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Old 12-15-2012, 01:46 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Sometimes genes don't act as we would expect and some weird things pop up. I have a friend who breeds and shows Rhodesian Ridgebacks and in her last litter sired by one of the top ridges around, she had a perfectly marked black and tan and a red and tan. Absolutely gorgeous ridgebacks! They are being run in the field and trained to be shown in obedience, they can't however be shown in breed but can be registered.
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Monicaei,

Either the color register on the picture of this puppy is WAY, WAY off or that is not a fawn but a blue.

There are pictures scattered around on various threads about fawns of my fawn dog, Ch Foxfire's Gold Toed Monster BN CD RE OA AXJ CGC ROM--call name Toad. If you can't get any of the threads that have pictures of him to come up try DobeQuest--there is a picture of him there too.
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Sometimes genes don't act as we would expect and some weird things pop up. I have a friend who breeds and shows Rhodesian Ridgebacks and in her last litter sired by one of the top ridges around, she had a perfectly marked black and tan and a red and tan. Absolutely gorgeous ridgebacks! They are being run in the field and trained to be shown in obedience, they can't however be shown in breed but can be registered.
Maybe they run in another organization's field trials, but in AKC, if they have a breed disqualification, they can't run in AKC coursing events, other than CATs.
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Either the color register on the picture of this puppy is WAY, WAY off or that is not a fawn but a blue.

There are pictures scattered around on various threads about fawns of my fawn dog, Ch Foxfire's Gold Toed Monster BN CD RE OA AXJ CGC ROM--call name Toad. If you can't get any of the threads that have pictures of him to come up try DobeQuest--there is a picture of him there too.


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I agree she might be mixed somewhere back in the lines. I see people all the time advertising AKC purebred dogs that are clearly mixed. Like someone posted not to long back about purebred akc labs but they were black and tan and black and white. Clearly not purebred.. lol
Um, yeah, they could be purbred. Labs do get mismarks, including b/t and white markings. http://www.woodhavenlabs.com/mismarks.html
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Ok i seen on facebook someone has a full TAN colored doberman. Tan as in the rust points. Like the dog doesnt even have rust points because the dog is completely that color and is called a fawn. Almost like a red mini pin. The dog looks like a doberman. They said its a fawn. But the fawns ive seen are like a silverish almost color. I cant recall if they said she was papered or not. Is it possible for a dobie to be that color?
There is a range of colors in fawn just as there is in red and in blue. The light colored fawns occasionally look silvery on the head but the body coat tends to be a very different color--distinctly a light tan. The dark fawns are pretty close to a light brown or a dark beige. Both ends of the proper fawn spectrum probably look more like a Weimaraner coat color than any other purebred dog color.

I've got to agree with the folks who thought it looked like some of the puppies that Garrett was advertising several years back. Pictures were posted here and the AKC did get involved and Garrett stopped advertising those single colored red puppies on whatever site they were using at the time. They also were breeding Viszla's at the time as well as Dobermans and I heard (but can't verify) that the AKC refused registration of those puppies. At least Garrett's stopped advertising them at the time as rare all red Dobes. They were Viszla colored--no markings at all.

The color you are describing (I'm still trying to load larger versions of the pictures you've posted) is pretty much a Viszla color and no Doberman should be called fawn (and probably shouldn't be called a Doberman either) if that color and has no markings.
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YIKES! No, not better at all. Again, unless there is something radically wrong with the color register both of those Dobes are blue--definitely NOT fawn.

If the color is accurate and they are registered as fawn you should get the color corrected--they aren't fawn.
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YIKES! No, not better at all. Again, unless there is something radically wrong with the color register both of those Dobes are blue--definitely NOT fawn.

If the color is accurate and they are registered as fawn you should get the color corrected--they aren't fawn.
Ok one more try...



I'm not a photographer, but I can assure you both of them are fawns... And yes, Leo is over weight in this picture, he's lost weight since it was taken. This was from his CGC test. Neither of them are registered, to my knowledge, as they are both rescues. Leo was found as a stray and Mac was dumped in a ditch.

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I have to agree with Dobebug both look like blues.. Here are better picture to compare the two colours together

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Both Mac and Leo are fawn... I will vouch for her lack of being able to take a picture :p
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Both Mac and Leo are fawn... I will vouch for her lack of being able to take a picture :p
Thanks. I was about to give up, roll my eyes, and start calling them blawns.
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Thanks. I was about to give up, roll my eyes, and start calling them blawns.
I was trying to look for the photo's that where taken at the GCDR reunion thingy but couldn't find them (also didn't want to post them without your permission, but couldn't find them either lol)
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I was trying to look for the photo's that where taken at the GCDR reunion thingy but couldn't find them (also didn't want to post them without your permission, but couldn't find them either lol)
I don't know if G put them on the site or not. I have a bunch but didn't feel like going through my library and uploading.
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Thanks. I was about to give up, roll my eyes, and start calling them blawns.
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It definitely has me puzzled cause i searched the net and couldnt find that color. On fb it doesnt say rather shes papers or not
I don't know...I've lookied at all three pictures and they are all so bad that I can't tell enough about the color (or even if there are markings) to decide. The two outside shots are taken either midday or afternoon and to really be able to tell much you would want to take pictures early in the morning, preferably with a light overcast and get shots from full side, front and rear--and a lot closer to the dog than these are. One of the outside shots has so much light that the color is very faded and the other one looks more like a dog that got bathed with one of those color inhancing shampoos like Red on Red. The inside shot doesn't have enough light.

Any idea how big this dog is or what he might weigh?

One of the calendar pictures for the DT 2013 pictures is of a fawn Dobe who is very dark and the lighting in that picture is off enough that it's hard to see markings on that dog.
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I'm not a photographer, but I can assure you both of them are fawns... And yes, Leo is over weight in this picture, he's lost weight since it was taken. This was from his CGC test. Neither of them are registered, to my knowledge, as they are both rescues. Leo was found as a stray and Mac was dumped in a ditch.
All right! MUCH better. I'll agree that Leo is fawn and in fact is a good example of a very dark fawn. Where my fawn dogs coat is still entirely intact that's the color he is. Where he has thinning from CDA it looks lighter.
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All right! MUCH better. I'll agree that Leo is fawn and in fact is a good example of a very dark fawn. Where my fawn dogs coat is still entirely intact that's the color he is. Where he has thinning from CDA it looks lighter.
Thank you. . Leo has what I consider a very nice coat for a 6ish year old fawn. It's brittle but we have full coverage.
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Monicaei,

Either the color register on the picture of this puppy is WAY, WAY off or that is not a fawn but a blue.

There are pictures scattered around on various threads about fawns of my fawn dog, Ch Foxfire's Gold Toed Monster BN CD RE OA AXJ CGC ROM--call name Toad. If you can't get any of the threads that have pictures of him to come up try DobeQuest--there is a picture of him there too.
Wait? This is not a fawn? Because this is exactly what Gemma looked like as a puppy and she is fawn.

This puppy has a red nose = fawn = dilutes of red
Black noses = blues = dilutes of black

Or is that wrong?
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As you can see Sofia is more tan than grey.. ( BTW LOVE the "BLAWNS") and she has very little to none of the lighter bowtie or eyebrow markings.
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Wait? This is not a fawn? Because this is exactly what Gemma looked like as a puppy and she is fawn.

This puppy has a red nose = fawn = dilutes of red
Black noses = blues = dilutes of black

Or is that wrong?
Until a few minutes ago I thought you could always tell by the nose, but a simple google search showed many dogs that were obviously blues with noses that had anywhere from a little to a lot of fleshy "pink" to them. Many of the blues did have nice dark blue noses, but far from all of them.
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Until a few minutes ago I thought you could always tell by the nose, but a simple google search showed many dogs that were obviously blues with noses that had anywhere from a little to a lot of fleshy "pink" to them. Many of the blues did have nice dark blue noses, but far from all of them.
I think the debacle above regarding the color of my dogs is a good illustration that a photo does not = "obviously X color".

Also, most blues I have ever seen are much darker than the "washed out" look my terrible pictures conveyed. Mac was a delightful shade of "silver" as a puppy, and grew into a lovely fawn coat which is actually darker than Leo's.

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and another picture... She from what it says on facebook traded dobies to get this girl
Let me guess.

This bitch is intact.

And the person traded to get her.

Gee, one wonder$ where thi$ is leading. More "rare" BYB puppie$, huh?
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