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Old 02-02-2013, 01:36 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Sorry but Doberman's are different from other dogs they play rougher they just are hard wired to have same sex aggression do not think you can train it out neutering is not a 100% answer either. Would be better to get a girl Dobie to play with your boy Boxer that both would be safe. You would hate it if you got a male Dobe have it for 3 years then bam out the blue it kills your Boxer why take that chance.
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You are a vet tech and have pointed out that both breeds that were mentioned are same aggressive. So I am asking you, what working breeds are not?
I don't have a ton of experience with either breed but from what I've seen Portugese Water Dogs and Samoyeds are both good with the same sex. But even if you're boxer might not seem like it he could still not like living with another (even non-dominant) male no matter the breed.
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I don't have a ton of experience with either breed but from what I've seen Portugese Water Dogs and Samoyeds are both good with the same sex. But even if you're boxer might not seem like it he could still not like living with another (even non-dominant) male no matter the breed.
Portuguese Water Dogs tend to be pretty good (from my limited experience with them, there aren't many around here) , I have though heard of cases of same sex aggression with Samoyeds (not a lot mind you, but enough).

The Portuguese Water Dog was about the only working breed that came to mind as not being same sex aggressive, but I don't have a ton of experience with that breed, so I didn't want to say that they are in fact not same sex aggressive.

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I would never ever EVER have two male dobes.
Bruno is mostly dobe with a little GSD in there for good measure. He's about to turn three and is absolutely fine with our two little male dogs - a maltipoo/chi mix, and a dachshund. All three boys are neutered.

BUT put Bruno anywhere near another male dog and he goes ballistic. He does NOT do well with other males. My SIL has a little shih tzu that Bruno hates. And then a friend brought her pit/lab mix here for a potty break on her way from Ohio to Ontario. Bruno got away from me when I opened the door (the other dog never came near the house) and very nearly killed him. He had his head and neck in his mouth and was going for a kill.

(Needless to say, Bruno will not be around other males, ever.)

OTOH, Bruno and Buggles get along fabulously. They are best friends and do everything together, but are also bonded to the human family of course. However - I have Bugs because as she started to mature, she started getting very aggressive with the other female dog in the household. She is only 6 months old!

If I was you I would get a female dobe. Buggles is just as attached to me and sweet as Bruno and I have not seen any difference in the genders as far as barking and vocalization, etc. She is much more protective than him, even at 6 months old, and has a higher drive, but the drive, I believe is due to her age and not her gender. (She is also psycho hyper, also due to being a pup.)

Growing up we always had GSDs and always male-male, with no issues. They were never littermates, we always got a pup when the older dog was 5-6 years old. We always had two, I don't remember ever having just one, except for the few months when the older one would die and we were looking for the right pup. I do not know if this is typical for GSDs or if we were just lucky.

All I know is, I would not take a chance with a male dobe and another male dog. It's too risky. Get a female, or choose another breed with fewer tendencies. You could always go with a rescue dog who has been in foster care therefore you would have a lot more info as far as temperament.
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I guess my opinion on this would be...

If there's a chance of the Doberman getting into a serious or deadly fight with the other dog, why would you risk it?
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I have known a few male/male dobe pairings that have gone very smoothly, however, it really had more to do with the dogs than any type of training or teaching. Temperament plays a big part in any same sex pairing, I know from personal experience on that with 2 females. I would not want the same 2 dogs I have in male form, they would not be living happily together. Im not sure why its slightly easier to manage 2 females but it seems to be.
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I have two sides to the story. I have two males (intact) that love each other. They sleep together, play hard together, eat together and more. Then I have one that gets along with all the other males but hates the site of one of my males. I even doggy site in the summer for Dobie families and everybody gets along except these two certain males. The male with the problem is fixed the others are not. I have to mention they are all adult males.
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I have two sides to the story. I have two males (intact) that love each other. They sleep together, play hard together, eat together and more. Then I have one that gets along with all the other males but hates the site of one of my males. I even doggy site in the summer for Dobie families and everybody gets along except these two certain males. The male with the problem is fixed the others are not. I have to mention they are all adult males.
I know this is not relevant to the thread, but I would appreciate it if you didn't use my Nietzsche as your avatar photo.
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Alright I cant seem to find any same answers. I was told and read that I cannot get a MALE dobie because I have a MALE Boxer. My Boxer loves other dogs and gets along great with them just rough houses. My dog is neutered like every dog should be be. I contacted a Dobie breeder and he said there is no reason they couldnt get along as long as you teach them right from wrong. But people on here seem to totally against it and preach about same sex aggression.
SEE LINK BELOW TO LINK IN FIRST POST IN YOUR OTHER THREAD...so what can't you find?

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Just like people, dogs have PERSONALITIES. My very best friend is a 30 year Lic Vet Tech and Breeds Dobes with me. She is her clinics behaviorist & Nationalist. She is MY Guru!
We just had this discussion a week+ ago ,about two males in a house, she said she believes two males(IF Neutered) will often get along better than a boy and a girl and particularly a girl and a girl.
While We(Breeders of INTACT male Dobermans would NEVER put to intact males together....it is because they are territorial...and you add in girlie smells etc. to the mix and you get males that are “aggressive” male to male)

When you have a non dominant Neutered male (that has grown up playing well with others,it changes the dynamics quite a bit). And if they get a non dominant “lil brother” that is raised ‘subordinate’ to them, and that ‘brother’ is neutered before he (frankly)turns into an A-whole..The World is At Peace!!.
AND YOU have to be the Pack Leader and be THEIR Leader.....They will take your lead.


I have met plenty of friendly goofy Fun Loving neutered males that get along, and play well, with other males......So while I don’t think your Dobie forums are necessarily wrong..I think they are also operating under the age old belief at you cant put two males together AT ALL....Yet we see it all the time at dog parks and I know of people that have two neutered male Dobermans.

I think the KEY would be to have Breeder knowledgeable enuf to pick the RIGHT pup for the situation.

That is what the breeders response was.

This whole answer above is why this whole thread (aside from being your second post about the same thing) is pointless, you ask why not, and immediately act like you don't care because so and so said this and that and you know it will work....did you even read your responses in the other thread or check the link (at least 5+ other ones I could link for you with an easy DT search) it's never worth the risk! My bitch is ssa and I'd never risk trying to bring another bitch in that wasn't fully grown with a solid developed temperament I know would fit, and even then it's iffy!
She was around a 12 week old puppy I thought would grow to be her best friend....she's her worst enemy and she tried to kill her several times. They are not allowed to see each other ever again

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Rather than create 2-3 threads with the same questions a week apart, it would be easier if you'd just added to your prior discussion. I typed a long response in that last thread you created.

Didn't you say you wanted a companion to play with your young Boxer? How's that going to work if the Doberman DOES end up not liking other males? Then you'll have to exercise the 2 dogs separately and keep them apart, which kind of defeats the whole purpose of having a buddy for dog #1. If you are determined that you know best and can deal with 2 males, then go at it. Why ask DT for validation when you've gotten about 25 replies advising against it?

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I know this is not relevant to the thread, but I would appreciate it if you didn't use my Nietzsche as your avatar photo.
Wow, did they really take a photo of your dog without permission?

That redefines whole new levels of lame.
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Wow, did they really take a photo of your dog without permission?

That redefines whole new levels of lame.
Yep, not cool. Use a picture of one of your own dogs, don't take someone else's without permission.
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I am hoping they just found it on Google or something, and it wasn't deliberate. Regardless, that's probably my favorite photo of him... ever, and it means a lot to me. I didn't mean to derail the thread though. I guess I should have PM'd.
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I am hoping they just found it on Google or something, and it wasn't deliberate. Regardless, that's probably my favorite photo of him... ever, and it means a lot to me. I didn't mean to derail the thread though. I guess I should have PM'd.
Nah, I'm glad you addressed it publicly.

It's not like this thread was a productive one, anyway, being the OP already knows everything there is to know about working breeds and keeping multiple males
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1. No, not every dog should be neutered. I kind of like dogs and don't want them extinct in 20 years.

2. If you even have to contemplate what you are asking, then you are not cut out for a multi-male home.
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I didn't read all of the posts. I just wanted to say my daughter and son-in-law (with small children) got two male Great Dane puppies. As PUPPIES they were great. Shortly before a year old they were at each other all the time. In the end both dogs ended up being rehomed. Since they didn't do their homework before embarking on a dog quest these animals paid a price for it. And then there are some people that you can't tell anything to, because they were going to do whatever the heck they wanted. I just hate to see puppies that are loved as babies end up in a possible bad situation that maybe could/should have been avoided in the first place.
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You have a Boxer, a breed that can and more often than not suffers from issues of sex aggression. (I should know, I have owned one who did and have friends who own Boxers now who do)

You want to get a male Doberman another breed that can and more often than not suffers from the same issues, ie same sex aggression.

First and foremost, the majority of opinion on this site and any other is that putting a male Dobe with another male is likely to end in tears. It is nothing short of a disaster waiting to happen.

Both Boxers and Dobes are powerful dogs, they are both dominant dogs within the dog world, if you put the 2 together all might be fine and dandy, but as your Boxer gets older and becomes weaker and your Dobe becomes the boy he can be.

WWIII, can and most likely will be the result.

Your Boxer will not wish to concede his status of top dog and your young Dober will want that position for himself. It is the natural order of things.

You came on here to ask what the kick is, whether or not 2 males should be put together, the concensus has been NO!

Yes some folk have 2 males living together with little to no ruckus occurring because of, but they are in so small a minority you can count them on one hand. As my old mum used to say, 'they are as rare as blooming hens teeth'. And they are.
However, folk who have lived through/are living through male on male aggression issues between their 2 males, (I am within this number due to male on male aggression regards my Dobe and Terrier) we are in the majority.

And trust me, if you ignore that male on male aggression issues are a very real problem you may like to think on this. Vet bills in your country are stupidly expensive, maybe your wallet will be able to convince you whereas experienced folk telling you seemingly has no effect.

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Apparently the photo of Nietzsche is floating around Facebook. He has been the cover photo for Doberman Kingdom and is the current cover photo for "Doberman Pinscher" on Facebook. Just wanted to share that so no one thought the new member that was mentioned above deliberately used it knowing he was my dog or something. I guess Nietzsche is becoming one with jdd's Shelby whose picture appears in all the far corners of the internet and everywhere in between.
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Apparently the photo of Nietzsche is floating around Facebook. He has been the cover photo for Doberman Kingdom and is the current cover photo for "Doberman Pinscher" on Facebook. Just wanted to share that so no one thought the new member that was mentioned above deliberately used it knowing he was my dog or something. I guess Nietzsche is becoming one with jdd's Shelby whose picture appears in all the far corners of the internet and everywhere in between.
Yeah, I saw it on Instagram once too along with other DT member's photos. It's a sad reality, but I really think members on dog forums need to watermark their photos.
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Are females more hyper and vocal then the males
These dogs tend to be individuals, so the right answer is that it depends on the individual dog. Some females are more hyper and vocal and some Males are more hyper and vocal.

I currently have one of each. At home my Male is more hyper than my Female. Wherever they are my Female is more vocal than my Male. When they are out running and playing my Female is more hyper than my Male, but that is primarily due to age. Lola will turn 1 year on Feb 12, and Wheeler is 4 years old.

Honestly, it just depends on the individual dog.
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Yeah, I saw it on Instagram once too along with other DT member's photos. It's a sad reality, but I really think members on dog forums need to watermark their photos.
I remember my horror when someone here notified me that someone stole a bunch of Red's photos and used them for fake profiles on The Daily Puppy. Looking back, its kinda funny now - imagine "Bueno, the water rescue dog!" But at the time I felt so violated - it was awful. Thankfully all my friends here ganged up on that site and got them taken down, but I watermarked all my photos after that. It's sad that you have to watermark stuff so people don't steal it.
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