ladyballplayer

I went to Just Dobermans page and those pictures make me cringe. Looks like they are living in filth and they breed often. Its heartbreaking.

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Hi Rosemary
If I am reading the rules correctly they are allowed to run in AKC LC Trials as the ONLY disqualification listed in the Ridgeback breed standard is ridgelessness. Evidently the color is not a disqualification but def. undesirable. But thats just my interpretation of things. If it was up to me I would let them all run. Its a performance event like obedience so why not.
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Rosemary

Huh. I was under the impression that any color other than wheaten was a disqualification, also. My bad. I do know the rule was put in mainly to keep out the long-haired Whippets.

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kindafugly

GL with education on that facebook page. I think its mainly arkansas and texas but i could be wrong. People just dont care. The blue male that is for sale is the father of some puppies that were recently sold. There was a post about the health of those puppies. Buyers found they had demodex, VWD and rickets? I think the post has since then been deleted. I would just assume maybe thats why she is selling him because he is a carrier.

I could be mistaken but im sure it was her male that sired those puppies with her friends female. I see tons of people on there just breeding because they have a purebred dog on there. I think you will be removed before much education is done. Ive seen other people try and say it sickens them for dogs to be bred just because there AKC. Akc doesnt mean your dog should be bred. They either got removed or left group.

EmilyB

Flouncing aside, did you really buy the rest of those abused puppies.

Quit trying to be a hero without a conscience for what you have already done.

Rouleaux

Although I do believe this statement, the more people join and try to set them straight, the harder it will be to delete us ... well, immediately anyway

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kindafugly

Like i see one person has a 17 week old dobie and just bought 2 more puppies. Earlier on the group she was trying to give away her great dane cause it was to much for her because of behavior problems. Its almost like the dogs are disposible.the blk and rust puppy that was traded went through 3 homes and was sold at 3 weeks. She has VWD and is the puppy to the blue male being sold on there. Someone told me she said it took over 2 and a half hours for the ear crop because of bleeding.

Also to the person who was asking about the previous thread. Please message me. I dont want to start another flame thread. I can be hot headed at times and dont wish to fight.

PatchworkRobot

I guess I'll be sending a PM because I am also curious about this.

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monicaei

I asked in another thread...

Adobe4two

... To me... It looks like some nutty BYB is buying up Red German Pinschers and German Pinscher mixes under the impression they're some rare Doberman Pinscher colors.

Red coated German Pinschers

AlyssaN

Can the person who pm's her enlighten us on this thread? I'm too lazy to have a pm conversation and am quite curious as well.

monicaei

Bump. What of the excess puppies?

PatchworkRobot

Oh yeah.

Fugly has only one puppy (the girl that she had gotten originally) and all the remaining puppies in that litter have homes.

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Rouleaux

This group on FB is made up of BYBers and BYBer supporters.

A few of us joined to see what all of the fuss was about over an all tan doberman(no rust).

When we joined we noticed that the dogs they were breeding were being "pimped", dogs were looking for a home, they believe AKC paperwork to be all that is needed to justify that the dog is of good stock, and dogs/puppies are being traded. To boot, hardly anyone has the grammar above a 10 year old's level and type as they speak.

We joined to inform them of DT and we asked of the dog's health history as this doesn't seem to be a big deal while they are breeding. They got offended and the few of us that joined and questioned the page's methods were kicked and the page was closed to the viewing public.

If you wish to read up more on this topic see the thread entitled "Has anyone heard of..."

Also, PM Kindafugly. She brought it to our attention.

But, being honest we were just trying to bring the information to their attention, not outwardly bashing them. Simply asking a question and seeking an answer (the point of being on a forum)

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monicaei

Did she rehome them or was the "I went back and bought them all to rescue them" a cry for attention? What of the second puppy? I've been off line and it's too confusing to go back and try to sift through all the mess

kindafugly

What i did or did not do regarding past post while being frustrated has nothing to do with this post. If you want to ask questions please private message me. Thats what the feature is for. I do not wish to discuss past post on every single post i am to make on this forum. Thank you for your understanding.

monicaei

Not trying to be a d'bag, but this is an Internet forum where we discuss our dogs. The number of dogs I have, or don't have, in my home at the moment isn't a PM issue. For example, at the moment I have NO dogs. It's very sad. My personal dogs are boarded and my foster is with another wonderful member of our rescue. See, that's not a matter of national security or even intensely private

kindafugly

I agree with Rouleaux on the FB page. IMO reading that page, What bothered me the most was everyone buying puppies at 3 weeks. Posting how they cried constantly. Then post about the puppies having many different illnesses. I never once seen the breeder address any of this post. Then selling the father of the puppies because he is a carrier for $300. IMO its wrong. Someone else will get him use him for breeding and pass those genes to more puppies and the pups will suffer.

I got lucky with my girl this far (she is still very young yet) fingers crossed.

Rouleaux

Not to butt in, but it is getting kind of annoying that she keeps getting bothered about what she did or did not do.

Yeah, it was done, but everything is a learning experience and that is why she is here, and is STILL here after all.

We are all passionate about the breed, and everyone has to start somewhere.

JMHO

I'm just trying to keep things neutral as I see the tension being caused here.

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kindafugly

You werent asking me how many dogs i had dear.
I have two dogs, and only 1 being of the Doberman breed.

Rouleaux

^^^ Seeeeee... Exhibit A- realization!

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monicaei

Im out. This is just silly

kindafugly

There is a bunch of people in this world that keep byb in buisness. Even people on this site who dont say there dogs from a back yard breeder or post they bought from one because of the fear of being bashed. Just because im honest im being singled out. Very mature. But your entitled to your opinions.

Atleast i can sleep at night knowing im honest, I have a heart. Im trying to learn and change my habits. Also learning to control my hot head and learning to let the air out of my over sized ego. So bare with me while i make changes. Its easier to open your arms and let go of the past then be angry. Smile! i know ya wanna!

Jazi

I have admitted, more times than one, that my GSDs were not from steller breeders (considering they came off of Amish farms, in the middle of Lancaster, PA, I think "not steller" might be a compliment). Not one single person has bashed or given me heck about it. I expected a few eyebrows to raise from it but instead my posts explaining each of their issues and how painful of a lesson that was to learn were thanked.

I have admitted, more times than one, that none of the current family dogs are from good breeders (except possibly the springer), whether they're rescues or purposely bought. I have discussed their individual issues (except the labs and boston, but eh) previously as well and expressed frustration towards their owners who do not see a correlation with their breeder choice and their dog's health. I've spoken about friends and acquaintances of mine who should not be breeding their dogs but still are. Again, I have not been bashed or criticized for these posts.

As far as honesty, I also have no qualms discussing the number, ages, names, and breeds of dogs I come into contact with. I have one, a recent addition; Skoll. My parents and sisters have 4 whom I do not live with; Mocha, Titan, Baby, and Buster. My extended family has a JRT, a Springer, a Boston, a Dogo, and three labs. Except possibly for the spaniel, I know for a fact none of these dogs came from a good breeder without even having met the breeders themselves.

There are others who talk about their or their families' or their friends' BYB dogs with no bashing at all. I'm not so sure if that's the reason you're being singled out.

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Rouleaux

Then maybe the issues need to be brought up front and simply put to be able to better assist in fixing any issues between members. We are all adults here.

I'm just tired of it. It isn't fair, I have been there and have seen others be bashed for whatever reason.

Not everyone is going to agree or get along, but instead of scooting around the issues, just come out with them. Picking on someone isn't fixing anything.

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