Doberman Rescue - Getting rid of ALL dogs! - Doberman Forum : Doberman Breed Dog Forums

Aphrodite · 07-20-2010, 10:38 AM

Was just on the Ontario Doberman Rescue site (I have heard some mixed things about this rescue) and they apparently need all the dogs in their care gone ASAP due to a "medical emergency".

No matter how anyone may feel about this organization - I thought I would post up the link with the available Dobes to see if anyone can take them or forward them on to other rescues.

I'm going to contact Epic Tails later...

Doberman Pinscher Rescue Ontario Canada, links to All Provinces: Adoptable Dogs, Rescue Organizations, Dobe Rescue Ont, Ontario Doberman Rescue, available Dobermans, www.OntarioDobeRescue.ca and www.DobermanRescueOntario.ca We are actively dedicated

**MeadowCat** · 07-20-2010, 02:40 PM

I know it's a long distance, but are they interested in placing the dogs with other rescues, say down in the upper midwest? I'm just starting to volunteer with DRM (Doberman Rescue Minnesota). If they'd be willing to accept one of these dogs I could foster. For example, I see there's a male, Zeus, that's said to be good with cats and other dogs. Or perhaps IDR+ might be able to take one or two?

I'm obviously not familiar with the rescues up there. Are there any who might help out?

MaryAndDobes · 07-20-2010, 07:08 PM

That "rescue" is the breeder, Stray's Dobermans, in Ontario who breeds z factored and albino Dobermans. The reputable rescues have really had nothing to do with them.

**MeadowCat** · 07-20-2010, 10:02 PM

Wow. Just...wow. That's unbelievably low, to masquerade as a rescue.

miranadobe · 07-20-2010, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MeadowCat

Wow. Just...wow. That's unbelievably low, to masquerade as a rescue.

Unfortunately, wouldn't be the first. Ugh.

Aphrodite · 07-22-2010, 08:16 AM

Yes it's wrong - but I would hate to see what happens to the dogs if it is so urgent for them to get rid of them.

Regardless of where the dogs came from - if someone can help them, that's all that counts right?

Meadowcat - if you are willing to take a couple of them, email them and see. I don't see why they wouldn't give them to other rescues. I live in Ajax, Ontario - if I can be of any assistance, let me know!

**MeadowCat** · 07-22-2010, 08:24 AM

It's really not my call. I'm just a (new) volunteer with DRM. I'm not really sure what the procedure would be.

By the way, did you see the update on their main page? Dogs are not available to "rescues that slander and post lies on internet forums."

Edited to add:

It looks like their dog that was good with cats is adopted, so my house isn't a possibility anymore. I also notice they list two dogs with known bite histories. DRM doesn't take any dog that has a bite history, as far as I know.

meloan87 · 07-22-2010, 08:54 AM

They have that not because people have slandered their operation with out being there. I just adopted ZUes, In ontario not montreal which on a different website has the wrong information (harleywood rescue). There place is 20 acres with lots of trails through trees and such. They also have a large fenced in area with a large shed probably around 15 feet by 20 feet that the doberman can go into for shade and such. Lastly it is a rescue but also a breeder. Even if you go on their website, they tell you they have been breeders since 1976. They became a rescue in the early 1990's because they wanted to give dobermans a second chance. Currently their even rehabilitating a biter just so he wont have to be put down. They keep their rescue until an adoption occurs. When we got Zeus, you could really tell how much they cared about their dogs. We got everything we needed, including medicine, and anything else we needed to get him all settle in at our place. He did not once talk about trying to sell us a puppy to get a profit, and the fee for adoption was nothing compared to how much it would of cost us for the things he threw in for free. Its a great place, and unless you go there to see it yourself, you shouldn't just speculate or spread things you might hear.

Aphrodite · 07-22-2010, 09:59 AM

meloan87 - it actually has said on their website that people have slandered their operation - whether or not that has to do with why they are getting rid of their rescues is just speculation.

Either way - I don't really care. I am more interested in trying to find these dogs homes/rescues to go to. I don't care what the reason is as to why they have to get rid of them.
I also don't really care what their facilities look like - I'm sure they are great as I know they have plenty of property. I'm sure they do care about their dogs. All rescues keep their dogs until an adoption occurs by the way.

Seeing things and knowing what goes on behind closed doors are 2 very different things too. So while your experience may have been good, others may have other knowledge or experiences to say otherwise.

But again, I don't really care lol - this thread is here to find these dogs homes and that is it.

Aphrodite · 07-22-2010, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by MeadowCat

It's really not my call. I'm just a (new) volunteer with DRM. I'm not really sure what the procedure would be.

By the way, did you see the update on their main page? Dogs are not available to "rescues that slander and post lies on internet forums."

Edited to add:

It looks like their dog that was good with cats is adopted, so my house isn't a possibility anymore. I also notice they list two dogs with known bite histories. DRM doesn't take any dog that has a bite history, as far as I know.

Yeah I saw that. I have heard some things about that place. I don't know if I would recommend anyone to buying a dog from their breeding program, but at this point I think a lot of people would be willing to try and find those dogs other rescues to go to if they can't find homes - that would be a true testament as well - whether or not they will let the dogs go to other rescues free of charge or if they are only letting them go with price tags to homes.

Some rescues take dogs with a bite history, others don't. I guess it depends on the circumstances as well.

Harleywood is a great rescue - hopefully they will take some dogs.

**greenkouki** · 07-22-2010, 10:15 AM

Why don't you care why they're getting rid of the dogs? I think what folks are trying to point out is this simply isn't a rescue... This is a very irresponsible commercial breeder, in my opinion, who's getting rid of dogs. Many of the dogs have probably just been returned to this breeder (they look similar to dogs on the website). While there's no denying these dogs do need homes, to me it's just some adult dogs being listed for sale/for rehome on a puppy mill's website.

Aphrodite · 07-22-2010, 10:40 AM

Well if you take a look at some of the other Doberman rescues in Ontario - some of these dogs are not even in their possession. Some of these dogs are still with their owners and are using these rescues and their websites to rehome them (kind of like fostering them themselves until a home can be found).

I care in a way why the dogs are being "booted". But I think my main care is trying to find them homes - because I am always scared as to what will happen to dogs at rescues/shelters that need to be taken ASAP and then can not find homes.
Remember the OSPCA in Newmarket?

That's why I posted the thread here - my main concern was to find these dogs homes no matter why or how they ended up there (as in if they are returned from their breeding program). I would hate to see these dogs end up in shelters that euthanize, you know?

Aphrodite · 07-22-2010, 10:42 AM

Also, I should say I live in Ontario - I have seen their breeding program and I was underwhelmed. I have heard people talk about them on this forum - since it seems that they are going out of their way to find when people are "trash talking" them, I just figured it was a good idea to keep the criticism out of this thread and focus on the rescue part

So my main reason on telling that particular user that I didn't care what that I didn't want to use this thread to debate about their breeding program, you know what I mean?

Everything I have learned about them is from this site - so I understand where you're coming from kouki! lol

Lena&Kilo · 07-22-2010, 11:42 AM

I looked at some of the dogs in their rescue, and I can't say they look like they come from the same breeders.

I think they are infact running a crappy breeding program, but at the same time also taking in rescues that are not their own.
I don't think its fair to punish the dogs who really are rescues just because the place they wound up in also breeds.

**ellenm** · 07-22-2010, 12:01 PM

I think greenkouki and others who have been around DT long enough remember another BYB calling themselves "rescues" using this tactic to dump their old breeding stock, returned dogs, older pups that never sold...etc.

It was basically a clearance sale of their own dogs.

Thus anything in conjunction with a known BYB'er that is called "rescue" is going to be shied away from by long time DT members. If they won't give the dogs to another breed specific rescue to rehome, that says a LOT to me.

Aphrodite · 07-22-2010, 12:11 PM

I'm not sure if they are not going to give them to other rescues are not - and if they don't, then I agree.

I agree with Lena&Kilo - although they may have a bad reputation with their breeding program, I still think some of these rescue dogs (if not all) are not necessarily from their breeding program.

Julia · 07-24-2010, 10:44 PM

I would just like to dispell these rumours that ontario dobe rescue is anything but a wonderful breeder and rescue sanctuary dedicated to the doberman breed. My boyfriend and I just adopted "Duke" from Ontario Dobe Rescue last week. Unlike many of those posting sanderous remarks about the organization, my partner and I have personally been to the Ontario Dobe Rescue site several times. The site has several acres with lots of trails through trees and such. I saw nothing but happy, well-cared for dobes. Yes they breed and rescue, this is not a crime and it is not a secret - it is posted all over the website, there is nothing wrong with being so dedicated to the breed that you would rather rescue dogs than see them go to bad homes or be in kill shelters. I saw their dogs - who's parents are also on-site, the dogs were beautiful, well-cared for and extremely well-behaved - the owners of this organization were very nice people. What they do in rehabilitating and rehoming dobes is a wonderful thing. I would like to back up meloan87's statements - We too got everything we needed and it is a great place, it is a shame that people here are claiming otherwise. I agree that unless you go there to see it yourself, you shouldn't just speculate. Ontario Dobe Rescue is a wonderful place, and it brought "Duke" (now called "Bronx") into our lives, and for that we are truly grateful - we will definitely visit again with Bronx, just to say hi. And if we ever go on vacation, we would board him there in a heartbeat, knowing he will get excellent, loving treatment. I'm sorry you feel the need to spread rumours about this place on an internet forum, and I genuinely feel - based on what I have seen with my own eyes - that this is a great, caring organization and a good breeder.

KateIndeed · 07-24-2010, 11:33 PM

Personal opinion: I don't think it's possible to be both a "reputable rescue" and a "good breeder." You can't say you want to save all of these poorly bred Dobermans and then go and breed them.. you're just contributing to the overpopulation and poorly bred genetic pool of these dogs you're supposedly trying to "save." Unless they're buying these breeding dogs from reputable breeders, showing them, titling them, breeding them and THEN selling them (which is highly doubtful), I'm thinking they're not very reputable at all.

EDIT: Plus, lol@this:

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We here are all very sickened by this high school BS behaviour happening on the Dobermantalk website regarding this rescue and our breeding site. Doberman Rescue - Getting rid of ALL dogs! . Although Doberman talk may provide some help to Doberman owners I would take every thing you read with a grain of salt and do your own research. Many other slander threads can be found on this website about breeders who are later banned from replying or defending themselves, even editing or deleting replies. All usually for bogus reasons and all orcastrated by the same group of people like a little high school Clique which includes a few moderators, breeders and high volume users, all the while promoting each other. Explicitly taking everything and anything read or people have replied in defence out of context, poking fun at grammar, spelling and even heritage of the people being bashed.

thea2003 · 07-25-2010, 08:49 AM

I wonder if they will continue to breed through this medical emergency....

Ahhh yes, in come the uni-posters.

Julia · 07-25-2010, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by KateIndeed

Personal opinion: I don't think it's possible to be both a "reputable rescue" and a "good breeder."

Quite the paradox to be talking about "reputable", while simultaneously commenting on someone you have never met and a rescue that you have never personally seen.

Look, if you want to believe your own self-perpetuating rumours, and feel like there is one more bad place out there not caring about dogs - that's extremely counter productive and you're wrong. I'm not about to change your opinion over the internet (although apparently gossip sticks better with you). I'm just saying FYI for those who where genuinely concerned about this place, but have never been there - I have been there several times , just adopted from there and it was a great place. Sorry, but coming from a position of knowing what it actually is like vs. your position being someone from another country entirely who has never even been to this place - I cannot agree with you at all. This is a great place. Go focus on breeders/rescues that you can legitimately confirm are bad places, based on "reputable" opinion (i.e., not random people spreading rumours over the internet who have never been to the rescue/breeder in question).

Aphrodite · 07-26-2010, 07:11 AM

I'm sorry, Julia, but I think you're missing the point.
If you actually read most of the posts on this thread, the whole point of this thread is to find homes for these Dobermans. Maybe they do care about their rescues as I have agreed that it doesn't look like all these dogs are from the same lineage.

But, one has to wonder why they are getting rid of all these dogs (although that's not really the point of this thread) AND it is not clear if they are trying to find other Doberman rescues to take these dogs on as they should.

And, as I understand it, there are people (on older threads) that have more information regarding this place as a breeding operation and possibly selling dogs as rescues that were part of their breeding operation.
Either way, that is neither here nor there with this thread. That's great that you enjoy your Doberman that you got from them, I'm happy you have a Doberman addition in your family now - but the main focus of this thread is to find these Dobermans a place to go.

Deathmetal · 07-26-2010, 10:24 AM

They are acting like complete children.

'We do cooperate with other dog rescues that have good ethics. in actuality, H----yw--d has been the only dobe rescue that we have avoided, only do to the fact that they are in part responsible for rumours. The dogs listed there are fostered and they really have no hands on knowledge or experience of dogs listed on the website. most recently, in particular Zeus, whom was in our care. The owner of Zeus emailed H----yw--d with no reply. We have tried to communicate with them but also without any reply. They have since removed the listing. They don’t even have a phone number listed on the website. '

Slandering a web forum, and a rescue all on the same page. I'm thinking you really cant fix stupid. Anyone with a brain would view this website and RUN. They need to grow up and stop pointing fingers, and if they are asking for help, should accept it and maybe start showing and prove why their dogs are better. And if they dont win, they should sputer the lot and stop doing what their doing.

Leanne and Bob · 07-26-2010, 10:29 AM

In defence of the Doberman Rescue,

We got our rescue from their facility and we were very impressed with the amenities and their program. The owner is a very passionate individual who wants nothing but the best for their rescues. The dogs have 10+ acres for forest to run free in, which is secured along the perimeter. We have since referred to the facilities as a “Doberman Wonderland”, where Dobes run free and frolic all day. What most impressed us was that no dogs ever spent time in a crate. There are larger heated enclosures with more than enough space to keep dogs safe and comfortable through the night. We could tell that all of the dogs very much respected and loved them. Additionally, our rescue Dobe had multiple vet bills that added up to about $2,000. They gave us copies for our records but did not ask for additional adoption fees, which we appreciated and respected.

I cannot comment on the details of their breeding practices, for lack of formal understanding of the standard expectation. But I will say that we very much respect and appreciate the work that they do at the Doberman Rescue. There was not a single doubt in our mind that they were a responsible, ethical breeder and rescue organization. We will continue to refer friends and family there.

Aphrodite · 07-26-2010, 10:45 AM

Well there will be no point in referring your friends and family there since they are trying to get rid of all their rescue Dobermans.
So again, all these new users that are popping up to "defend" this rescue - enough is enough. Nobody is debating about this - the whole point of this thread is to FIND THESE DOBERMANS HOMES!!!!

Aphrodite · 07-26-2010, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Deathmetal

They are acting like complete children.

'We do cooperate with other dog rescues that have good ethics. in actuality, H----yw--d has been the only dobe rescue that we have avoided, only do to the fact that they are in part responsible for rumours. The dogs listed there are fostered and they really have no hands on knowledge or experience of dogs listed on the website. most recently, in particular Zeus, whom was in our care. The owner of Zeus emailed H----yw--d with no reply. We have tried to communicate with them but also without any reply. They have since removed the listing. They don’t even have a phone number listed on the website. '

Slandering a web forum, and a rescue all on the same page. I'm thinking you really cant fix stupid. Anyone with a brain would view this website and RUN. They need to grow up and stop pointing fingers, and if they are asking for help, should accept it and maybe start showing and prove why their dogs are better. And if they dont win, they should sputer the lot and stop doing what their doing.

The rescue they are speaking of is a very good rescue.
I agree that it is childish of them to not hand over their dogs to said rescue because of some stupid school yard he said she said nonsense.