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Old 12-15-2012, 10:13 PM   #51 (permalink)
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The original dog in question looks like a mix to me.
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Not to derail the thread... but amusingly the byb my DH bought Whiskey from sold him as a fawn
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Definitely a mix somewhere back in those lines.

URGE HER FOR MANY REASONS TO SPAY!!!!

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Wait? This is not a fawn? Because this is exactly what Gemma looked like as a puppy and she is fawn.

This puppy has a red nose = fawn = dilutes of red
Black noses = blues = dilutes of black

Or is that wrong?
That's wrong. I'm not sure which picture you are referring to but...

Fawns don't have red noses. Red Dobes have the closest thing to a red nose that occurs in Dobermans. Red Dobe noses are actually sort of mahogany brown--lots of red in the color but not exactly anything someone might describe as red. Fawns noses are brown--not red at all--medium brown.

Blues as someone else already said don't have black noses. They have dark grey noses. Dabs and splotches of pink on a Dobe nose are uncommon but do occur--and they can show up on any color of dobe (well, except for albinos--they have pink noses...period.)

Color register depends on a variety of things--the settings on the camera--ambient light while taking the photo and the color settings on the computer screen.

Believe me--I've seen pictures of red dogs I know and have known from birth show up in pictures on line looking black--I've also seen pictures of dogs I knew were actually black looking like they were red. Photos definitely don't tell the whole story.

In the day and age of film you also had the problem of developers deciding that a color they didn't think was possible was wrong and change it to try and get the whole picture to be something believable. Friends of mine built a 42 foot cruising trimaran. I don't remember the exact details but they painted it an attractive lavendar. The day they launched the boat everyone took a lot of pictures. The place that developed mine couldn't believe that a boat was that color and tried to alter it to an attractive light blue--you should see what that did to the early morning blue sky. The guy that did the developing kept saying to me "Realy? Realy? That boat is really lavendar?" (he was redeveloping them while I stood around.
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The pictures on facebook suggest:

1- It is a mix
2- It has some sort of odd Z factor type of coloration going on.

To me this isn't a fawn...

Further more, this person is BREEDING!!!

Further more, that group is full of useless people and would not trust their judgement. People posting to the wall asking to buy specifically Z factored pups...

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Instead of bashing this person, I joined this group for the giggle factor and sked her directly...

we will see

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i believe she is breeding as well. The only reason why i posted because i never seen a doberman of that color. You will see alot of poorly sickly looking dobies on there as well. There looks to be a fawn on there with a really bad coat. I joined it to learn more about dobies but its more less showing there dobies or advertising pups. I wanted to ask if she had papers but its really non of my concern
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Old 12-16-2012, 11:38 AM   #58 (permalink)
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kindafugly is an unknown quantity at this point
i clicked her profile and i do see all the dobie puppies and pit puppies and etc...
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Old 12-16-2012, 11:43 AM   #59 (permalink)
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I think the original dog in question is one of the Vizsla-colored dobes from the garrets. I don't know about this dog's owner but the person said to be the original owner of this dog is from Texas.
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i checked her profile she is in texas as well. Does anyone have pics of the garretts dogs? i havent been able to find them. I searched the forum as well maybe just overlooked it. Seen alot of threads though.
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I saw that too, but apparently the "original" owner is some 18 year old girl...

The woman in question appears to believe the dog is a Red/fawn mix... I had to comment and object to this.

I seriously hope they come to terms with this and realize she isn't a true dobie. She is a beautiful dog but she looks like a pit bull or yes a vizsla...

I understand it is none of my buisness, but I am intrigued. And of course waiting patiently for a response.

Kindafugly, I just have to say that I am happy you joined this forum for any questions you have and are learning from the mistakes being made on that group. I knew there were ignorant people out there, but WOW!!!

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I seriously hope they come to terms with this and realize she isn't a true dobie.
If I remember right, the puppies are AKC registered as dobes.
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Well ive been trying to do some research and looking at pics and when i joined that group and seen that girl its like i cant find anything about a solid colored dobie. So it threw me off. Shes pretty dont get me wrong and probably a great dog but i guess i was curious if thats even possible.
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That's wrong. I'm not sure which picture you are referring to but...

Fawns don't have red noses. Red Dobes have the closest thing to a red nose that occurs in Dobermans. Red Dobe noses are actually sort of mahogany brown--lots of red in the color but not exactly anything someone might describe as red. Fawns noses are brown--not red at all--medium brown.

Blues as someone else already said don't have black noses. They have dark grey noses. Dabs and splotches of pink on a Dobe nose are uncommon but do occur--and they can show up on any color of dobe (well, except for albinos--they have pink noses...period.)

Color register depends on a variety of things--the settings on the camera--ambient light while taking the photo and the color settings on the computer screen.

Believe me--I've seen pictures of red dogs I know and have known from birth show up in pictures on line looking black--I've also seen pictures of dogs I knew were actually black looking like they were red. Photos definitely don't tell the whole story.

In the day and age of film you also had the problem of developers deciding that a color they didn't think was possible was wrong and change it to try and get the whole picture to be something believable. Friends of mine built a 42 foot cruising trimaran. I don't remember the exact details but they painted it an attractive lavendar. The day they launched the boat everyone took a lot of pictures. The place that developed mine couldn't believe that a boat was that color and tried to alter it to an attractive light blue--you should see what that did to the early morning blue sky. The guy that did the developing kept saying to me "Realy? Realy? That boat is really lavendar?" (he was redeveloping them while I stood around.
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Yes bad color choice of words on my part I meant "shades" of red/pink (like you said mahogany describes it perfect) and "shades" of black/blue/gray. Like their nose matches their color description, or that's what I thought. Like gems nose is a reddish/pinkish/brownish "fawn" like color I would associate with fawn or a dilute of red and the blue Doberman we know has a blackish/grayish/bluish nose I would associate with blue or being a dilute of black.
The photo I meant which didn't copy thru was the first puppy photo which someone said was blue but the poster said was fawn. Gem is fawn and looked exactly like that when she was that age. So I'm completely confused. And I'm sorry for derailing the thread. But thank you for trying to help me understand because when people in the public ask me I want to be able to give them the proper answer.


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If I remember right, the puppies are AKC registered as dobes.
Oh my giddy aunt !!
WTF !!!
Not only does the colour look so wrong but their feet look deformed.


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I believe Angel dobermans in Texas was breeding that color too. We figured they got a pup from Garretts or bred to the male throwing that color or something. Temperaments have to be toss up.
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Id have to agree those garrett dogs are mixed. Unless they DNA to prove who the parents and lines are and if they did come from two dobermans id be looking back at the lines for possible mix breeding or throwbacks from creating the doberman or something
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The pictures on facebook suggest:

1- It is a mix
2- It has some sort of odd Z factor type of coloration going on.

To me this isn't a fawn...

Further more, this person is BREEDING!!!

Further more, that group is full of useless people and would not trust their judgement. People posting to the wall asking to buy specifically Z factored pups...
Bold, mine.

Rouleaux, I think you're misunderstanding the "Z factor" thing.

This is a masking gene, a type of albinism that prevent the true expression of the color the dog was meant to be. Albino dogs genetically test for one of the four accepted colors--they just appear "white" because of the albinism.

The Z factor thing is to track dogs who *may* carry the albinism gene. A Z factor dog may be any one of four accepted colors, or it may be albino.

This would have nothing to do with an all-tan appearing dog such as the one being discussed here.

It also has nothing to do with "spotted" Dobermans, who have vitiligo--this has been brought up here in the past, so just mentioning it now as Z factor gets "blamed" for a lot of things it's actually not associated with. There are other problems that can cause unusual/off coloring.

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i believe she is breeding as well. The only reason why i posted because i never seen a doberman of that color. You will see alot of poorly sickly looking dobies on there as well. There looks to be a fawn on there with a really bad coat. I joined it to learn more about dobies but its more less showing there dobies or advertising pups. I wanted to ask if she had papers but its really non of my concern
Bold, mine.

Kindafugly, you really ought to be much more choosy about your sources for "learning more about Dobermans."

A bunch of dimwits who don't know any better than to breed such craptastic examples of the breed are infinitely unlikely to teach anything of value to any n00b.
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http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=main

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I joined when i got my dobie for 100 from a byb and got bashed and took offense to members being rude so i was rude back. Blah im over that im just learning more about dobies.
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There is a red (brown) dobe near me which has almost nonvisible tan markings, which dont show up in pictures, much like some of the very dark black euro dogs have very faint markings. The dog you posted a picture o looks like a mix to me, however.
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Bold, mine.

Rouleaux, I think you're misunderstanding the "Z factor" thing.

This is a masking gene, a type of albinism that prevent the true expression of the color the dog was meant to be. Albino dogs genetically test for one of the four accepted colors--they just appear "white" because of the albinism.

The Z factor thing is to track dogs who *may* carry the albinism gene. A Z factor dog may be any one of four accepted colors, or it may be albino.

This would have nothing to do with an all-tan appearing dog such as the one being discussed here.

It also has nothing to do with "spotted" Dobermans, who have vitiligo--this has been brought up here in the past, so just mentioning it now as Z factor gets "blamed" for a lot of things it's actually not associated with. There are other problems that can cause unusual/off coloring.
Thank you for clearing that up. I was incorrect!

But I still claim mixed
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I think Kindafugly said she was here for education after seeing the odd colored dog the owner is claiming to be purebred on the FB group page.
I was referring to kindafugly saying she joined that *Facebook group* in order to "learn more about dobermans." A group of BYBs is hardly the environment for learning, would you not agree?

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You were only bashed because you lied, and you evaded, and you defended buying from BYBs.

If you're "over" that behavior, folks here will gladly guide you and help you learn.
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I was referring to kindafugly saying she joined that *Facebook group* in order to "learn more about dobermans." A group of BYBs is hardly the environment for learning, would you not agree?



You were only bashed because you lied, and you evaded, and you defended buying from BYBs.

If you're "over" that behavior, folks here will gladly guide you and help you learn.
That statement is untrue. I never once LIED, I evaded posting peoples personal information to the public but never withheld it due to legal reasons. I just stated my feelings on byb vs reputable breeding with prices is why people will continue to go where puppies are cheaper. Thats just my views. I do not support people mistreating animals for money. But im over with the past subjects. Im here because i want to learn more about the doberman (since being a first time dobie owner)


I wonder if the owner of the group has something to do with Angels Dobermans. Tried looking up the website due to someone said they had those odd colored dobies and i found Just Dobermans and Angel Dobermans has the same picture at the top of there pages of the black and blue doberman with wings. maybe just a fluke? Looks like both people are in Texas as well. Who knows.

Is it possible to have the solid tan colored dobermans be some sort of throwback from previous breedings. Like on Boston terriers. White and Fawn and Cream and Blue bostons are throw backs from either the bulldog or terrier they used to create the breed.

Does anyone know if any of the garretts puppies were DNA'd by akc since i seen someone mentioned they told AKC

Or could the tan colored dobies be a color variation of the albino. because i read somewhere albinos can have some color such as a cream or a darker cream.

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I just stated my feelings on byb vs reputable breeding with prices is why people will continue to go where puppies are cheaper. Thats just my views. I do not support people mistreating animals for money. But im over with the past subjects. Im here because i want to learn more about the doberman (since being a first time dobie owner)


Or could the tan colored dobies be a color variation of the albino. because i read somewhere albinos can have some color such as a cream or a darker cream.
And it is for that reason that the general, uneducated public will unfortunately bring the breed down and continue to either intentionally or unintentionally support BYB or become BYB themselves. It just doesn't do the breed (or any breed) justice!

and as far as the comment regarding possible albino mutation- this is what I thought before seeing a vizsla/dobie mix passed off as real doberman.

Not to be rude, because I'm not trying to be in any manor but it seems like all of the people on that page, from Texas are not the brightest. The girl who gave the doberman (x) in question to the breeder lady claimed the dog was $1,500 and she spent (at 18 years of age) about $6k on vet bills GROOMING and VITAMINS... in 1 year... please enlighten me because the bitch isn't fixed and she can't apparently "groom" the dobie (x) at home, but she has X amount of other dogs including a husky? and shar peis...
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