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Old 01-05-2013, 07:53 PM   #51 (permalink)
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" My dog stays outside most of the day (even in the snow) " If you do not know Doberman's are a single coated dog not made to stay outside all day even with a coat on. Also the only reason why he has not went after female's in heat he is still a puppy male Dobes are not sexually mature until 2-3 years old. Evidently you are unaware how a wolf or coyote's work they will have a female go in to lure out the dog then have the dog follow it then the pack attacks and dog is lunch. MIL lived in Iowa on 80 acres dealt with lots of coyote's. Please just put up a run if you cannot afford to fence a large area just make it larger over time. In most cases your dog may not be staying at home like you think dogs will chase livestock, get in with a pack of dogs do all kinds of stuff they are smart know when it is time for you to come home they go home before you do. Good Luck with you puppy.
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I guess I must be naive because I would never take the chance to leave my dog or children outside by themselves if I knew there were roaming dogs in the neighbourhood. I wouldn't want to potentially risk my loved ones to find out if the roaming dogs were vicious or not.
If there are dogs in your neighborhood there are roaming dogs, because dogs get out all the time. So why let your children outside at all? Oh you have a fence? You think a pitbull cant jump over a 7ft fence? It happens all the time. So why let your children outside at all when there is a chance a roaming dog will attack them.
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" My dog stays outside most of the day (even in the snow) " If you do not know Doberman's are a single coated dog not made to stay outside all day even with a coat on. Also the only reason why he has not went after female's in heat he is still a puppy male Dobes are not sexually mature until 2-3 years old. Evidently you are unaware how a wolf or coyote's work they will have a female go in to lure out the dog then have the dog follow it then the pack attacks and dog is lunch. MIL lived in Iowa on 80 acres dealt with lots of coyote's. Please just put up a run if you cannot afford to fence a large area just make it larger over time. In most cases your dog may not be staying at home like you think dogs will chase livestock, get in with a pack of dogs do all kinds of stuff they are smart know when it is time for you to come home they go home before you do. Good Luck with you puppy.
My dog goes in and out as he pleases. There is a nice dog who comes through who is a female in heat. My dog tries to hump her every second he gets, which is why he's probably outside most of the time. When the female wonders off, my dog does not follow her because of his proximity collar THATS how good it works; he is not running away when im gone and timing it perfectly when i get back all while getting shocked.

Also, doberman owners need to be able to run their dogs at least 3 miles every other day when dogs are in their prime. If you take your dogs out on a stroller ride down the block and back, thats simply not going to do it. These dogs are HIGH drive animals, not for inactive people. Its borderline animal cruelty to not run,walk, exercise your dog at least 3 times a week for 1 hour each session. If you cannot do this, you shouldnt own a doberman. Plz give your dogs away to someone who can give them an active lifestyle
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If there are dogs in your neighborhood there are roaming dogs, because dogs get out all the time. So why let your children outside at all? Oh you have a fence? You think a pitbull cant jump over a 7ft fence? It happens all the time. So why let your children outside at all when there is a chance a roaming dog will attack them.
There's a difference between sending a child or dog outside to play by itself when there's roaming dogs and supervising said outdoor play when there's roaming dogs. Many dogs, even little dogs, can jump a 6-8ft fence... heck my pappy's JRT male popped over their 10ft privacy fence when he smelled a female in heat. But if you're out there at least you'll have some chance to stop the attack before anyone gets killed or more seriously injured if they have to be.

On another forum I frequent someone recently posted about their two dogs they'd left in their fenced yard for an hour. Came back and one dog was so bloodied that it bled to death on the way to the vet and the other was seriously injured. Did they fight? Later it was discovered that there are both coyotes and other large wild animals as well as roaming dogs in that person's neighborhood. Did something get into their yard and take off when the dogs didn't back down from the fight? Maybe the dogs themselves did fight and that wasn't preventable, but if they'd been supervised they should have been able to be separated before that much damage was done to both of them. Or the owner could have chased the mystery animal out of the yard or recalled the dogs to get back in the house before they got mauled. That's a mystery that will never be solved and the owner now has to suffer through the loss of one dog and the near loss of the other, plus emergency vet bills to cover the care of their survivor.

So, to repeat what others have said, build a fence and start supervising outdoor time. Also while an unpopular opinion, I also agree that if a dog was constantly on my property attacking my dog and its owner was not willing to fix the problem, I'd resort to shooting it. That said my property would have a fence and I'd be right in the thick of things trying to pull their dogs off of my dog, so it would be no one's fault but their own that their dogs are not where they belong or doing what they should.
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OP leaves dog outside in the snow, isn't doing much to protect it from vicious attacks, and watches as the dog humps a female in heat (seemingly, without managing it) and then goes after Patches (the forum member) for no reason that I can see.

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If there are dogs in your neighborhood there are roaming dogs, because dogs get out all the time. So why let your children outside at all? Oh you have a fence? You think a pitbull cant jump over a 7ft fence? It happens all the time. So why let your children outside at all when there is a chance a roaming dog will attack them.
Hey I'm a cautious Canadian who cannot bear arms to shoot to kill a potentially vicious roaming dog. That being said I do have a fence that I spent a lot of money on to keep my dog and kids in my yard and other people and animals out if possible. I'm quite aware that animals and dogs can scale fences but I fortunately live in a neighbourhood where all of my neighbours have fences and are vigilant on keeping their dogs in their fenced yards or in their homes. There are no "outside" dogs where I live. It is a foreign concept in my neighbourhood. I let my kids out with my supervision except for the teenager because he is older and I don't have a roaming dog issue where I live. As I said if I did have this issue I wouldn't let them outside because they wouldn't be safe.

I don't understand why you keep twisting things around. The bottom line is that you have a problem with roaming potentially vicious dogs attacking your unsupervised dog out in your unfenced yard. I don't have this problem.
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My dog goes in and out as he pleases. There is a nice dog who comes through who is a female in heat. My dog tries to hump her every second he gets, which is why he's probably outside most of the time. When the female wonders off, my dog does not follow her because of his proximity collar THATS how good it works; he is not running away when im gone and timing it perfectly when i get back all while getting shocked.

Also, doberman owners need to be able to run their dogs at least 3 miles every other day when dogs are in their prime. If you take your dogs out on a stroller ride down the block and back, thats simply not going to do it. These dogs are HIGH drive animals, not for inactive people. Its borderline animal cruelty to not run,walk, exercise your dog at least 3 times a week for 1 hour each session. If you cannot do this, you shouldnt own a doberman. Plz give your dogs away to someone who can give them an active lifestyle
Wait... you know there's a female who goes into heat and spends time on your property and you've done nothing to keep your intact male away from her?

I live in an apartment. I have no yard to speak of. Skoll gets at least a 2 miles walk every day. If I have time between work and school, he goes on a 4-6 mile walk (depending on how tired he is) and that's been averaging to about 2-3 times per week. He also gets multiple potty walks and at least 2 sessions of offleash time outside (with a fence, mind you) per day. Your dog does not have to be outside 24/7 in order to accomplish this.
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If there are dogs in your neighborhood there are roaming dogs, because dogs get out all the time. So why let your children outside at all? Oh you have a fence? You think a pitbull cant jump over a 7ft fence? It happens all the time. So why let your children outside at all when there is a chance a roaming dog will attack them.
A good quality fence certainly reduces the chances of anything bad happening. I don't think Pittbulls jumping fences to attack people happens all the time. That sounds like more negative stereotypes placed upon the breed which have more basis in fiction than reality. Just like all the negative rumors surrounding Dobermans or Rottweilers etc.
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My dog goes in and out as he pleases. There is a nice dog who comes through who is a female in heat. My dog tries to hump her every second he gets, which is why he's probably outside most of the time. When the female wonders off, my dog does not follow her because of his proximity collar THATS how good it works; he is not running away when im gone and timing it perfectly when i get back all while getting shocked.

Also, doberman owners need to be able to run their dogs at least 3 miles every other day when dogs are in their prime. If you take your dogs out on a stroller ride down the block and back, thats simply not going to do it. These dogs are HIGH drive animals, not for inactive people. Its borderline animal cruelty to not run,walk, exercise your dog at least 3 times a week for 1 hour each session. If you cannot do this, you shouldnt own a doberman. Plz give your dogs away to someone who can give them an active lifestyle
IDK much. But I know one thing for certain and that is, if my dog is outside, I am outside. As simple as that. If I am not willing to stay outside with my dog, OR I can't afford a decent fence, then I cannot afford that particular dog.

So how much time do I end up spending outside with my dog each and every day, rain, snow, or wind? This varies in the winter as dog gets cold and is not a big fan of the rain. Around 2-3 hours off leash. About 1/2-1 hour on leash training. Add on leash walk to that too when the weather is warmer. This has been common with all dogs I have owned.

A fence is good but in my opinion is not a substitute for regular exercise. I will never understand why people get high energy breeds if they are adverse to exercising with them.

Hate to say it man, but you are simply trying to justify your poor actions. The fact you have an unneutered dog which is trying to mate with a bitch is one of the reasons why shelter and pounds are killing thousands of unwanted dogs each year.
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I had similar problem with our neighbor's dogs. They were attacking me and our 3 old that time, talking to them didnt work. Called sheriff; they said they dont have money to put a fence because (ta daaa!) " they spend all their spare money on kids hobby" that was dirt bikes (also thru our property).
We ended up hiring a contractor, who put a fence on the part of the backyard. For around 350 running feet (about 10 000 sq ft) we paid less than 3000$. Chainlink fence with a drive thru gate and two walk-in gates, 5 ft tall. Took two days total. This fence runs less than $10 per foot; materials plus labor.
When we get more money, we are going to put fence around whole property.Since we put that fence, I am calm seeing other dogs wandering on our property. I know that my girls are safe.
Thats not such big money that I think you couldnt do for your dog and his safety. It's worth more than your nerves and dog's pain.
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Wait... you know there's a female who goes into heat and spends time on your property and you've done nothing to keep your intact male away from her?

I live in an apartment. I have no yard to speak of. Skoll gets at least a 2 miles walk every day. If I have time between work and school, he goes on a 4-6 mile walk (depending on how tired he is) and that's been averaging to about 2-3 times per week. He also gets multiple potty walks and at least 2 sessions of offleash time outside (with a fence, mind you) per day. Your dog does not have to be outside 24/7 in order to accomplish this.
You live in an apartment with a doberman. What a joke. You need to give your dog away to someone with at least a yard, otherwise you are just torturing the poor animal.
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OR shoot the roaming vicious dogs before someone elses pooch gets attacked. Putting up a fence is a great option but it wont solve the problem when my daughter takes my dog on a walk, but thanks anyway for the, uhhhh, advice.
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I had similar problem with our neighbor's dogs. They were attacking me and our 3 old that time, talking to them didnt work. Called sheriff; they said they dont have money to put a fence because (ta daaa!) " they spend all their spare money on kids hobby" that was dirt bikes (also thru our property).
We ended up hiring a contractor, who put a fence on the part of the backyard. For around 350 running feet (about 10 000 sq ft) we paid less than 3000$. Chainlink fence with a drive thru gate and two walk-in gates, 5 ft tall. Took two days total. This fence runs less than $10 per foot; materials plus labor.
When we get more money, we are going to put fence around whole property.Since we put that fence, I am calm seeing other dogs wandering on our property. I know that my girls are safe.
Thats not such big money that I think you couldnt do for your dog and his safety. It's worth more than your nerves and dog's pain.
A chainlink fence wont keep an aggressive dog out of your yard. You need to stay with your animals ALL the time just in case a pitbull decides to jump over the fence. You sound like a terrible dog owner. I would recommend a book called "Owning a dog for complete morons 3rd edition".
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You live in an apartment with a doberman. What a joke. You need to give your dog away to someone with at least a yard, otherwise you are just torturing the poor animal.
Yup I do. I should mention that I have a very nice large apartment that is able to fit both of my roommates, myself, and all of our animals inside of it with plenty of room. My dog spends more time outside than many people who have houses and yards as a result because I have no way to be lazy and just let him out for 10 minutes to crap. I certainly know for a fact that he spends more time outside than the 4 muttfaces mentioned in my signature combined, and all of them live in houses with fenced yards.

You however live in a house with a large property and your dog gets mauled repeatedly. I'm not so sure if I'm the one torturing dogs here.
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Asking legit questions and helping most of you people realize that dogs require real exercise not "walks around the block" is not a troll. The only trolls are the people who keep dobermans locked in an apartment all day with no yard. Thats just terrible. If you're in a wheelchair get a yorkie, not a dobe.
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Just because a dog can roam an open space, by no means it is getting positive exercise. On leash training can be much more stimulating and exhausting for a dog than pointlessly roaming around a bit of land. And I wouldn't start calling out people on this site for being lazy dog owners. Have you looked at how many of those "dobermans locked in apartments all day" have titles?
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Yup I do. I should mention that I have a very nice large apartment that is able to fit both of my roommates, myself, and all of our animals inside of it with plenty of room. My dog spends more time outside than many people who have houses and yards as a result because I have no way to be lazy and just let him out for 10 minutes to crap. I certainly know for a fact that he spends more time outside than the 4 muttfaces mentioned in my signature combined, and all of them live in houses with fenced yards.

You however live in a house with a large property and your dog gets mauled repeatedly. I'm not so sure if I'm the one torturing dogs here.
You need a yard. This is not rocket science lady. If your dog has no yard to run around in, you may as well keep him in a jail cell. Your dog will not be happy without a yard and its absolutely disgusting that you force an animal designed to run and play cooped up in a 'apartment' with no yard. Sick.
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Asking legit questions and helping most of you people realize that dogs require real exercise not "walks around the block" is not a troll. The only trolls are the people who keep dobermans locked in an apartment all day with no yard. Thats just terrible. If you're in a wheelchair get a yorkie, not a dobe.
U R so Klassee

Besides Patchesmom is NOT in a wheelchair.

That's a souped-up turbo-charged jetbike, from which she performs national security threat assessments.

She is, in fact, in charge of a whole contingent of Ninjas.

Better yet, she also commands some Super Sekrit Snow Ninjas, which can surround your house and install a real fence in twelve minutes flat, all without leaving a single mark in the snow.
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Just because a dog can roam an open space, by no means it is getting positive exercise. On leash training can be much more stimulating and exhausting for a dog than pointlessly roaming around a bit of land. And I wouldn't start calling out people on this site for being lazy dog owners. Have you looked at how many of those "dobermans locked in apartments all day" have titles?
Leash training? Leash training isnt going to exhaust a doberman unless you have him out there for 5 hrs. LOL. You need to RUN your dog. They are designed to run, not pull on your leash. Your dog needs to reach full strides for short periods of time. You sound more like a poodle owner than a doberman owner. PLZ do yourself a favor- give your doberman away to someone that can handle working dogs and get a poodle or yorkie, thanks
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