meet and greet at that point on neutral grounds with a dog that he's going to come in contact with often. The last thing I wanted to do was to bring a small dog to meet him on his territory. As lightly touched on earlier, I really wanted to ensure she would be okay with a trial period for these reasons. This is also why I am preparing for the worst and posting on here as a precaution. She talked to me about surrendering him to a no-kill shelter, but she didn't think she could ever do that. I just want to ensure she doesn't get desperate and then drop him.

Edit: Oh, after re-reading my previous post I realized I just put worried about how work will feel about a Dobe. My apologize; I am worried about how he will get along with the other dogs as well.
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I don't think any dog can be assessed in a couple of days as to whether it will fit.
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I don't think any dog can be assessed in a couple of days as to whether it will fit.
This is what anyone who is adopting a dog or purchasing a puppy risks. That is where research comes in. I'm not saying in the sense of amount of exercise needed, being the "perfect" dog, the breed meeting matching my lifestyle, shedding too much, having potty accidents, etc. I mean if there are any obvious issues - dog showing obvious signs that he won't do well in my workplace, such as severe immediate aggression, or aggression towards small dogs as a lot of my family owns small dogs and I would want to be able to bring him during family holidays . . . You're right, it is pretty much impossible to know if they're a fit, but am I bad person for at least attempting to give this dog a good home and ensuring that IF for some reason it doesn't work out within the first few days due to obvious signs, that she be able to take the dog back into her care? I've already committed to helping her get him neutered whether or not I adopt him.

I guess maybe I should have just posted that the dog is looking for a new home and not mention that I am going to even try to see if he will do well in my house and responded to those interested if things didn't work out. I just wanted to inform those interested of the situation. I've done my research, but I am usually quite skeptical of adopting a powerful breed and would feel more comfortable purchasing from a reputable breeder. Yes, the puppy could always turn out to be a terror and I wouldn't abandon it, but my point is why wouldn't I want to at least attempt to ensure a dog I am interested in adopting is a good matchup before completely committing to adopt (did that even make sense)? If any one is interested in a beautiful, sweet Doberman, please let me know - or if they know any one who would be able to foster the dog until he finds a home with an experienced Dobe owner I would appreciate it, as I'm sure the owner would. He is such a sweet boy and I'd actually love to see him with another Dobe and would step aside in my possible adoption to have another Dobe owner take him. Anyone interested ?

And sorry for the long winded, possibly rude sounding, response (not my intention, but I could see how it'd be read that way... I'm apparently not very eloquent with my words). I was just trying to explain where I am coming from and explain that I am trying to be responsible with this. I'd hate to be one of those people that adopts a pet from someone and then realize there are huge conflicts in personality and just throw the dog to someone else for him to possibly end up in a shelter.

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A dog in a new environment will take weeks before the honeymoon period is over.

This is what reputable rescues do, they are there if it doesn't work out.

So who takes this dog back if it doesn't work out?
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If it does not work out then she will take the dog back. If it is past the period of when she is ABLE to take the dog back (as I'm sure she would be willing up until the day she moves into an apartment), then I will find it a suitable home with her permission. If it is something that I know I am capable of handling, I will train the dog or seek help. I don't understand if you have an issue with this or if you are just trying to ensure this dog doesn't end up somewhere he shouldn't? Should no one adopt this dog because things may not work out? I'm confused.
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Which rescue did she contact?

I'm not sure. I can ask her tomorrow and update you if you'd like. She just told me a Doberman rescue. She said the man asked her to send a bio of the dog and he would get back to her, but never did. That is all I know.
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Well, I guess my point is why would you take the dog, if it doesn't work out for you, pass it along, or return it to where it would then start over. That is just what I read from your posts.

As above, what rescue was contacted?
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Well, I guess my point is why would you take the dog, if it doesn't work out for you, pass it along, or return it to where it would then start over. That is just what I read from your posts.

As above, what rescue was contacted?
Uhm, what? I don't even understand what you are saying. Rescues have a trial period with new families where they are able to return it, as you stated earlier, so what is the difference with this? This is a TRIAL period. If the dog doesn't work out for SEVERE reasons, what else would you want me to do with it? Throw it in the street? I'm not the one that would be passing it along - I would be returning it to the owner and helping her find it a new home. If she wasn't able to take it back I would foster to the best of my ability until it finds the right home if that's what the original owner wants. What should I do? Let it go to a shelter? Obviously the reason it's coming to me in the first place is because she hasn't been able to find a better suited home for it and she is apparently running out of time and thinks I'm a good fit. I am genuinely interested in adopting the dog, for both myself and the benefit of the dog, but is it so bad that I'm preparing for the worst? Would it be better I be like a lot of other people out there and get the dog, realize it doesn't work for me, and dump it?

This is essentially the summary of my initial post:
- There is a dog I am wanting to adopt who seems like a great fit and is super sweet. There are a couple of things that I am worried about though, so the owner and I agreed to do a trial period.
- If the trial period does not work out, the owner has asked my assistance to find it a great home, possibly with other Dobes, since I work with a lot of animal people and have done foster work. She has tried to contact one Dobe rescue (that I am not sure of the name, as stated above) and has not received a response since their first initial contact.
- I wanted to post on here NOW, since the owner is in a time crunch in the case that I find during the trial period it just won't work, she does not have to resort to throwing him somewhere unsafe due to time constraints (not that I wouldn't keep him for as long as needed if that was the case).

As previously noted, I have done a lot of foster work, so I am going to be in contact with reputable rescues if it doesn't work out. I won't dump him (if she can't take him back) and I will help find him a great home. I just thought Dobe people, out of any one, might want to adopt him the most.

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You think you can decide in a couple of days?

I am just saying to you, people have to work at making a dog a part of the family. It has been mentioned you have a male, so it has a likelihood of not working anyway. Why throw in another rejection for this dog by taking it then?

I know you want to help the dog, but I think the best way is to get it into doberman rescue, or yes, let someone else with a better possible result take it initially.

I just hate to see dogs passed around.
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OP, I'm sorry, but it's hard when so many dobes are suffering in shelters and rescues and then someone just wants to dump a dog because they are moving.

I appreciate your sentiment, but imo it is better served to help the dogs in real need.

I hope you understand where I am coming from.
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I'm obviously missing something - is there a dog in the OP's household already?

It looks to me as if the OP is willing to take the dog on a trial basis & will consider it more of a foster if the dog doesn't work out for her household. I'd rather see a tentative person who is researching & looking into possibilities & wants some backup have a dog than someone who naively commits without knowing what they are doing & gets in over their heads. That said, it would still be better for him to have a decent forever home without being trialed or fostered if possible.

He looks like a sweetie. OP, How much are you prepared to change your life if in the end he isn't able to co-exist with your foster or workplace dogs? If not at all, then I'd suggest being the current owner's backup person & offer to take him (temporarily) if she has to move before a rescue has time (without urgency) to find a good home for him.

There is nothing wrong with being a nervous prospective new owner. I'm a new doberman owner myself & it's a big commitment. I completely understand why someone would want some reassurance that if it didn't work there would be some backup for her.
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He's a handsome boy and I hope it works out.

A few tips... You mentioned bribing him to work? This is awesome, i wish worked somewhere I could bring my guys. Before you jump into that, though, allow him time to settle into his new environment and routine. He's going thorough a serious upheaval and that's just one more big thing he needs time to adjust to. Take it slow and don't flood him with all these changes at once
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Kudos for helping this Red Boy; and, getting him into Rescue if it does not.

Fingers and paws crossed that it does work.
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OP, I'm sorry, but it's hard when so many dobes are suffering in shelters and rescues and then someone just wants to dump a dog because they are moving.

I appreciate your sentiment, but imo it is better served to help the dogs in real need.

I hope you understand where I am coming from.
Dobes come into Rescue all the time due an Owner losing their home and vey few apartments want to rent to someone that has a Dobe
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Dobes come into Rescue all the time due an Owner losing their home and vey few apartments want to rent to someone that has a Dobe
I had zero problems renting with a Doberman and fostering dobes in apartments. Where there's a will there's a way.
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I had zero problems renting with a Doberman and fostering dobes in apartments. Where there's a will there's a way.
Could be but there have been threads on how hard it was to find an apt with a Dobe I am surprised they allowed you to foster though

Actually just recently my friends daughter was looking for an apt with her Dobe and was having a very hard time.
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It's quite difficult in Austin. I only know of one property company in Austin that has a few apartment buildings with no breed restrictions. The vast majority of apartments ban multiple breeds here, including dobermans. Austin is also at 95-96% apartment capacity so getting into the few apartments without breed bans can be really tricky! I learned a lot about this because I've been helping people who contacted the GADPC before moving here.

ETA: MissVan, if the lady has not already signed a lease and WANTS to keep her doberman, I can give her a list of a few apartments that I know don't ban dobermans, however, I don't know if they'll be in her price range, or the location she needs, but she can take a look.
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I just wanted to let you know that the Doberman is working out really well in my home! He is such a doll and has the best temperament ever. He's been with me for about 6 days now and I did take him to the vet today to get fixed. We got him up to date with vaccines and had a heartworm test done. Unfortunately, he is heartworm positive, so we will be setting an appointment tomorrow to get him evaluated for treatment.

I'd like to thank all of you for the reassurance and crossed fingers that he worked out. I was started to feel really bad about my decision, but I'm glad I went through with it as he is a perfect fit. Of course, I know that things can change and without persistance and set rules, we could turn him into a little monster. After his heartworm treatment, I plan on getting him into some agility work if he's healthy enough.

Also, Jennie ATX, thank you for offering your assistance. I'd love if you could send me the listing of apartments you have found that are Dobe friendly. I think it'd be a good thing to know just in case anything were to ever happen. Unfortunately, it is much more than moving in her case, but I feel it was my place to talk about her personal life. She already has an apartment in South Austin that she will be moving into with her three children.
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