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Alright I cant seem to find any same answers. I was told and read that I cannot get a MALE dobie because I have a MALE Boxer. My Boxer loves other dogs and gets along great with them just rough houses. My dog is neutered like every dog should be be. I contacted a Dobie breeder and he said there is no reason they couldnt get along as long as you teach them right from wrong. But people on here seem to totally against it and preach about same sex aggression.
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Was a responsible/ethical breeder? Most breeders I would go to would not suggest raising two males together if one is a Dobe no matter what the other dog is. It’s a recipe for disaster. If you do a search you will see many threads here.

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Was a responsible/ethical breeder? Most breeders I would go to would not suggest raising two males together if one is a Dobe no matter what the other dog is. It’s a recipe for disaster. If you do a search you will see many threads here.
Yes it was a ethical breeder.
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Yes it was a ethical breeder.
Doubtful. An ethical breeder would know that same sex aggression cannot be "taught" or "trained" out of a dog. The age, size, breed, or temperament of the other dog in the equation matters not, nor does what age they are introduced.

Of course not every Doberman on the planet is same sex aggressive, but it is a tendency in the breed. Should you choose to role the dice and keep 2 males you will need to be prepared that it is a possibility you will need to keep them separate for the remainder of their lives. Typically people find that they get along fine as puppies / young dogs, but once maturity hits all bets are off. It's not a training issue, it's something that is just hard-wired into their DNA.

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Doubtful. An ethical breeder would know that same sex aggression cannot be "taught" or "trained" out of a dog. The age, size, breed, or temperament of the other dog in the equation matters not, nor does what age they are introduced.

Of course not every Doberman on the planet is same sex aggressive, but it is a tendency in the breed. Should you choose to role the dice and keep 2 males you will need to be prepared that it is a possibility you will need to keep them separate for the remainder of their lives. Typically people find that they get along fine as puppies / young dogs, but once maturity hits all bets are off. It's not a training issue, it's something that is just hard-wired into their DNA.
Just like people, dogs have PERSONALITIES. My very best friend is a 30 year Lic Vet Tech and Breeds Dobes with me. She is her clinics behaviorist & Nationalist. She is MY Guru!
We just had this discussion a week+ ago ,about two males in a house, she said she believes two males(IF Neutered) will often get along better than a boy and a girl and particularly a girl and a girl.
While We(Breeders of INTACT male Dobermans would NEVER put to intact males together....it is because they are territorial...and you add in girlie smells etc. to the mix and you get males that are “aggressive” male to male)

When you have a non dominant Neutered male (that has grown up playing well with others,it changes the dynamics quite a bit). And if they get a non dominant “lil brother” that is raised ‘subordinate’ to them, and that ‘brother’ is neutered before he (frankly)turns into an A-whole..The World is At Peace!!.
AND YOU have to be the Pack Leader and be THEIR Leader.....They will take your lead.


I have met plenty of friendly goofy Fun Loving neutered males that get along, and play well, with other males......So while I don’t think your Dobie forums are necessarily wrong..I think they are also operating under the age old belief at you cant put two males together AT ALL....Yet we see it all the time at dog parks and I know of people that have two neutered male Dobermans.

I think the KEY would be to have Breeder knowledgeable enuf to pick the RIGHT pup for the situation.

That is what the breeders response was.
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You know time and time again people come onto these forums to tell us how they know better then them... How the people that have been owning dobermans for 20+ years are wrong, and my male will get along with anyone... blah blah blah...

Most people will tell you it's a bad idea... Hell, I own a NEUTERED super friendly MALE, and I will tell you it's a bad idea. Just because you have a male dog that is friendly with everyone, that doesn't mean the puppy you raise will always feel the same about the dog it is living with. You can not predict a dogs personality when it matures...

My friend also has a male dobe, grew up with Jones, loved Jones as a puppy, but now that dog can not be in the same room as Jones or he will go after him.

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So if your so sure and did your research get your male Doberman. Why do you Come here to ask a question then you justify that your thought or argument is the right one.


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So if your so sure and did your research get your male Doberman. Why do you Come here to ask a question then you justify that your thought or argument is the right one.


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I dont know where you read that my argument is the right one? I said this a what a breeder said and was curious what other owners would say about it. SINCE, I CANT get a consistant answer.
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I had two males for awhile - and yes, they did (very rarely) spend time together in the house - but it was always highly supervised because I knew there would be trouble the instant one of them looked at the other one wrong. And yes, both were neutered.

It's not really an old wives' tale... it just isn't. In my 13 years in this breed, do you know how many adult male Dobermans (neutered or intact) from good breeders that have been fine with other males in a relaxed home setting? None.

Now, I will say that rescue does seem to see males come in that are fine with other males. One of my former foster boys lives with another male. But it's my personal opinion is that you can't expect a male dobe to be okay with other males. It's not fair, it's not realistic. If you happen to find a male that's ok with other males, that's great, that's fantastic, congrats.... but don't expect that to be the norm.

There's a reason why I have one male now, and the rest of my dogs are bitches. It's safer, and IMO more responsible.

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You are getting a consistent answer, you just choose not to believe it. You asked the question and every single person who answer gave you the same answer. Male dobies and other male dogs shouldn't mix. Sure they can co-exist and there are examples to prove it. However there are MANY example as to why you shouldn't.

I'm sure you will get one either way so please at least have a rescue shelter lined up for either the Dobie or Boxer.

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The consistent answer you'll get on this forum is that male dobermans are very prone to same sex aggression . This forum has people that know this breed like the back of there hands if I would listen to any advice it would be from someone from this forum. others will tell you that same sex aggression isn't true but these people don't have knowledge concerning the Doberman breed.


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You are getting a consistent answer, you just choose not to believe it. You asked the question and every single person who answer gave you the same answer. Male dobies and other male dogs shouldn't mix. Sure they can co-exist and there are examples to prove it. However there are MANY example as to why you shouldn't.

I'm sure you will get one either way so please at least have a rescue shelter lined up for either the Dobie or Boxer.
If I was that kind of person then please explain why I would be on here? Thank you for stating that there are examples for both. That is why im here in the first place.
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as long as you teach them right from wrong.
The problem with this is "wrong" can happen in half a second, and then you have some big vet bills and a serious issue to deal with.

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J My very best friend is a 30 year Lic Vet Tech and Breeds Dobes with me. She is her clinics behaviorist & Nationalist. She is MY Guru!
We just had this discussion a week+ ago ,about two males in a house, she said she believes two males(IF Neutered) will often get along better than a boy and a girl and particularly a girl and a girl.
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As a certified vet tech myself I will steer clear of your best friend's clinic then if that is truly what she believes. Especially if said clinic also employs her as the behaviorist Neutering/training/raising together makes no difference, and she should absolutely know this.

If she breeds dobes and is a tech/behaviorist she absolutely should know about same sex aggression in this breed, if she doesn't and actually advocates 2 males together then she shouldn't be doing either position.

I have also done the behavior assessments at my clinic, and it is pretty common knowledge amongst us that Dobes (as well as Boxers FYI) are known for same sex aggression; but hey what's the point in you even asking if you aren't going to listen to anyone here?

That pack leader stuff is also very outdated, and it would be impossible for a breeder to "pick the right" puppy as puppies will typically get along with other males, it's once they are mature that problems start. It is hardwired in their DNA, just because there is the odd flukey one that is ok doesn't change that fact.

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In my opinion if you have to ask this question, you shouldn't have 2 males.
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As a certified vet tech myself I will steer clear of your best friend's clinic then if that is truly what she believes. Especially if said clinic also employs her as the behaviorist

If she breeds dobes and is a tech/behaviorist she absolutely should know about same sex aggression in this breed, if she doesn't and actually advocates 2 males together then she shouldn't be doing either position.

I have also done the behavior assessments at my clinic, and it is pretty common knowledge amongst us that Dobes (as well as Boxers FYI) are known for same sex aggression; but hey what's the point in you even asking if you aren't going to listen to anyone here?
How am I not listening? If I wasnt willing to listen then explain why im on here? FYI, I have known countless people with two MALE Boxers who got along great and were great companions. You can say any dog is same sex aggressive, can you name a working breed that isnt same sex aggressive? Im interested in your answer
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Uh I'm not claiming that "any dog" is same sex aggressive, I'm (all of us actually) telling you that Dobes are very prone to it (as are boxers, and in my many years as a tech I've stitched up a number of boxers because of it). I'm really not sure what point your attempting to make about naming a working breed that isn't...what that has to do with dobes, or the info I gave you, is beyond me.

Why you're on here if you don't want to listen? I dunno same reason lots of people come here, and then argue with the advice they're given...

Anyway, you've been given tons of the the same, and consistent advice from people who are extremely knowledgeable about this breed, so I'm out to go work with my dobe, and spend time with my kids.

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Uh I'm not claiming that "any dog" is same sex aggressive, I'm (all of us actually) telling you that Dobes are very prone to it (as are boxers, and in my many years as a tech I've stitched up a number of boxers because of it). I'm really not sure what point your attempting to make about naming a working breed that isn't...what that has to do with dobes is beyond me.
You are a vet tech and have pointed out that both breeds that were mentioned are same aggressive. So I am asking you, what working breeds are not?
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The majority of males (neutered or uneutered) will not get along with other males. Some do, but it's rare and not something you can count on happening.

My male is not neutered, and he used to get along with males, puppies and small dogs in particular, and had a blast playing with them. But once he hit about 2 and a half, that changed, he let me know that he needs to be separated from males at all times. He had my friends puppy pinned to the ground by his throat, and stopped when I yelled. No blood or cuts, but it was scary!!! He was seriously putting him in his place for no reason at all.

Now its crate and rotate when I dog-sit, and he ends up being crated more than usual. He's very obedient, and not dog aggressive when outside his house, but in his house he does not want other males in it.
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You are a vet tech and have pointed out that both breeds that were mentioned are same aggressive. So I am asking you, what working breeds are not?
It would be easier to sit and list all of the working breeds that are prone to same sex aggression (because they're all popping into my head right now). You're hard pressed to find many that aren't, but some are much worse than others (dobes, and boxers being just 2 of them). I suppose it would be a matter of sitting down and weighing which ones were less prone, than actually finding working breeds that aren't in some way.

Anyway like I said, I'm out, the dog is antsy and so are the kids. Good luck with your decision.

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Rather than create 2-3 threads with the same questions a week apart, it would be easier if you'd just added to your prior discussion. I typed a long response in that last thread you created.

Didn't you say you wanted a companion to play with your young Boxer? How's that going to work if the Doberman DOES end up not liking other males? Then you'll have to exercise the 2 dogs separately and keep them apart, which kind of defeats the whole purpose of having a buddy for dog #1. If you are determined that you know best and can deal with 2 males, then go at it. Why ask DT for validation when you've gotten about 25 replies advising against it?

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Why can't u just get a female? I don't understand what the problem with that is


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Just like people, dogs have PERSONALITIES. My very best friend is a 30 year Lic Vet Tech and Breeds Dobes with me. She is her clinics behaviorist & Nationalist. She is MY Guru!
We just had this discussion a week+ ago ,about two males in a house, she said she believes two males(IF Neutered) will often get along better than a boy and a girl and particularly a girl and a girl.
While We(Breeders of INTACT male Dobermans would NEVER put to intact males together....it is because they are territorial...and you add in girlie smells etc. to the mix and you get males that are “aggressive” male to male)

When you have a non dominant Neutered male (that has grown up playing well with others,it changes the dynamics quite a bit). And if they get a non dominant “lil brother” that is raised ‘subordinate’ to them, and that ‘brother’ is neutered before he (frankly)turns into an A-whole..The World is At Peace!!.
AND YOU have to be the Pack Leader and be THEIR Leader.....They will take your lead.


I have met plenty of friendly goofy Fun Loving neutered males that get along, and play well, with other males......So while I don’t think your Dobie forums are necessarily wrong..I think they are also operating under the age old belief at you cant put two males together AT ALL....Yet we see it all the time at dog parks and I know of people that have two neutered male Dobermans.

I think the KEY would be to have Breeder knowledgeable enuf to pick the RIGHT pup for the situation.

That is what the breeders response was.


So you're a breeder now too?

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You have gotten a lot of responses advising against having a male dobe. Are you opposed to getting a female to play with your boxer? Not all females are dainty little things and can hold their own quite well when playing. My girl is not from a reputable breeder and is definitely over the standard at 85 pounds and 30' at the withers. I would not encourage you to buy from a byb as I made the mistake of but females are no less of a "dobe".

Just an aside....my girl has never had a bad experience with boxers but she HATES them all on sight. She does not want to play with them ever but of course they are always interested in her. She does not seem to like their energy. She may be an anomaly as I know other dobes that do like playing with boxers.

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