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Old 12-20-2012, 07:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Freezy Pees smell

Due the amount of snow we had and the unrelenting cold temperatures, there is only a small area of my patio where the dogs go pee. It is really starting to smell, frozen or not..........

What can I use there that won't just make a sheet of ice? I'm thinking I need something they use in kennels but I don't know what that would be.
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Old 12-20-2012, 11:32 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Good luck with that! We had/ have the same problem but all seasons from Princess Calamity. She thinks its beneath her now to walk off the patio or sidewalk. One would think that was great in the summer time when you can just spray it off, NOT. For some reason it wouldn't spray off. I would even let the sprinkler run over it for hours.
I then started trying all kinds of solutions from the pet stores, Home Depot etc.

Finally I did some research and tried vinegar and baking soda if real bad, sometimes I would scrub with a brush other times not, viola it worked. Even on hot days I would regularly spray the yard with a vinegar water mixture and sometimes follow it with a baking soda water mixture (didn't have any grass, just plants, dirt and gravel). Made a huge difference. Ohh and bonus, the dogs stayed away from the treated patio area at least until a good rain washed the vinegar away.

I don't know about freezing but hey the pee freezes too.


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We tried Lyme, didn't help. That was summer though, don't know if that matters.


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Old 12-21-2012, 01:00 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I forgot the site where I took this article from.
Few weeks after G staying w/ us, she got diareah badly. Accidently peeing & poop (super liquid) in our car carpet (not the removeable one, but the one which act as the car flooring) when we took her to the vet.
We used hydrogen peroxide (H2O2), baking soda and liquid soap... the bad smell gone.

We have tried various of things (incl washing at the expensive automotive saloon, everything is fail). Like magic, the chemist solution works



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Odor Solution: 1 quart of 3 percent hydrogen peroxide, which costs about $2 at a drugstore; 1/4 cup of baking soda; and 1 teaspoon of liquid soap, which breaks up the oils in the skunk spray and allows the other ingredients in the solution to do their stuff. The solution should be rinsed off the pet with tap water.


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CHEMIST HAS THE POWER TO TAME SKUNK'S SPRAY by Peter Kendall Copyright 1994 by the Chicago Tribune
Salk conquered polio. Einstein unraveled relativity. And Krebaum? Well, Paul Krebaum, it appears, has developed the first home remedy for skunk spray. If ever an idea was in the air, it was this: How do you get rid of the smell that comes from two tiny but ingenious glands at the business end of a skunk? A garden hose is impotent, soap is utterly useless, and tomato juice is a quaint old wives' tale that has left many people with skunk-sprayed dogs that not only stink, but are pink. But Krebaum's formula, distributed nationally in recent months on e-mail and in state agriculture department bulletins, is winning over converts who thought the only viable antidote was the passage of time. The story of how Krebaum, a Lisle, IL chemist, has conquered the fetid, putrid odor of skunk is a simple tale of necessity being the mother of invention. But, alas, Krebaum's formula will never bring riches to its inventor, for the solution is trapped within a cruel chemical Catch-22. The very chemical properties that make his formula deodorize skunk spray make it impossible to package. It will burst out of any bottle. If the story of Krebaum's formula is ever made into a movie, the first scene will show Krebaum working away in his lab at Molex Inc. in Lisle. His face is screwed up as he smells something bad. He is doing research using chemicals called thiols - some of the nastiest smelling chemicals around. Thiols are produced by many things, including the degradation of proteins. Thiols are responsible for the odors that comes from decomposing flesh and fecal matter. Most animals have a deep-seated repulsion to thiols, a gift of evolution that keeps them from eating things that will make them ill. Using basic chemistry knowledge, Krebaum figured out a way to get these foul smelling thiols out of his lab by changing them into other compounds. The trick was oxidation - getting oxygen molecules to bond with thiols and change them into things that didn't smell bad at all. To do that, he made a solution of simple ingredients - hydrogen peroxide and sodium bicarbonate (baking soda); that did the trick quite well. The solution threw off oxygen like a dog shakes off water, and some of that oxygen grabbed onto the thiols and neutralized them. Meanwhile, in Lisle and elsewhere, evolution had been chugging along for eons and produced an animal that scientists call mephitis mephitis, the common striped skunk. Natural selection led the skunk to develop a spray that exploits other animals aversion to thiols. Skunk spray is, fundamentally, essence of putrefaction. But fate never would bring mephitis mephitis and Paul Krebaum together, at least not directly. Krebaum has himself never smelled skunk spray at any greater concentration than that lingering in the air on a country road. There were intermediaries - one of Krebaum's colleagues and a pet cat. "He came into work and said his cat had an encounter with a skunk", Krebaum recalled. "He said he had tried tomato juice, and it didn't work, and the cat still wasn't able to come into the house." Krebaum knew skunk spray was made of thiols ("general knowledge", he calls it) and suggested using a variation of the formula he used for getting rid of thiols in the lab. "He came back the next day and said the stuff worked like magic, that every trace of the skunk odor is completely gone from the cat, "Krebaum said.
In October of 1993, Chemical and Engineering News published Krebaum's formula. One of the most interested readers of the article was Tom McCutcheon, who was then with the West Virginia Department of Agriculture. McCutcheon, a plant pest biologist, was something of an answer man for callers to the department. "We'd get probably a dozen calls a year, "What do we do, our pet's been sprayed by a skunk,'"McCutcheon said. "Tomato juice is the old remedy. Everybody would say, 'We tried that, and it doesn't work at all.' We really didn't have a remedy." When he read of Krebaum's formula, he was skeptical. Over the years, he had learned never to recommend anything he hadn't tried himself, but getting sprayed by a skunk posed practical difficulties. It was while driving last February through the hickory and oaks forests of Roane County, West Virginia, that McCutcheon spotted a road-killed skunk. More hit than run over and preserved by the late winter chill, the skunk was in fine shape. Carefully, he wrapped the skunk inside two plastic bags and put it in the trunk. He knew he had a potent specimen for his experiment when he went into a drugstore to buy the ingredients for Krebaum's formula and the druggist noticed the smell on McCutcheon's clothing. Back behind his office, he made the solution. "The whole time, my eyes were watering - I had never been this close to a skunk in all my life, "he said. "I dunked the skunk in the bucket, and immediately the smell went away. I was very surprised and impressed."
Krebaum had briefly considered trying to figure out a way to patent his formula, but quickly abandoned the idea. "Once you mix the hydrogen peroxide with the baking soda, it is no longer stable,"said Krebaum. "You can't store it in a bottle, because it would explode from all the oxygen." "It wasn't worth trying to get a patent on it because I couldn't put it in a bottle," said Krebaum. "So why not make this a free gift to humanity type deal."
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Old 12-21-2012, 01:16 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I don't think my dogs paws would take rock salt and lime???

Not sure about the peroxide, but going to think about that.
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I find just plain undiluted white vinegar in a spray bottle works really well and isn't harmful to the dogs.

Please be really careful with rock salt-
Hundreds of dogs and cats die from rock salt scattered by gritters in big freeze | Mail Online
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Odoban works well but we don't have your freezing temps You can get it at Home Depot stores. Simple green might work also.
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Odoban works well but we don't have your freezing temps You can get it at Home Depot stores. Simple green might work also.
We tried that also, the citrus kind too. Worked great on the floors but not long term outside.


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I would say, baking soda and white vinegar and/or baking soda and lemon juice, however, I am not sure if it won't freeze if the temperature gets cold enough.

Hope you find something that works.
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What about a product called Stable Boy? It is used in horse stalls to reduce the ammonia I'm sure my dogs have stepped on it with no issues. Have a look at the ingredients to see if it would be ok for your application.
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Vodka??? it has some good cleaning properties, never tried it on urine but vodka definately does clean, kill parasites and kills mould.

Also a spray bottle of Vodka kills bees/wasps (if you have an insect problem)
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I'm now having the same problem, I think I'm going to throw some hot water on the area and then vinegar and baking soda and throw some left over sand on it. I hope it freezes then maybe the douche smell will make them stay away from it and go into the yard that drains into gravel instead.


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A bucketfull of boiling water (or several depending on how big the area is) once a week with some white vinegar and baking soda in it... just enough to thaw out the patches and get it to run off.

Expect any grass in that general area to be dead come spring though.
(bonus: this also works to kill ant hills in summer.)
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