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Old 01-02-2013, 02:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
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A new neighbor moved into the neighborhood and while driving home I saw two dobies in the front yard. So of course I stopped. That's when the red flags came out. First time owner, two males, uncropped, not neuter, 9month puppies from same litter. Oh boy, what did I get myself into. First I asked where did they come from. He tells me from a breeder. So I asked Who? well to no ones surprize it was not a breeder. I discussed known male on male agression. He thinks because they l-o-v-e each other there won't be a problem. Then he tells me one is so sweet that he wants to breed one of them. That's when the discussion got serious about BYB(greeders). He asks me what do I know about Warlock because the BYB tells him the dogs are from the Warlock line. I almost had to sit down for that one. I told him about DT and doing searches about all the things we talked about and to be prepared. Get off the crap food he is feeding and get into dog training. He works from home so I know I will be seeing more of him. I went home and printed info to give him and then walked back up to the house with Roxy. Roxy being 7 years is like the Grand Dame when it come to puppies and promptly put those 2 boys in their place. The info I gave him was male on male aggression, what to do when a dog fight arises, dog food analysis site, the book "Calming Signals", (I had an extra copy) and how to dremmel the nails.
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And another fool believed the byb bullsh!t line. I bet the new owner spent more time deciding which sport package to get from Directv than he did on researching dobes.
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Sheesh, sounds like you have your work cut out for you. Hopefully he keeps an open mind and takes your advice to heart, and good on you for patiently educating him.
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(2) 9 month old males - Geez! Hope he really, really appreciates you printing out the information and I hope he reads it.
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I assume they are also littermates?

Good for you for trying to educate him. Hopefully he's open minded and will learn some things.
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I'm glad that you're there, and took the time with him to talk about the breed, and about his dogs. Maybe he'll feel comfortable coming to you for advice or help should the need arise!
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Thanks or being a good person and trying to educate and help him, some owners will never understand. As I have only seen one other dobe in my borough (though there are probably more hiding somewhere) i try to educate those on any breed in general some take it into consideration others the skull is too thick to mend. Hopefully this guy will understand the risk he took with getting two males and make sure they can cooexist properly


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He's lucky you found him. Out of curiosity, how did he take the information you gave him?
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What if he comes here and sees this as a personal attack? Then you'll lose his trust and the dogs will never get help.
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lets be little patient here, he has a few hard lessons in front of him, but he may have found a good neighbor. (a rare thing) I have hope!! Good luck DOBEGAL

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What if he comes here and sees this as a personal attack? Then you'll lose his trust and the dogs will never get help.
I told him to come to DT and search however to be prepared.
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Old 01-02-2013, 08:02 PM   #12 (permalink)
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He's lucky you found him. Out of curiosity, how did he take the information you gave him?
Every thing I was telling him he was putting the info into his phone. He works from home and appears to be tech savy. He's young but did not appear to be in his early 20's. He bought a lake front home on a private lake which is not cheap. He appeared to want the best for his dogs and was eager for info.
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Well the eagerness is a good thing hopefully hell come to you for further guidance and if he does join DT i hope he understands our constructive criticism is only to help and educate him not bash him as many mistaken that for


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I agree, I hope he does join, in fact when I see him again I will ask him.
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You just rocked his world! I DO hope he takes your advice and knowledge to heart and pops up on here. Bless you for spending your time trying at the very least. Maybe if you start talking to him more you can get him to meet some Doberman rescue people and go to some dog shows and speak with good breeders and see their nice examples of the breed.
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^^ I agree. All you have done has been excellent and you are probably the best thing to have walked into his life. To most they are just dogs, but you know better!

I am in a similar situation. 7 month old dobie owner, first dobie, probably byb product (bought from some big online puppy site), no socialization, little to no interatction, parents care for dog, now turning aggressive...

I met the individual's mother (said person is 1 year younger than me- I'm 22) at a local pet store with Rou. She gave me said person's name and number for me to help him with the pet... I guess he has been building issues steadily for some time. I have been trying to get this individual to join us for our dobie pup group outings so he can redirect his poor behavior and salvage the pup while socializing. Right now, he can go down the right path with some help, but the road he is going right now... it isn't looking good.

Pup recently neutered, but vet said strict rest for... 2 weeks... and for a pup who needs so much exercise, time and devotion!!??!! The usual rest and recover period is no longer that 10-14 days! Now he is trying to dominate the household... Said person told me he is nipping and baring his teeth at him

I feel terrible... but what can you do? I can only say so much, I don't want to say too much and possibly "scare" this person away.

We have only exchanged text messages... I don't think this person knows what they are getting into... but they need to get off of their behind and make room in their life for the pup they bought (for a darn pretty penny!) and start taking charge!!!

My last message stated:

"A tired puppy is a happy puppy" (I invited them out with another fellow DTer and our pups at a local park within reasonable distance)

I got "Haha okay" as a response... I don't make this stuff up!!

What do you do???

(I did not mean to hijack this thread, but I am trying to be desecrate regarding situation! HELP!!!)

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^^ I agree. All you have done has been excellent and you are probably the best thing to have walked into his life. To most they are just dogs, but you know better!

I am in a similar situation. 7 month old dobie owner, first dobie, probably byb product (bought from some big online puppy site), no socialization, little to no interatction, parents care for dog, now turning aggressive...

I met the individual's mother (said person is 1 year younger than me- I'm 22) at a local pet store with Rou. She gave me said person's name and number for me to help him with the pet... I guess he has been building issues steadily for some time. I have been trying to get this individual to join us for our dobie pup group outings so he can redirect his poor behavior and salvage the pup while socializing. Right now, he can go down the right path with some help, but the road he is going right now... it isn't looking good.

Pup recently neutered, but vet said strict rest for... 2 weeks... and for a pup who needs so much exercise, time and devotion!!??!! The usual rest and recover period is no longer that 10-14 days! Now he is trying to dominate the household... Said person told me he is nipping and baring his teeth at him

I feel terrible... but what can you do? I can only say so much, I don't want to say too much and possibly "scare" this person away.

We have only exchanged text messages... I don't think this person knows what they are getting into... but they need to get off of their behind and make room in their life for the pup they bought (for a darn pretty penny!) and start taking charge!!!

My last message stated:

"A tired puppy is a happy puppy" (I invited them out with another fellow DTer and our pups at a local park within reasonable distance)

I got "Haha okay" as a response... I don't make this stuff up!!

What do you do???

(I did not mean to hijack this thread, but I am trying to be desecrate regarding situation! HELP!!!)
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. Despite your attempts it sounds like this person isn't receptive to learning. This is rather unfortunate for the poor puppy and frustrating for you!

You may want to provide them with links to reputable rescues in your vicinity

To the OP: I'm glad your new neighbour seems to be open minded and willing to learn!
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Hopefully said person comes through tomorrow as he will be in in the area at some point to visit his vet for recheck after castration.

I brought up this forum, but apparently this person isn't much of a computer person?

Oh well... At least it seems his parent understands the severity, but when supporting your family, you need to work and the dog goes to the sidelines depending on the situation...

All I can do is inform and help them understand. I have to say that at least our little dobie play group is big on getting the pups out and about! it would be nice to add one more, but without compliance (which shouldn't be so hard is you truly love your dog) there is no win to the situation.
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