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Old 12-14-2012, 07:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Possession Aggression

Here is a topic you just don't see a lot on this forum!!

I'm sure there is a thread on what to look for if you are around or have a dog with this type of aggression linked to something/someone.

Just figured I would refresh myself as I don't have any personal experience at home with any of my 3 dogs. I know what to look for, but as far as others experiences, it would be nice to hear.

What are certain signs to watch for?

Signs of an escalating problem?

Any tips for beating the issue?

Is it age/ status (spay/neuter related)?

all questions breed specific to Dobies!

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Download or buy or borrow the book "Mine!"

It's invaluable if you have a resource guarder.

Do a search on "resource guarding", it's a very annoying but totally solvable issue
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Good topic! I am interested to see the replies, I've never had a dog with any type of possession aggression either. I also know what to look for, but would love to read others replies.

Bruce lets me take things from him, his own things and things he shouldn't have. He could care less, I'm trying to show him that it's not a bad thing when I take things from him. That said he did manage to score a piece of bagel with butter that my daughter dropped a couple days ago, and when I went to take it away I got a little growl from him (could have been a play growl he IS very mouthy, but I didn't want to ignore it). I took it, showed him what I expected from him and that was that.

Hearing other people's suggestions on dealing with the very first signs of it would be great!
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Good topic! I am interested to see the replies, I've never had a dog with any type of possession aggression either. I also know what to look for, but would love to read others replies.

Bruce lets me take things from him, his own things and things he shouldn't have. He could care less, I'm trying to show him that it's not a bad thing when I take things from him. That said he did manage to score a piece of bagel with butter that my daughter dropped a couple days ago, and when I went to take it away I got a little growl from him (could have been a play growl he IS very mouthy, but I didn't want to ignore it). I took it, showed him what I expected from him and that was that.

Hearing other people's suggestions on dealing with the very first signs of it would be great!
Same here! I have never had this experience, and although I know what to look for I would love to hear others experiences and share with the rest of the class. Rou plays "keep away" with toys, but enjoys playing tug with other dogs. I have experienced resource guarding while dog sitting and at the dog park, but not with dobies specifically.

However if it was to occur (which thankfully it has not), I'm sure there are at least a few people who would like to know what to look for and how to address the situation quickly/ effectively.

I haven't seen this posted since I joined DT.

Hopefully we can all get "schooled"!

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Same here! I have never had this experience, and although I know what to look for I would love to hear others experiences and share with the rest of the class. Rou plays "keep away" with toys, but enjoys playing tug with other dogs. I have experienced resource guarding while dog sitting and at the dog park, but not with dobies specifically.

I haven't seen this posted since I joined DT.

Hopefully we can all get "schooled"!
I've experienced it as a tech but that's very minimal. Also, my border collie mix used to resource guard her toys from the lab, but it was so minor that I never worried about it.

Bruce will take his toys when playing, and run to his crate with them (and things he steals lol) but he is always happy and playful to have me interfere.
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I am a tech too, and as in your experience, mine is minimal.
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I am a tech too, and as in your experience, mine is minimal.
Nice! I am currently "retired" (only 31 that's why I say it with the quotations lol). Both of my kids have autism, so I chose a couple years ago to stay home with them for now. I love being home with my kids, but I do miss my job, and will go back one day. For now I try to stay sharp by having my tech friends send me articles, and publications and getting my friends to "quiz" me with their pets symptoms lol.

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I'm on our 3rd dobe now (from puppyhood), and have never had one ever show possession over toys and bones (any family member can hold & take them freely) / or aggression towards me.
They know better and their would be a quick standoff...with Dad.
Early training of bite inhibition seems to pay off, so unwanted aggression doesn't even enter their mind set.
Plus lots of early tug-of-war, ball fetch, etc. builds the necessary bond, focus and confidence, encouraging normal play growls and learning.

more reading:
Dealing with Your Dog's Possession Aggression http://voices.yahoo.com/dealing-dogs...n-4044189.html
Overview of Possession Aggression http://dogs.about.com/od/dogbehavior...on-in-Dogs.htm

the million dollar question:
Is Possession Aggression genetic ??
Or does it stem from inadequate training foundation / lack of rules, boundaries, expectations, in the early days or weeks ??

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bite inhibition:
I teach my young puppy to bite me first...if biting my hand has little or no consequence, they effectively slow down on hard biting.
And show them that their biting has absolutely zero effect on hurting me, I am their super human in strength.
As a husband I do this with the new pup, so my wife does not have to go through the pain of getting bit hard.

With a pup, I slide 2 fingers behind the dogs back teeth molars, between their softer gum area, and let the dog have an initial hay-day clamping down on me as hard as possible for them.
I am just sitting there, calm & cool as a "cucumber"...just talking in a nice soft normal voice.
- the dog quickly things, WTF...this person has strength and leadership that I need to respect (he just proved it), moving forward...much like the qualities my dober mom had
- since I can't hurt this owners human hand, its not much fun any longer...pup thinks, just reminding me of my weakness
Early soft bite training and muzzle playing, at the youngest age works fast and when the dobe matures with a bite strength of 2000/sq. inch. - they never show it off with loved ones or ever realize the strength they grow into / instead remember the early biting, they could never conquer...and never will.

I also bate the dobe with the tip of my index finger (in fun), to get snapped at (over & over), and laugh my head off, when their mouth is snapping shut on thin air...again, pup just learned, this owner is fun and impossible to ever overtake.

I call my bite work "fight night" and often will do some while settling in the master bed together, for a few minutes.
Even my son's little YorkiePoo will soft bite my hand, when I wake up...I taught him these games to.
I also play lots of tug, and the dogs always wins...while they figure out, Dad let them win eventually (building drive, much eye focus in fun).
- so I do a multiple of play game, to teach acceptable & fun controlled mouthing / that is why I don't avoid, ignore &/or redirect
- I change the behavior in the real bite (when first displayed), and results are speedy and most effective, for the life of the dog
(obviously, easier to do the above, from day1 with a puppy...instead of after it gets big & strong)
With practice - Dogs can learn "you don't bite the hand that feeds them !!
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It is always good to teach Drop It and Leave It when they are puppies then their should not be a guarding problem.
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We dont' have any guarding issues with our Dobe, we can take anything from her, no fears there. I do have a chihuahua that resource guards but she came from a very bad situation and never really had things of her own so what we do is when she has a bully that she is really enjoying (treats and sticks seem to trigger it) we pet her and talk softly and you can tell she is kind of confused on how she is reacting. Its almost as if she automatically growls as a reflex but at the same time her little tail starts wagging and little by little by showing her we are not going to actually "take" or "keep" anything, she is starting to come out of her shell and not be so skittish when we are interacting her when she has a treat. As mentioned it's mainly with bully sticks and treats but given her history I really don't blame her for her reactions. She has had a really rough past. I'm going to check out that book Mine, it might be helpful in her situation, thanks for recommending.
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