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Old 01-22-2013, 02:06 PM   #26 (permalink)
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If you love dogs and the breed and are willing to give the pup a new home, I say go for it it's just a look and an endearing one at that!


6 weeks old (i don't have any 8 week shots but this is roughly what the pup will look like)





6 months old I just loved their ears, very soft! And the tail being full really shows a lot of their attitude.



I just loved the way the ears fly in the wind!


Thanks for the pics, I hope to be taking some myself as I meet with the rescue and see the puppies once they're born!
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Let's put it this way. If there were two Dobes, both suitable for my family, and one was C/D and one was natural, I'd take the natural one in a heartbeat.
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I didn't really appreciate the natural ears/tail until I "babysat" a Doberman with ears/tail for ten days. After having her in the house, I felt like MY Dobe looked like she was missing parts! Ha!

So yes, I would!
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My dog has floppy ears and he can definitely be expressive with them.

Ivan not amused with ears plastered down and back.

What's that? When something catches his attention, he can really rotate them forward and look alert - more so than this picture shows.

I also LOVE playing with his floppy ears and love catching them in action photos flying all over the place.

All that said, I originally wanted a cropped dog. It's definitely not important to me anymore.

Ivan is docked. There have been plenty of times when training for SAR someone will point out how the Lab's or GSD's tail has changed position when the dog gets in odor. Ivan's little nub isn't nearly as communicative - at least not visibly so from a distance. I sometimes wonder if I'd have an easier time reading him if his tail was intact.
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Here is what some really, really nice all natural dobermans look like. Check out the portraits.

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Odiakoh, I didn't mean to say that people don't love the breed as much if they prefer c/d just once the choice is gone you realise it is irrelevant. Given the choice I would possibly still have docked as that is what I have had before and that is familiar,but now i have no choice I am just glad to be getting a Dobermann. I find it sad that many who profess to love the breed won't entertain one with a tail. No offence meant,you in USA have choice.
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Old 01-22-2013, 02:43 PM   #34 (permalink)
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I rescued Lexi at 12 weeks old and kept her natural.
The one thing I can warn you with is...during a good body shake....stand clear of the tail.
I've been whipped in the legs by it multiple times, which stings that much more when it's winter and your legs are cold.

Other then that, I get a ridiculous amount of compliments because I left her natural. Probably because it's so rare. I've seen a few dobes with natural ears but the tail has always been docked. Never once with both tail and ears natural.
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Thank you all for your comments, the curly tail is cute and floppy ears are too. Do you think these breeds are more affectionate them other breeds? I've read that they are very needy and always wants loving, which is a great trait. I've known other breeds that are kinda like cats and could care less if you are in the room or not..


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We call them velcro dogs for a reason. They are very needy in the attention, mental stimulation and excerise departments...did I mention VERY needy.
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Yeah, maybe someone should warn you that doberman puppies are very time consuming little guys. They are rowdy and busy, busy, busy...then asleep for 3-4 hours...wake up and it starts all over again.

A doberman puppy is not like any other puppy you have raised...not even close. You can't spank or do physical corrections without your bond with them suffering. They don't understand being hit/spanked by the person they love and worship.

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After all that is working pretty well, your puppy will hit the teen-ager stage and forget/ignore all you have taught him and look at you like you are stupid as they go ahead and do what they know is taboo.

That's just being a doberman and this too shall pass and your other dog will appear once again... PATIENCE is the key.
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Why not? It's how they actually do look after all. They are still the same awesome dog, just look a bit different. And in many Western European countries that is all you'd be able to get, as docking and cropping is illegal there.
But you are the one who has to look at it and live with it, so you have to decide if you like it or not.
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Id be leery of a natural tail, as they can be whip like.

my personal preference is cropped and docked. but there are times I wish my boy could be more expressive with his tail. lol
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I would absolutely rescue an all natural, the ears and tail are not what makes the breed. However, I do personally prefer the cropped and docked look. I absolutely love his nub, and how it wiggles when he is super happy, as well as the way he uses his cropped ears.
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A Doberman is a Doberman, to me it really wouldn't matter if it was all natural, docked and natural ears or d/c. My boy has a docked tail and floppy ears, I really like the look. I get the fun expressions with the big floppy ears, and I get to enjoy is stub tail wiggling. I love it.

*writing this as he ever so gently nibbles on my ear lobe.. lol... what a mush.*
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I think if you wanted to have a cropped/docked pup, you could adopt it & take it to a trusted vet to be done, depending on the age of the pup, but that would be extra money added.

I really really prefer the cropped/docked look & if they ban it in the US before I can get one, it may just sway me to get my next favorite breed. That said, I do have a liking for natural & all natural too, but if I were to get natural in any shape or form, it would have to be a very good representation of the breed standard, meaning I probably wouldn't rescue. If my dobe has natural ears I love the pendulant ears, not the ones that you see sometimes flop back like rose ears, not light boned like some, & must have the strong cat like feet, but yeah, I've seen some really nice natural looking dobes, but I am picky.
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Would you adopt a dobe with a tail and uncut ears?

I did find a vet to dock the puppy at 10 weeks and another in the area to crop the ears. Just not sure if its the best thing since docking is done in a few days . Once the puppies are born, I should get a chance to talk the rescue place and see what exactly their thoughts are .


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Docking is a BIG ordeal when done at 10 weeks. I also do not think that will be allowed by the rescue group. Usually you will have a contract stating that you will NOT do that.
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I did find a vet to dock the puppy at 10 weeks and another in the area to crop the ears. Just not sure if its the best thing since docking is done in a few days . Once the puppies are born, I should get a chance to talk the rescue place and see what exactly their thoughts are .


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This would be an amputation at that age requiring anesthesia and then more anesthesia to crop the ears at a different place. If the rescue approves it, you must have it all done at once. Any anesthesia is a risk!!!
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I would absolutely adopt an all natural dobe. I have a docked, natural eared beauty. She has lovely ears. I like dobes in any fashion and would adopt any that I felt a connection with so that they could have a wonderful forever home.

10 weeks is way too old to think about amputating the pup's tail. If you are looking into this and cropping I think an all natural dobe is not the right one for you and perhaps you should rethink this or adopt an older one already cropped and docked.
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I agree with linda and asmit, I wouldn't do it.

If you really want and only want a cropped/docked dobe then look for one that is/will come that way.

Docking at that age is amputation and much more of an ordeal and painful (i've dealt with several 12-16 week amputees ) It's just plain no fun nor imo fair to the pup.

If it is enough of a surgery to be classified an amputation then it should be due to medical reasons not personal preference, just my opinion.
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[quote=PatchworkRobot;1290953]My answer is simple - hell yes.
I would love to own a completely natural doberman one day.

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I agree! This type is what I'd love to get for my next dobie which will be a rescue.
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Although I personally love the look of a cropped and docked doberman, in exchange for rescuing a dog, I will gladly adopt a natural and/or undocked doberman. A dobie is a dobie no matter what the cosmetics, when it comes down to it.
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Yes I would! I prefer cropped and docked but adopted a natural and docked. I love the c/d look but it doesn't change the dog. Besides factory ears are soft and fun to squish, twirl, and flop around. Natural ears give them a softer inquisitive look.
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I did find a vet to dock the puppy at 10 weeks and another in the area to crop the ears. Just not sure if its the best thing since docking is done in a few days . Once the puppies are born, I should get a chance to talk the rescue place and see what exactly their thoughts are .


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I am not going to echo what everyone else is explaining regarding this subject.

However, has anyone seen a cropped, undocked doberman?

Also, I would see what the rescue thinks about cosmetic surgeries such as cropping ears. Many will have you sign a contract for adoption (or the like) stating that you agree to adopt under certain restrictions, which probably involve in writing, unnecessary cosmetic surgeries.


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