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Old 12-05-2012, 12:30 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Dobermans are the smartest breed

do you guys think dobermans are the smartest of all the breeds?
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Supposedly they are the fifth smartest dog breed.


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do you guys think dobermans are the smartest of all the breeds?
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Definitely

My 2 youngest Dobies, Crystal and Willow, would steal food off the counter at any opportunity they got.
So I soon taught them that their paws had to stay on the floor and no to stealing food.

My mother inlaw came round one day in summer, the kitchen door was open to the garden and we sat in the living room drinking coffee.
Willow and crystal kept getting up and disappearing only to come back a few minutes later, lay down then look at each other before trundling back into the kitchen.
At first I thought they were just going out side and then coming back to check we were still there, but after about the fifth time I though what are they up to.
When they did this again and came back liking their lips I was definitely suspicious.
I remarked to Wilma that the girls were up to something and as I hadn't left any food out why were they licking their lips .

She jumped up and shrieked " my cake"

Apparently she had made us a cake and had left it on the kitchen table as it was still warm.

We ran to the kitchen to discover what my two clever little babies had been up to.

They had been sneaking off into the kitchen each time and taking a very small nibble each and then coming back as if nothing had happened. As it must have tasted so good they couldn't resist the temptation of going back for a little nibble more lol.
Hence the looks they kept giving each other before getting up and leaving the room " shall we, go on, you first, if we just take a nibble they will never know !!

Bless them they could have easily just eaten the full cake.

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Yes my first dobe was so well trained he was a male who knew his talents and used them.

My female is smart and she knows how to work a crowd or a person.
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Nah I don't think so.


Intelligence is hard to rate anyway, do we rate biddability? How quick they learn something new? Problem solving?
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Intelligence is hard to rate anyway, do we rate biddability? How quick they learn something new? Problem solving?
This.

I think they're intelligent, yes. But there's so many aspects to intelligence in dogs. Not to mention that there are so many differences within individual dogs in a breed...
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Came back to read this and can't help but correct my grammar after the fact.

...But there ARE so many aspects to intelligence...

Grammar is one of them. In humans, at least.
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For many people, there is no difference between smart and intelligent, because the words seem to be interchangeable. However, there is a difference between the meanings and use of these words.

Smart can be applied to learned inferences, such as making smart business or emotional decisions. Smart is an earned status. When we study and learn, we become smarter in the subject matter. Book smart or street smart, we have to put effort into becoming smarter.

Intelligence, on the other hand, is something with which you are born. Your IQ is a measurement of your intelligence, and doesn’t change because it is a measure of your ability to learn. This can apply to terms we chronically associate with intelligence, like math, or it can apply to your ability to learn negotiation of emotional issues. In either case, it is inherent, and it simply stems from your genetic makeup.

Smart can also be applied to sarcasm. We have ‘smart alec’ answers, or we can be ‘smart’ when answering a question or talking in a conversation. We don’t apply intelligent to the idea of being sarcastic.

Intelligent is used as a higher level of measured intellect. We give a higher compliment when we tell someone they are intelligent, versus when we tell them that they are smart. Intelligence is directly related to our own degree of sophisticated knowledge.

Smart can also be applied to describe appearance. If you are a smart dresser, or you represent yourself in a smart way, this in no way implies that you have intelligence. It means that you are appropriate for the conditions, and that you look very good. We don’t imply that you are an intelligent dresser.

Intelligence also implies a certain degree of higher education. Whether you’ve actually completed a higher education, or you have yet to do so, we refer to intelligent people as those we assume to have completed a higher level of education than high school. While there are those who are intelligent who never go to college, the implication is essential when understanding the description offered.

Summary:



1. Smart is a learned application.

2. Smart is an earned status.

3. Intelligence is the measurement of your ability to become smarter through learning.

4. Smart can be applied to sarcasm.

5. Intelligence infers a higher degree of intelligence when compared to smart.

6. Smart can be used to describe appearances.

7. Intelligence implies higher learning levels, and higher education.



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let's see now.............i decided to look up smart in the dictionary.

ok.

1. to cause or feel a sharp, stinging pain. - yes.

2. to suffer from wounded feelings, shame or distress. - yes.

3. having or showing quick intelligence. - yes.

4. clever or witty. - yes.

5. neat or trim in appearance. - yes.

6. elegant on fashionable. - yes.

7. brisk or vigorous. - yes.

8. sharp or keen. - yes.

9. equipped with electronic control devices, as a missle. - not sure. hahahah

10. containing built-in electronic processing power : a smart terminal. - hmmmmmmm



Well..........I would say Doberman are pretty darn smart.

Hugz to ALL Doberman!

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Frankly we don't have the best tools for measuring animal intelligence and most experiments designed to test dog intelligence focus on biddability.

When you're talking about the supposed 5 (or 10) smartest breeds, I think it really comes down to the individual dog. A very smart doberman may be smarter than a not-so-smart border collie.

But again, "smart" is pretty subjective.
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They may not be quite the "smartest" but best all around for my personal taste and family/lifestyle
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Frankly we don't have the best tools for measuring animal intelligence and most experiments designed to test dog intelligence focus on biddability.

When you're talking about the supposed 5 (or 10) smartest breeds, I think it really comes down to the individual dog. A very smart doberman may be smarter than a not-so-smart border collie.

But again, "smart" is pretty subjective.
Bolded mine.

This is why I don't like "intelligence" lists. A biddable dog might not be a very intelligent dog. A dog that doesn't listen might be very intelligent indeed. Aren't wolf hybrids supposed to be smarter because they have the wolf's bigger brain size? And they're some of the hardest dogs to train because they go "meh" at most common motivators that domestic dogs get wiggly at. Sighthounds and chows and sharpei are supposed to be dumb as rocks, but many sighthound owners have told me that they just want to do things their way and don't really care that you have a cookie

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I suppose I shouldn't say MOST experiments focus on biddability.. many of them do, but researchers are always finding novel ways to test animal intelligence.

But people have different ideas as to what qualifies as intelligence.

There is a very wide range of intelligences even within a single breed.
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This is why I don't like "intelligence" lists. A biddable dog might not be a very intelligent dog. A dog that doesn't listen might be very intelligent indeed. Aren't wolf hybrids supposed to be smarter because they have the wolf's bigger brain size? And they're some of the hardest dogs to train because they go "meh" at most common motivators that domestic dogs get wiggly at. Sighthounds and chows and sharpei are supposed to be dumb as rocks, but many sighthound owners have told me that they just want to do things their way and don't really care that you have a cookie

The smartest dog in the world will always be my dog

This is essentially because dogs are underdeveloped wolves aka puppies noy from intelligence.

On the actual topic, no I think there are many breeds 'smarter' than dobermans.
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Old 12-05-2012, 01:29 PM   #19 (permalink)
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This is essentially because dogs are underdeveloped wolves aka puppies noy from intelligence.

On the actual topic, no I think there are many breeds 'smarter' than dobermans.
It kind of is from intelligence. Aside from the bigger brain size, we've bred dogs to be more dependent on people and have removed (or tried to remove) factors that would make a dog NOT rely on us. One of those factors is indeed intelligence. A high-content hybrid is a difficult animal to keep penned up, for example, because it figures out ways to get out that many dogs don't dream of. They're legal here if you've got a permit and a buddy of mine has a rescue that he can't leave anywhere. Broke out of crates, so he let it free roam in a room. Figured out his latch, so he got a new lock that requires thumbs. Figured out that one too, somehow, so he got two deadbolts instead. Broke the door down, so he got a heavier door. Dog couldn't get out via door, so he broke the window. Blaze is a pain in his side, to say the least. He's an F1, from a half wolf daddy and a wolf mama. He also hangs back and analyzes situations before deciding how he's going to react to them, and my friend has complained before about how creative he's had to get to train this dog because he just doesn't care about toys or praise or milkbones.
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I understand what you are saying but that is independence rather than intelligence.
There are plenty of escapologist dogs, just look on you tube. I have one, she is an English Bull terrier, supposedly a fairly stupid breed.......she not only opens a crate from within but opens the OTHER dogs crates to let them out, round door handles by moving her paws in different directions at the same time....
This 'stupid' dog shows very high problem solving skills she has done and still does a number of very 'clever' things.

The point I was making is the wiggly interest in things a wolf wouldn't look at is because dogs 'development' is stunted compared to Wolves. Not my opinion, look it up.
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Well, they are definitely high up there! However, I think they are beaten by the Border Collie, who is first, and they are the fifth smartest.
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May not be the smartest, but my dobermans have been the smartest dogs I have ever had. Well, except for the weimaraner doberman cross that was the very smartest dog I have ever seen for just having good sense and judgement.
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Well, they are definitely high up there! However, I think they are beaten by the Border Collie, who is first, and they are the fifth smartest.
Mmmm Dobie v Collie

Which one is smarter

Border Collie - chases sheep for a living
Dobie - gets waited on hand and foot

Border Collie - lives outside - sleeps usually in a kennel
Dobie - lives inside - sleeps usually in their owners bed

Border Collie - eats table scraps or the cheapest food the farmer can get
Dobie - the best food and most expensive their owner can get.

Border Collie - spends all day out in the rain
Dobie - rain!! No way - spends all day in front of the fire

Border Collie - has to make do with the coat it was born with
Dobie - various expensive coats provided for - including Jammies and rain coats

Get my drift lol.

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Mmmm Dobie v Collie

Which one is smarter

Border Collie - chases sheep for a living
Dobie - gets waited on hand and foot

Border Collie - lives outside - sleeps usually in a kennel
Dobie - lives inside - sleeps usually in their owners bed

Border Collie - eats table scraps or the cheapest food the farmer can get
Dobie - the best food and most expensive their owner can get.

Border Collie - spends all day out in the rain
Dobie - rain!! No way - spends all day in front of the fire

Border Collie - has to make do with the coat it was born with
Dobie - various expensive coats provided for - including Jammies and rain coats

Get my drift lol.

Now which is smarter ��

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I watched my mother's Standard Poodle apparently abandon a mouse he'd chased under the bed.

Only to return with my grandmother's Chihuahua, who flushed the mouse out for him.

I am not sure my Dobermans have that kind of reasoning ability.

They are, however, smart enough for me!

(I had a cat who liked to bring mice in, but didn't kill them; that's where the mouse came from in the first place.)
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