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Old 12-05-2012, 08:23 PM   #1 (permalink)
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breeder dumping dogs?

I hope this is how a very very nice person said to do this Darkevs I hope this is how......
Ok I am not a owner of a Doberman always loved them and will get one someday but I have a toddler and could not give all my attention to teach a puppy and or adult with her special needs. I grew up showing Siberians. I have also have showen other breeds as well. Had kids (one with horrible allergies) so I took a few years off to raise them. To my point growing up in a very active show home I have a love and
Respect for dogs (love my cats too) well I keep up on things in the dog world still. About a month ago in the rescue in Appleton Wisconsin their was or could still be a bitch named Odessa. I emailed a local dobe person and she had the same thought as me TV. Well I thought ok she was turned in by an owner then today another one showed up a dog. So is it just a fluke or is this person dumping her not sold dogs to breed more? I think if she is dumping them off this is so so wrong. Please if someone could look into this or something I just feel people need to know and this was one way I thought I could help. They have both been at not forgotten bully rescue. Hope that I could help in some small way. Thank you everyone for all your help. Please feel free to email me with any questions
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Are you reffering to colt as the new one besides Odessa that you think is from TV? If so and this is him (Petfinder Adoptable Dog | Doberman Pinscher | Fox Valley, WI | Colt) then he is 100% from her IMO...I very distinctly remember him being on her website...if she turned him in isn't something I can comment on though
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Unfortunately yes saw them too. I don't want to start something bad but I did not know what to do. Just feel bad that they had been dumped. For what
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It's hard to do much without proof and even then I'm not sure there is anything that can be done...

P.S. I "was" the manager of the fb account aka the person you contacted from DD in the southeast you contacted wondering if Odessa was from down here. So sad to see her joined by another relative.
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I get you stay out of it. And its not only in dobes I have now a husky person who has also done this. Its just moraly wrong to me personally. My mom still has old show dogs who are 15 and they don't show anymore but they are a part of the family and will stay forever. I just thought people out their need to know.
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Definately not wrong to bring it to peoples attention, it's honestly about all that can be done in this situation.

I too know good show people (most of them collie) they keep most dogs till they pass and some are re homed all depending on where it seems the dog would do better, if they can't re home then they stay,

their dogs = their responsibility
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Ah I did facebook DD about this one to. I said I would keep in contact about stuff like this and I try to keep my word. I know you need proof and what can be done its not
illegal as far as I know, but hopefully one person can help by getting the word out.
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Yes thankfully she wasn't from here and that puppy is safely in California
(i've since left that job so my boss/breeder will be taking over her own fb communications)

I'll definitely keep it in mind when talking to others and as far as legalities go, I don't tend to recommend her as is.
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I just look at this in the way I was raised. I had a rescue mix for 18 years he went everyplace with me he had his pillow and blanket next to mine in my bed. I loved him and would give a millon dollars to have another day with him. So I feel everyone should treat their animals like that. But all I can hope is that a nice family comes along and then they can have one on one family time not in a kennel as a cash cow. But that's my personal view.
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Byb in my eyes
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Is this breeder in California? Some of the posts lost me, so I figured I would ask.
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No she is in the mid/east of wisconsin
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Oh okay. That is really sad and irresponsible...
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It is sad but hopefully they can find a nice home with a good family that can spoil and give them a lifestyle that they deserve.
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Yup, that is exactly what a lot of us do.....
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I assume TV=Thunder Valley?

Awesome.

We do indeed see patterns of breeder dumps, at the shelter where I volunteer. Not just dogs, either, other species.

And then there is the fact that most of those types screen so poorly and follow up so poorly (or not at all) that the animals usually end up tossed post to pillar, and finally land at kill shelters.
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I went to the bully rescue last night and I have colt. He is now in a great home and being taken care of. He was not in the best of health, he was skinny and seems to have some skin break down and kennel sores I had a male and female dobie kaydan and vixen, and had to put k-dog down on christmas eve due to congestive heart failure it was horrible and i cried and cried... and i miss him so. Vixen was sad without him too, a lot of pacing and crying so we decided to look for another boy for her. I talked the husband into a rescue dog and we went and saw him last night and brought him home as he got along well with our female. you can tell he is exausted emotionally and has been through a lot. evidentally they had rehomed him once or twice and the people brought him back saying he jumps on people and barks.... ummm hello??? that is what dogs DO... they need time attention love and training! he has been a sweetheart since we got him and been great with all family members and wants to learn and please. he seems very smart and caught on to not going on the couch quickly just by us telling him OFF and showing him his pillow. he will be a great dog once we put some weight on him and get his coat and skin healthy... we are lucky to have him and will love and love and love him! he has a forever home and boy did he luck out, coming out of being locked in a crate all the time with sores and being skinny and most likely neglected etc... he now will have lots of love , treats, soft pillows instead of a crate, and 7 acres of land to romp and play on with his girlfriend vixen heres a pic of him in his new home as you can see from thebackground its a nice house that is clean and a good environment for him...
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Poor boy looks thin. Thanks for rescuing him.

Keep us updated as to how he's settling in! He must be so happy to be out of a crate and have girlie friend to play with.
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Wow - I'm so excited for Colt. Thanks a MILLION for coming on and posting about him. Please make a thread for him and add photos from time to time. It is a heartwarming story and helps counteract some of the great sadness reading about other poor Dobermans in horrible conditions. YAY for Colt and for your family!!
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Ummm can I come live with Colt? Lucky guy.....but not as lucky as y'all will be!


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I hope he has a fabulous life, from here on out, for the rest of his days.
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Thanks everyone its so nice to see there are people out there that love these dogs as much as I do! He is definetly my new baby! I did take him to the vet this morning as he was pretty quiet yesterday and didnt eat much,and seemed warm to me and i wanted to just get him checked out to be sure hes ok due to the situation he came from. The vet said he most likely has a GI infection as he had a fever and the skin issues ( some sores around neck area and crate sores on his rear end and flanks, are due to being kept in an unhealthy environment, crated all the time and under stress etc... he seems to have a bit of the kennel cough also. so he put him on antibiotics to treat it all and said that once it all clears up and we put a little weight on him he should be feeling happier and healthier He is definetly traumatized from all the change, hes a sensitive boy. but we are just continuing to try to be reassuring to him and give him lots of positive attention etc. my female dobie was happy to see him when i brought him back from the vet and they romped outside for a few minutes together. but he seems to tire out easily as he is underweight and weak I am sure this will change with time too as he gets healthier and feels safer and more stable and secure. I will keep up and post pics and to the person that guessed he was from thunder valley, he was. i was given a vet paper with the owners name blacked out , im sure she did not want her name associated with the fact that one of her dogs wound up at a rescue, but i was still able to hold the paper up to the light and read the name. sad thing is, i was told she was contemplating putting him to sleep and the rescue offered to take him so she conceeded to letting the rescue try to find him a home instead of putting him to sleep? I dont know how true this is as it was said to me second hand but if it is true I am pretty horrified that someone would kill a dog to make room for more or because they couldnt sell it for 2 grand. good god, you could put an ad out , free dobie to a good home and do a background on the people and go to visit thier house to be sure its a really good home etc and im sure SOMEONE would have taken what was a dog from this line of fancy dogs... WTH? and through internet research as the vet paper had his birthdate on it, I have determined that I am fairly sure that his parents are Imron and Black pearl. Its my understanding that she also refused to let his papers go with him. Im sure also for reasoning of not wanting anyone to know where he came from? the rescue woman , said that if we wanted the papers we would have to pay the breeder for them.... (sounded like she would want the full dog purchase price) *SNORT* really? you cant sell a dog you discarded already... sounds unethical to me! his papers should have came with him, if he was older and not a pup and you couldnt find a home why wouldnt you give the papers to the shelter and say here, heres this great dog, comes with papers etc. im sure you can find him a good home. Im not trying to bash anyone, I dont know this woman or her business, all i know is i have a dog here that clearly was not well taken care of and was discarded and deserved better. kudos to the woman from the rescue for trying to help these dogs. i was conflicted about that place because she clearly was trying however she has taken on a lot and the conditions there were not the best either. they werent awful. but they werent good either. i pretty much wanted to take all the dogs home with me, and when i went in and took a look around I then looked at my husband like "i hope you know there is no way im leaving this dog here no matter what" thank goodness he loves me! LOL he knew it from the look on my face and pulled out the adoption fee....
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