LondonDobe

Hi Guys,

I am hoping to be the proud owner of a new doberman pup in a months the bitch had 9 pups and one will be mine

The breeder lives in France so we will be traveling over there to pick him out soon. I just wanted to ask around as he will be docked and cropped, now i know it is frowned upon in the UK so i don't know how helpful vets will be with answers so i wanted to ask am i going to have a problem with him because he is cropped.

The breeder has assured me that it will be fine because he is from France which i know in regards to his tail being docked it is legal but i am still unsure in regards to him being cropped?

It is difficult to find out answers online in regards to this as i know it is fine if the dog is imported and brought back with a passport 16 weeks after birth with jabs and paperwork but i just want to know what EXACTLY i will need as i dont want any problems once his in London.

Thanks for your help

Toby'shuman

qWith the general public you may get some folks giving you grief, with the RSPCA you may get a visit, so make sure you have his papers to show his place of birth. Same goes if the police ask. (usually they only come round if someone has reported you, but they can take it upon themselves if they see you out and about to ask where you got the dog from). Your vet may hold an opinion regards cropping and docking, in extreme cases he may refuse to have you as a client, otherwise just expect some sort of negative reaction from one or more directions as well as the occasional positive.
Can I ask did you go with a French dog because they can be cropped etc, or for some other reason?

Anton-Caesar

Theres is always some busy mug sticking their nose in other peoples business so you are bound to get a few comments, personally if anyone who makes uninformed comments on cropping did any research they would realise what a pillock they look

My advice is get what you want, theres hundreds of vets and if a vet is so "moral" that they wont treat your dog because of its appearance then that is not the vets you want any pet at anyway!

Where abouts in town are you? im only in Watford you might be close!

Jenn

Don't quote me on this but I think you will have trouble bringing the dog back to England as it is illegal to have them cropped or docked.

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Anton-Caesar

its not illegal to OWN a cropped or docked dog in the UK, its illegal to perform the crop or dock, you actually can still dock a dog if you can prove it s a working dog

From Council of docked breeds

"All UK legislation has now been passed and enacted as follows;

The docking of dogs' tails was banned in England from 6 April 2007 and in Wales from 28 March 2007 but with exemptions from the ban for certain working dogs, and for medical treatment"

"The exemption for working dogs allows a dog that is likely to perform certain specified types of work to have its tail docked by a veterinary surgeon. The dog will have to be less than 5 days old and the veterinary surgeon will have to certify that he or she has seen specified evidence that the dog is likely to work in specified areas"

There did used to be a page on kennel club about docking but it seems to be gone!

Amelia_

It is illegal to dock and crop in England, but it is not illegal to import a D/C dog from a country where it is legal. You will not be able to compete in any Kennel Club registered events, but apart from that you can do pretty much the same as everyone else.

Anton-Caesar not everyone with an alternative opinion to you on D/C is an uninformed pillock, thank you very much

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JobeyV

I think you'll find it's illegal for the procedures to be carried out in this country but it's not illegal to own a cropped/docked dog. My last two rescue boys have both been docked, Homer was imported from Ireland & Trooper from Cyprus. I have never had any problems with either of them regarding their docked tails.


OP, we're in Essex, whereabouts are you from? I know nothing about importing a puppy into the UK. Best of luck to you & I look forward to seeing some pics when you get your pup.

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Jenn

Ahh right, I new it was illegal to preform but I thought I read somewhere about it being illegal to get it in the country but must of read wrong my apologises OP!

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Anton-Caesar

nothing to do with my opinion, if you havent done any research and then you start making comments you are uninformed because you cant present any evidence to back your argument or comments and you are just assuming what you believe to be correct is correct, and if your nose is in someone else who is walking down the roads business then i feel that person is a pillock as they have no right to make judgement on you or your dog.

If someone doesnt agree with cropping then they dont agree with it, i dont mind its personal and up to the owner of the dog, what is done is done, they should keep their comments to themselves, bet none of those folks making comments at owners about their dogs care about how the person who owns the dog feels its a personal attack on them aswell as the dog!

Im not calling you a pillock but if you came down my road and started making comments about my dogs appearance (if it was cropped) i would instantly presume you to be a pillock unless you presented facts about the cruelty of cropping and made me look a pillock for buying a dog like it

Anton-Caesar

just to make a point, cropping is a professional operation which should be performed by a skilled vet and with great care, if i was too get it done i would go to extra lengths to ensure it was being done properly.

I think part of the reason it is illegal is because of the amount of dodgy ops performed by unskilled people, that i do totally disagree with, yes it can get infected but as with any operation on human or dog if correct care is given and correct steps taken you can minimise the risk of any infection and in the circumstance where infection does occur it can be treated

4Dobes

Ear cropping was banned in England in 1899. So I would expect the majority of the public to not know why the said dogs ear are like they are.
I'm sure if a "pillock" came over and asked and was told how cropping was done, then without hard facts but knowing the feeling towards said thing in this country I would put a lot of money on many "Pillocks" having an opinion, homework or not.


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Anton-Caesar

he wouldnt be a pillock of he asked! the point is people DONT ask they just talk!

Too be fair i didnt know it was that long ago it was banned over here but that still doesnt give people the right to walk up to someone and start passing comment on their dog does it?

if you go up to someone you dont know in the street and start slagging them off for how their dog looks you are a pillock, its not your business, stay out of it. If they ask for your opinion then by all means slag away. If you want to know about it and you ask them then you disagree thats a debate between two people not a judgement on one person. Walking over to someone in the park or stopping them while they are walking just to judge them is not something i agree with if someone does it they are defined by the word pillock (stupid or annoying person)

Thats all from me

LondonDobe

Wow thanks for all your input guys much appreciated.

Well we just originally wanted a Docked dobe and found a breeder who used to live in the UK who was registered on the kennel club site. She has a mountain of champ dogs and is a fantastic breeder from what I have seen. She has been breeding for over 20 years and when I enquirered she asked if I would like him cropped?

Now I have seen cropped dobes for sale in the uk but without seeing the mother/father I was never interested in it, I had the opportunity to see the mum and the dad is a former pup from one of the litters she produced ( she had a lot of dobes on her farm! ) I only agreed to it because I know the dog is coming from a good litter and breeder. I have spoken to my Vet and they said as long as he has a pet passport it will be fine so fingers crossed! I will be sure to upload some picks when his here!

I'm from near Greenwich and there isn't a lot of Dobes round here, you would be surprised how many people didn't know they had to have an op to look like that!

Anton-Caesar

ive got family down greenwich! I have had a few people ask about ears! some people dont even know what a natural dobie looks like!

if you are confident in the breeder and know its what you want then get the pup you have clearly done your research and its good to hear you want to go and see parents rather than get preimported

good luck

RedFawnRising

Right.

It never ceases to amaze me what folks are willing to put a puppy thru, for a certain cosmetic look, as well.

A long transport, flight, and presumably some sort of quarantine, all at the critical socialization window and first fear period in that young bit's life.

Shame, really.

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Anton-Caesar

France to England is about 1 hour, also you can take your dog on Eurostar as long as it remains in the car, so get a boot (trunk) gate and put the pup in there, its the equivalent to being in a cage for an hour... Eurostar is pretty seamless

also you can take a dog on dover-calais on p&o apparently as long as its in a cardboard transport box (baring in mind its a puppy so its not very large) so thats another 1 hour journey this time on a boat which may be a bit more stressful but you can stay with the dog the whole time!

With a pet passport quarantine is quite short i believe, dog must have had rabies shots and is allowed to travel to and from ANY EU country

JUST READ THAT PET PASSPORT = NO QUARANTINE!

So really France to UK is quite minor

Its not like a 5 hour flight then months in quarantine, France is probably the easiest and fastest country to import from

LondonDobe

Nope no quarantine and no flight just a 4 hour journey In the car as we are taking the Eurotunel from Folkstone. I would of brought him from the same breeder regardless as I already pointed out. There are tons of Dobes all for sale in the North of England which would of taken twice as long as traveling to France.

Anton-Caesar

In FACT im well off with Eurostar! You cant take a dog on it!

BUT you CAN drive YOUR car with your dog in through the Eurotunnel......... solved! and if you are on the PETS scheme (pet passport) you do not need any quarantine! I can get from North London to Paris and back in 1 day no problem its not really that far at all!

Anton-Caesar

you must have posted as i was typing!

iceman

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LondonDobe

Just thinking that!

LondonDobe

Are you from North or South Cyprus, My parents are from the North

4Dobes

So if you go by this then it is illegal to crop ears in France.
According to research it was banned in January 2020 ?? !!

Interesting !!




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iceman

North.

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4Dobes

Sorry that should be 2010 duh !!!


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