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Old 12-18-2012, 03:57 PM   #26 (permalink)
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... A fawn with a blue head... Really?... Let me guess, they probably bred it too.
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Old 12-18-2012, 04:56 PM   #27 (permalink)
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They deleted the entire thread where we attempted to talk some sense into them, shocking I know. As of yet though they haven't given the boot to anyone.

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Old 12-18-2012, 05:27 PM   #28 (permalink)
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I am not going to even think about joining... not right now at least. I am all stressed from work and the holidays, I would probably lose it lol. It just really scares me how stupid people are...
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Old 12-18-2012, 06:59 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Old 12-18-2012, 07:05 PM   #30 (permalink)
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I totally agree with you. It would be a total waste of time and energy. Not to mention the heartache and frustration as well. I can't even bring myself to look at their page. Not claiming ignorance, but rather I have a pretty good idea of what I'd find, and I just don't have the energy to take on that kind of burden right now.

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I was considering joining but I'm still on the fence. There used to be a huge Doberman community page (80k people, but I think it's gone now) and I got banned for talking about health testing, supporting ethical breeders, and correcting people on some very wrong general information. The admin of the group wanted no arguing and always complained about it so, I think, it got deleted.

So yeah... I'm not sure if I want to waste my effort all over again.
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I read the page until it became, literally, too painful. These people are so uneducated! But they are happy that way, if anyone mentions health testing, obedience training, titling, they are like "I aint' lookin' for one of those fancy type dawgs, just one fer my kids to play with and to guard my junk yard"... sigh... My personal favorite, someone looking for a 7 week old puppy, I guess they dont have minimum re-home age laws in Trailerpark USA....
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They have changed the group to closed now, so consider yourself lucky that you don't have to be subjected to their garbage anymore (closed means you can only read the posts if you're a member). I'm wondering if one of them did come on over here, and saw this thread. You know, all of us haters who think our dogs are better than theirs...we must just be jealous of their BYB red/fawn/albino/green dobermans.

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However, Kindafugly can still view it Hey Kindafugly... did they say anything about us and our "fancee bread dawgs"?
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I thought for sure I would have been deleted, but no.
Nothing was said other than "this place here is for FUN!" Cause there's nothing more fun than breeding "rottermans" (true story). And she deleted anything that was remotely educational.
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Old 12-18-2012, 09:27 PM   #39 (permalink)
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baahahaha! Just for fun and injustice to the breed. those poor dogs! anything regarding the tan doberman? the current of past owners?
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Nothing was said other than "this place here is for FUN!" Cause there's nothing more fun than breeding "rottermans" (true story). And she deleted anything that was remotely educational.
Haha, Rou's mom and I not only got deleted, but completely blocked lol. I know we didn't get through to them, and I know this sounds very immature of me, but it feels strangely satisfying to know we annoyed them and caused them the inconvenience of having to clean up the group, change the settings, delete us etc.
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baahahaha! Just for fun and injustice to the breed. those poor dogs! anything regarding the tan doberman? the current of past owners?
She insists she's fawn with rust markings and it's just bad light.
And again mentioned her fawn with a blue head.
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She insists she's fawn with rust markings and it's just bad light.
And again mentioned her fawn with a blue head.
Wow. She can't even understand basic genetics. At this point, I just feel sorry for her.
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I asked if she was a mix yesterday and someone else commented back stating that mixing breeds is how they got different color dobermans... my comment was deleted.

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Was the group deleted or was I blocked from seeing it for some reason? I only asked where the Steph girl got her dog, she replied saying she would say lady. Then she deleted the whole post...?
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Okay I will try to address them all,

Dobelove- I didn't delete the post the admin did though i'm not sure why I believe I missed some things.
Ahren comes from Brown Chief Kennels
I surprisingly agreed with the health testing thing, Ahrens parents where both tested, I also disagree with the amount of puppy milling on there. I do not mind back yard breeding so much for pet quality but I think they need to be health tested as well.

Odin's Master- I want a puppy at 7 weeks, exactly what I got Ahren at, and yes you cannot sale a puppy until 6 weeks most people opt to let them go at 8 weeks. It is a personal choice, I have always opted to get them a week early, but I am also willing to give the breeder extensive references where I have fostered countless litters of orphaned puppies for rescues and such.

Shell81- WHAT they make GREEN dobermans? Color me grinch! (kidding btw) I have always seen red/rust, black/rust, blue/rust and the undesirable white- Some of the other color combinations on there I am not sure what to think of, they are all pretty dogs, just not sure entirely what I think about them.

Keno's Mom- the black doberman pictured does not belong to anyone, the admin Kathy made a remark about their being solid black dobermans, I asked to see a picture of one as I had never heard of such- that is why those are pictured, again pretty dog but looks very lab-ish

Rouleaux- I did not put you under attack, I asked you a direct question and tagged you in it to make sure you saw it, as like you witnessed things tend to disappear on that group, I am the type of person I don't go somewhere I don't think people will see and discuss them- I make sure they are involved in the discussion. I was never taught that asking about a dogs bloodlines was an "attack" but I guess that's just my poor education speaking.

giselakim- I agree that most of that is ridiculous but what is so bad about the lady wanting a "doberman rainbow" as in she wants one of each color? If she can afford the vet care, afford the feed and has the time there is nothing wrong with having one of each, personally I'm good with the one I have and the puppy we are searching for. Not entirely sure what an alpha roll is, but I think chaining causes problems that are going to backfire one day. Ahren always gets told to go to his room when he is in trouble. being bad=no attention, good or bad.

Shell81- going to disagree with you about the biggest and baddest mind set, ahren is huge but he gets beat up by a kitten, she takes his food ect. He is a wuss and I know it, that's part of what I love about him so much is he is a big teddy bear.

RottenVonSpotten- Challenge accepted. We have a vet appointment at the end of the week. Not entirely sure how to post pictures on here so I may have to post a link.

Rouleaux- Yes ahren has hip problems, he has hip dyspepsia a common problem in dogs that large, That is also the reason he is fixed and was fixed as soon as my vet would do it. He is my baby and I love him, he comes out of an awesome line but his particular gene make-up doesn't need to be repeated, too many people would dump the pups if they developed the same problems due to the vet bills it causes.

Rouleaux- the puppy swaps started as a way to exchange litters. as in I had all boys and everyone wants girls, you had all girls and your people want boys we swap 2 boys for 2 girls. that I didn't have an issue with as long as the papers where honest swaps too and the buyer was aware of what occurred. I do not understand people swapping their adult dogs for a new puppy!

Shell81- I don't claim to be an expert, but I'm not as much of an idiot as you seem to think. he comes from the original Borong the Warlock down his line, as I explained. No I was not aware that people did not use the term warlock in general for size- and I admit that as I have no problem doing. but by your definition Ahren is still a warlock.

Rouleaux- your pup was a cute dinosaur, Ahren was batman for Halloween The kids at the church loved it.

In General to whomever- Any group has good and bad, you will find most of the people on Just Dobermans will agree with quite a bit of what you have to say, however there are those on there just to "pimp" out their "kids" I have had people approach me on using Ahrens papers for a litter, 90% of that group frowns on the dishonesty. You have bad apples in every group. If I missed a post directed at me, please let me know I believe I responded to them all. as far as the time thing, yes I'm on Facebook quite often you will notice that group is associated with my photography account on Facebook. Facebook is also linked to my iPhone where as this site requires cookies and would not allow me to join from my phone. The only time I will be on here is probably while i'm at work on my computer. I am not opposed to learning new things, I do not care to learn about the breeding aspect of dobermans for the obvious reason that I have no interest of breeding, honestly I don't understand these "oops" people who have had several "accident" litters before their dog gets fixed, our mutt (1/2 heeler & 1/2 pit) is preggers only because she went into heat at 5 months, however as soon as these get here she is getting fixed, her appointment was at 6 months, since most come in around 9 months. but to have 3 litters on accident out of the same female who is just now 3 bugs me something awful. Everyone has a different reason for being on that site, Mine personally was to re home a litter of dobie/rott mixes I was fostering for the ETHS and than I enjoyed looking at everyone's holiday pics and stuck around. You have to use your own judgement on what advice to take, if you have a major problem you should contact your vet or a trainer/behavior specialist. however for small things its not bad ie. when Ahren lost some weight due to his Tumor on his thyroid (pretty rare place for a dog to get a tumor) several people suggested ways to help him pick up his weight again some I took with a grain of salt IE. cheap dog food or puppy food... however someone on their gave me the recipe for satin balls and a calorie supplement that wasn't full of calcium or protein that you get at the feed store for $5 in comparison to nutrical at petco for $15-$20 for half the calories. Part of our problem is that we have 90 acres so he is never still the extra calories helped him get back to the right weight. so there is good and bad in everything you just cant blindly follow all the "advice" online regardless of where you find it, some things work for one fur baby but not another.
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I think you need to spend more time reading up on this site. You are not going to find ANYONE on this thread that is going to agree with you that back yard breeders are, for any reason, acceptable.

Furthermore... your dog has hip problems because it is not from a breeder who made sure to test for, and breed for, healthy hips. Google OFA. Your dog now lives his life with sore joints; I know you love your dog, so I would assume it pains you to see your boy in pain. If my boy even stubs his toe, I am nearly in tears when he cries.

The is a breed that is adored by every person on this forum, hence we are here. Most of us want what is best for our dogs, and the breed, as a whole. This means reputable breeders who health test, prove, and put time into planned breedings in order to better the breed... not just make more puppies and make a buck.

You say not everyone on that forum is that bad? I would have to disagree. I read for about 2 mins before leaving the page, because I felt sick to my stomach from what I was reading. Any person who is well educated in the breed, knowing its health problems, and the fact that there are SO MANY of these dogs in rescues and bad homes, would have a hard time staying and being a part of something like that.

I am glad you are on this forum, and I urge you to not get a 7 week old puppy. Most states' laws state 8 weeks, not 6, and many reputable breeders that I have come across, including my own, wont let the puppy go till at least 9 or 10 weeks... sometimes 12! This time in a puppy's life is crucial. They learn manners and how to be around other dogs. I too have done foster for orphan animals from kittens and puppies, to tigers and otters... and there is one thing I can tell you... the younger the animal is taken away from it's mother, the less "normal" it is lol. I am talking otters who do not know how to swim, cats who have severe OCD and anxiety, so on... please let your puppy have a chance at a more healthy life.

If you are still in the process of looking for a puppy, please consider getting it from a reputable breeder! My boy is just a pet, and he will be de-balled when the time is right. I think he is the greatest dog on earth; most beautiful, best temperment, just the best... but I he is simply a pet. Even show and working litters have "pet quality" pup... but remember, YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.

And as for the "rainbow of dobermans"... how about paying for one healthy high quality dog, instead of four byb or puppymill dogs... just a suggestion.
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I did not put you under attack, I asked you a direct question and tagged you in it to make sure you saw it, as like you witnessed things tend to disappear on that group, I am the type of person I don't go somewhere I don't think people will see and discuss them- I make sure they are involved in the discussion. I was never taught that asking about a dogs bloodlines was an "attack" but I guess that's just my poor education speaking.

And if I can recall I did apologize. But you have to admit after the orinial post was deleted for one reason or another, it was pretty sketchy. Plus I had been sharing my own thoughts on the page with absolutely no regard for the other members simply because- and I still feel- that prototuting males for stud with no proper health testing and swapping puppies like they are cookies is completely WRONG! It really had nothing to do with asking about his blood lines- except when you told me the same person who had posted pictures of an all tan doberman asked what his lineage was I was disgusted, pretty much because my boy is not being bred, and certainly not to her dogs.


Yes ahren has hip problems, he has hip dyspepsia a common problem in dogs that large, That is also the reason he is fixed and was fixed as soon as my vet would do it. He is my baby and I love him, he comes out of an awesome line but his particular gene make-up doesn't need to be repeated, too many people would dump the pups if they developed the same problems due to the vet bills it causes.

And no one said it makes him any less of a companion and dog, but unfortunately I feel that the general public and those on the page knew nothing of health testing and unfortunately know that large breed dogs suffer from hip issues, but know nothing about other diseases involving clotting or other conditions. You should not breed a dog who has the potential to transmit diseases and conditions genetically, period. The constant breeding of dogs with bad hips and selling them- I am sure at least one or two of your dog's direct siblings has been bred (whether the breeder knows or not) and continues the cycle. Everything is cycles through. Top breeders breed for breed perfection, not just for the money and paperwork and cute puppies to lure in the buyers.


the puppy swaps started as a way to exchange litters. as in I had all boys and everyone wants girls, you had all girls and your people want boys we swap 2 boys for 2 girls. that I didn't have an issue with as long as the papers where honest swaps too and the buyer was aware of what occurred. I do not understand people swapping their adult dogs for a new puppy!

I have to disagree with you. Never have I heard of such a thing. If you had twins and the woman down the street had twins, but you wanted a boy and got two girls and she got a boy and girl but wanted another girl... don't you see something wrong here? How do you know that this family doesn't have heart problems, skin issues, skeletal deformations, or for one very important point MENTALITY ISSUES. Swapping kids would be as simple as handing it over and giving the new parent the birth certificate. Puppies are not cookies to be swapped. You bred your bitch to some dog down the road because he was sharing that day, you got a certain number of pups and a certain number of genders, deal with it. I have never heard of a reputable breeder calling another reputable breeder to swap puppies. You have to agree that you would never swap or give Ahren away. Those people see dogs as possessions... they are trading cards. Its disgusting behavior. A dog is a commitment. You need to do right by them or your job as an owner and breed advocate is not being fulfilled.

your pup was a cute dinosaur, Ahren was batman for Halloween The kids at the church loved it.

Why thank you. He loves dressing up. He has too many collars and sweaters. He is a spoiled brat and I love him.
I agree that there are good ad bad apples on there but all of the apples I witnessed on that page were rotten! They can't even spell properly and they are breeding dogs? Especially dogs with health issues as vast as the Doberman? They put up ads to stud their dogs, put up ads to sell their dogs, and get mad when someone asks about health testing?

He can be clean, but that only tells me he got a bath a few days ago.

There is no education here, solely on breed. I am not talking about college or high school educations here.

I have to, however, commend you on coming over from the dark side, whether permanently or just for the thread itself. Please utilize the information on the forum to your benefit. It has been a great resource thus far for me, and I have met many wonderful DTers
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And I strongly side with Kpal4978- Puppies should be taken home 8 weeks regardless of laws. It is better for the puppy in the long run to have more experience with its brothers and sisters and the dam.

I took Rou home at 7 weeks and if I could do it over again and leave him an extra week I would simply because he does blanket suck (OCD behavior associated with being taken away too young) which can be dangerous depending on what he sucks on (I try to be as diligent as possible). Unfortunately he was an accident and needed to go. You will not or should not be bottle feeding a pup at 7 weeks old anyway. At this point it should be eating puppy food softened with warm water. At 7 weeks my boy was eating chicken carcasses, cartilage and all. On a healthy diet at the 7-8 week mark keeping weight on is easy with no supplements needed. I was blown away when I saw that people only spend $50 a month on dog food... I spend a good $120 at least between Raw Patties and an excellent grain free brand... I would never feed him cheap-o Pedigree or Beneful... but I guess that is just me ( and a majority of dobie owners on this forum )

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So why did u kick me off and block me cause I was talking about the funny colored doberman? I wasn't being negative. I was carrying on a conversation about how I thought it was mixed with something cause they don't come in that color. Why is that considered negative?? I wasn't ugly about it. I was educating.

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Dobelove- I didn't delete the post the admin did though i'm not sure why I believe I missed some things.
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I surprisingly agreed with the health testing thing, Ahrens parents where both ch for pet quality but I think they need to be health tested as well.

Odin's Master- I want a puppy at 7 weeks, exactly what I got Ahren at, and yes you cannot sale a puppy until 6 weeks most people opt to let them go at 8 weeks. It is a personal choice, I have always opted r extensive references where I have fostered countless litters of orphaned puppies for rescues and such.

Shell81- WHAT they make GREEN dobermans? Color me grinch! (kidding btw) I have always seen red/rust, black/rust, blue/rust and the undesirable white- Some of the other color combinations on there I am not sure what to think of, they are all pretty dogs, just not sure entirely what I think about them.

Keno's Mom- the black doberman pictured does not belong to anyone, the admin Kathy made a remark about their being solid black dobermans, I asked to see a picture of one as I had never heard of such- that is why those are pictured, again pretty dog but looks very lab-ish

Rouleaux- I did not put you under attack, I asked you a direct question and tagged you in it to make sure you saw it, as like you witnessed things tend to disappear on that group, I am the type of person I don't go somewhere I don't think people will see and discuss them- I make sure they are involved in the discussion. I was never taught that asking about a dogs bloodlines was an "attack" but I guess that's just my poor education speaking.

giselakim- I agree that most of that is ridiculous but what is so bad about the lady wanting a "doberman rainbow" as in she wants one of each color? If she can afford the vet care, afford the feed and has the time there is nothing wrong with having one of each, personally I'm good with the one I have and the puppy we are searching for. Not entirely sure what an alpha roll is, but I think chaining causes problems that are going to backfire one day. Ahren always gets told to go to his room when he is in trouble. being bad=no attention, good or bad.

Shell81- going to disagree with you about the biggest and baddest mind set, ahren is huge but he gets beat up by a kitten, she takes his food ect. He is a wuss and I know it, that's part of what I love about him so much is he is a big teddy bear.

RottenVonSpotten- Challenge accepted. We have a vet appointment at the end of the week. Not entirely sure how to post pictures on here so I may have to post a link.

Rouleaux- Yes ahren has hip problems, he has hip dyspepsia a common problem in dogs that large, That is also the reason he is fixed and was fixed as soon as my vet would do it. He is my baby and I love him, he comes out of an awesome line but his particular gene make-up doesn't need to be repeated, too many people would dump the pups if they developed the same problems due to the vet bills it causes.

Rouleaux- the puppy swaps started as a way to exchange litters. as in I had all boys and everyone wants girls, you had all girls and your people want boys we swap 2 boys for 2 girls. that I didn't have an issue with as long as the papers where honest swaps too and the buyer was aware of what occurred. I do not understand people swapping their adult dogs for a new puppy!

Shell81- I don't claim to be an expert, but I'm not as much of an idiot as you seem to think. he comes from the original Borong the Warlock down his line, as I explained. No I was not aware that people did not use the term warlock in general for size- and I admit that as I have no problem doing. but by your definition Ahren is still a warlock.

Rouleaux- your pup was a cute dinosaur, Ahren was batman for Halloween The kids at the church loved it.

In General to whomever- Any group has good and bad, you will find most of the people on Just Dobermans will agree with quite a bit of what you have to say, however there are those on there just to "pimp" out their "kids" I have had people approach me on using Ahrens papers for a litter, 90% of that group frowns on the dishonesty. You have bad apples in every group. If I missed a post directed at me, please let me know I believe I responded to them all. as far as the time thing, yes I'm on Facebook quite often you will notice that group is associated with my photography account on Facebook. Facebook is also linked to my iPhone where as this site requires cookies and would not allow me to join from my phone. The only time I will be on here is probably while i'm at work on my computer. I am not opposed to learning new things, I do not care to learn about the breeding aspect of dobermans for the obvious reason that I have no interest of breeding, honestly I don't understand these "oops" people who have had several "accident" litters before their dog gets fixed, our mutt (1/2 heeler & 1/2 pit) is preggers only because she went into heat at 5 months, however as soon as these get here she is getting fixed, her appointment was at 6 months, since most come in around 9 months. but to have 3 litters on accident out of the same female who is just now 3 bugs me something awful. Everyone has a different reason for being on that site, Mine personally was to re home a litter of dobie/rott mixes I was fostering for the ETHS and than I enjoyed looking at everyone's holiday pics and stuck around. You have to use your own judgement on what advice to take, if you have a major problem you should contact your vet or a trainer/behavior specialist. however for small things its not bad ie. when Ahren lost some weight due to his Tumor on his thyroid (pretty rare place for a dog to get a tumor) several people suggested ways to help him pick up his weight again some I took with a grain of salt IE. cheap dog food or puppy food... however someone on their gave me the recipe for satin balls and a calorie supplement that wasn't full of calcium or protein that you get at the feed store for $5 in comparison to nutrical at petco for $15-$20 for half the calories. Part of our problem is that we have 90 acres so he is never still the extra calories helped him get back to the right weight. so there is good and bad in everything you just cant blindly follow all the "advice" online regardless of where you find it, some things work for one fur baby but not another.
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Shell81- I don't claim to be an expert, but I'm not as much of an idiot as you seem to think.
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Good to see you decided to come here, however um I don't believe I said YOU were an idiot. Every post in this thread is not about you specifically, there are a lot of people in that group...You seem to have taken almost every post in this thread as being completely directed at you, which they were not. My one post was, but that was pretty much it, AND that was before when all I had seen from you was supporting buying puppies under 8 weeks of age (saying its ok), claiming to have a warlock, and supporting those BYB with their messed up colored mixes (all of that being awful, and untrue) So yeah based on that what are we here supposed to think!? I did not however say you were an idiot, and I apologize if you think I was calling you one.

You also completely misunderstood what I meant when I said the "biggest and baddest" mind set. I didn't mean that just because they are big they are mean. I was saying that as a vet tech I have noticed tons of clients who think their dog weighs way more then they do. They grossly exaggerate the dogs weight, and when we weigh them find them to be much less. Tons of people love to claim their dog weighs 130 or more (very few actually do, and are typically Mastiffs. Actually I have only ever seen a couple dogs that were over 130 and all were mastiffs...), and it seems like these people think they have to weigh more to be better dogs. That's what that meant.

Stick around, you can learn a ton here, and unlike the FB group, the information you will get here is good, and factual.

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