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Old 12-02-2012, 10:10 AM   #1 (permalink)
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O.k. Please, someone explain, in detail, what a B.Y.B is?

And those who bought from a back yard breeder, please share your story?





Whats would happen to all the B.Y.B puppies if starting tomorrow, unannounced, everyone stopped going to them? ... I say a lot of puppy deaths, and/or irresponsible people without the means to provide for one would be their only option.( People that should never have a dog and would only get one if it was offered free, like my dad)


I bought both of mines from, i guess, a byb.

Jayda, who i got seven years ago, till this day is still healthy and as of yet knock on wood) hasn't had any health issues at all. Only a minor skin infection that cleared in one week on antibiotics. I did not get to see the mom or father. He told us to meet in the Petsmart parking lot. When he arrived, He had 7 cute little doby puppies inside. I wanted the one with the mohawk on her neck ( Jayda). I knew that meant there was a glinch in here doberman DNA for a ridge to show up on her neck but thats why I chose her. None of the other pups had them. He picked the perfect spot because as soon as i gave him the money, we went inside Petsmart. I paid 350.

Bronson, now 4 months old, he's huge! Already have Jayda size. So far he's healthy. All testings looks good, especially for a blue doberman. The lady I got him from could have easily bred champion dogs, ( even though she says Bronson has champion bloodline, I pay that no mind) She's rich! I mean her house is beautiful and she has 18 acres. Me and my co-worker/friend drove down to get him and they ended up snatching us up to some wine and good conversation. I bought Bronson for $500.


Please share your story, and price you paid if you don't mind.
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They would end up in shelters, and people would rescue them from shelters instead of exchanging money with the byb, or they would seek out a quality puppy from a quality breeder. The simple answer to the byb problem is it comes down to supply and demand, and that is impacted by educating the public. If there is no demand because people become well educated on purchasing a puppy through a reputable breeder, back yard breeders will not breed because they have no easy way to place the puppies. One of DT's main goals is to educate.

Why am I even replying to this thread though? If you've been on DT this long and you still don't get it, my guess is there's no hope.
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A glinch in her Doberman DNA?? What's that mean?
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Uhhhh my Toorc has cowlicks and zippers.... Pretty sure there isn't anything "glinchy" about him o_O
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This thread has been done before - within the last few months, if I remember right.

To add to the thread, slightly, my feelings are the same as Greenkouki's.
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Old 12-02-2012, 10:54 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I was told doberman's aren't suppose to have it. From the top of her head to the end of her neck there is a mohawk that flares up. Im sorry, yet again I wasn't trying to offend any one and I know what you guys are trying to educate people. I just wanted to converse? Picked a topic? Everyone that wants a doberman cant always afford a $1500 dog, or any other breed for that pricing. I was reading a couple of post from people that had gotten their pups from one and just wanted to share the stories, good ad bad. I've worked with shelters, Ive worked with rescue groups, they cant save or take everyone.... That was just a question I wanted answered from other minds as well... Its something that I really thought about

When my mom had to give me back Jayda she wanted another dog, a Rottweiler. So she, finds one, get there and she swears its a meth house. She said the people looked really dirty and nasty and Simba was extremely skinny and covered in her own matter. My mom said she thought hard about it, thinking this dog is probably sick anyway, but still decided to keep her. She gave them the money and now Simba's happy and fine. See, I just like stories like that. I felt like my mom saved her, you know. They would've sold her for drugs or something or to a friend that does drugs. I knew people that wanted dogs just to dog fight growing up and I had to threaten them. I took one of their dogs and Spayed her and he didnt want her anymore.
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My first doberman was from a pet store. I paid $700 for him. Knew nothing about BYBs or anything. He was truly a wonderful dobe boy. Unfortunately I had to rehome him but this time around, I did things right and now I have Toorc. My next doberman and all my future ones will come from reputable breeders.
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Oh I didnt know, Please guys do not get upset at me again. I was on a roll of doing good. Sometime I just want to talk.


A little TMI but I dont have many people to talk to. Ever since I moved to maryland, Ive never felt this alone. Because of that I focus only one work and my dogs.

Ive been trying to find another forum. One that is basically just casual, and etc.
If anyone knows of one, let me know and that would be cool. I could talk about dobermans or grooming all day with the right group and that all I was trying to do.
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My first doberman was from a pet store. I paid $700 for him. Knew nothing about BYBs or anything. He was truly a wonderful dobe boy. Unfortunately I had to rehome him .
I am getting Bronson neutered for just that reason, even though it would NEVER happen. I do not want him bred and if something should ever happen to me, I cant guarentee the other guardian will be as responsible
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They would've sold her for drugs or something or to a friend that does drugs.
They probably did sell her for drugs.
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If someone can't afford $1500 to buy a Donermann then they probably shouldn't own a Dobermann. When/if health problems arise, as they often do in this breed, you will be looking at many times that amount.
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Uhhhh my Toorc has cowlicks and zippers.... Pretty sure there isn't anything "glinchy" about him o_O
Come on really?

You should know what I meant by that....

You just reveal to me that someone told me something stupid about her mohawk then and I was stupid to continue to believe that. You could've done that without the sarcasm though...
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My personal opinion.....I would never spend that kind of money on a dog. All my dogs are rescues or BYB dogs. It isn't that I can't afford it, but that I won't pay those ridiculous prices. The most I spent on a Dog was $800. And he was from a highly respected breeder. In the time I had him I put over $5,000 into him in surgeries. S just because someone buys cheap, doesn't mean they can't afford to care for their dog.


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If someone can't afford $1500 to buy a Donermann then they probably shouldn't own a Dobermann. When/if health problems arise, as they often do in this breed, you will be looking at many times that amount.
I make enough money and have enough saved to take care of any health issue. I'' say no more on the topic.

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I was responding to this, not meaning you had no money. No need to flip out.
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Everyone that wants a doberman cant always afford a $1500 dog, or any other breed for that pricing.
For those that cannot afford the cost of a puppy from a good breeder, there are plenty of Dobermans (even puppies) in rescue groups and shelters all around the country. There are 1300 Dobermans that come up in a Petfinder search using my location, and that's certainly not the whole country.

I don't condemn people from buying from bad breeders if they didn't know any better (I did that, and I think many people here got their first Doberman from bad breeders, not knowing any better). However, to do it again, knowing what you are doing...that's not okay.
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I have a hard time believing you've done any real work in rescue yet you still don't understand what's wrong with BYB.

I think you're asking the wrong questions. To me it seems like you're very uninformed about what a GOOD breeder is along with little know understanding of the details and why's of good breeders. I think you need a better understanding of good breeders so you can see the difference between them and a BYB for yourself.

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Whats would happen to all the B.Y.B puppies if starting tomorrow, unannounced, everyone stopped going to them? ... I say a lot of puppy deaths, and/or irresponsible people without the means to provide for one would be their only option.( People that should never have a dog and would only get one if it was offered free, like my dad)
There are already a lot of deaths caused by BYBs when animals are dumped on the street, dumped in shelters, picked-up and euth'd by animal control, neglected proper veterinary care, and on and on and on...

People who can't afford to properly care for the dogs do already end up with them thanks to BYB - because BYB don't screen homes, nor do they follow up on care and life of the puppy/dog. When they get their money there is no concern or attempt to follow up on the home and life of the pup.

Also, plenty of people have more than enough money to purchase and house a dog. It doesn't mean they're well suited for a dog as a pet. In this country it seems nearly everyone and their cousin believes their entitled to a dog whether or not they have any clue how to actually care for, raise, and train the animal. BYBs will sell their pups to ANYONE. Good breeders don't. Which is another reason some people buy from a BYB - because there is no screening process or expectations other than being able to afford the purchase price and they're turned down by a good breeder who sees reasons they're probably not a good home or owner. The BYB puts a pup in their hands anyway.

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...The lady I got him from could have easily bred champion dogs, ( even though she says Bronson has champion bloodline, I pay that no mind) She's rich! I mean her house is beautiful and she has 18 acres. Me and my co-worker/friend drove down to get him and they ended up snatching us up to some wine and good conversation. I bought Bronson for $500...
Being rich doesn't mean his breeder is better than a low-income BYB, nor does it mean she could *easily* breed champions. It takes a hell of a lot more than just money to breed champion dogs. Don't get me wrong, you do need money for health testing, proper care, and titling, but that is not the end all, be all to breeding champion dogs. Far from it.

Also, at $500 per puppy when she's putting little to no money into her breeding decisions and I don't doubt she does have quite a bit of money in her bank account.
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Hm you wanna hear a happy BYB story???

Here's MY byb's story.

He was purchased from a BYB as a pup obviously. Someone either got over the fact that he was growing and no longer a cute puppy or thought he was gonna be a cool huge scary guard dog. So he was tied out to their front porch. A co-worker's wife passed by the house on a daily basis. After she noticed there was a dog there, she saw the dog every day get skinnier and lose more hair. She contacted authorities and they said they could do nothing about it. The 'owners' then dumped him there and moved. This next part is illegal but here it goes: the co-workers wife could not stand to see the dog like that so on her back from work she pulled over and took him off of the front porch. He was ~40-50 lbs (now close to 100), almost completely hairless, and his ears were so inflamed that they didn't lay down. She took him to the vet, gave him food every day, and gave him a warm house to live in.

For the first year or so, it was ok. The husband was never a fan of dogs but told the wife "You can keep him until he's healthy then you need to sell him". After about a year, the husband pretty much had it with taking care of an expensive large breed dog. I mean, hell, dogs drool, poop, get hair everywhere and request attention. The husband, (my co-worker), was one piece of ****. I can't even remember how many times he bragged about beating the tar out of Zeus, for everything he did that classified as 'being a dog'. One day he came home to poop everywhere because Zeus had gotten into something. He got beat and thrown outside for a week. If the husband came home and saw hair on the couch, he said he would 'drag him by his scruff to the couch, shove his nose in it and beat him until he cried'. It's not surprise that when the old owner would try to clip his nails, Zeus took full advantage and bit him multiple times. The guy's quote about it was "Lets just say, he knows who the boss is now." One day he got loose. The husband came to work and said 'eh, my dog got out'. another coworker said 'did you go look for him? did you ask the neighbors? Did you post flyers??' Husband responded "Nah, he'll be fine". A few days later a neighbor found him and brought him back to the house.

The husband always made my blood boil the way he talked about the dog, but he was my boss and I felt like I couldn't do anything about it. Finally, he says he's just gonna leave him in the backyard "until he's gone". I told him I'd take him for a bit and see if he works out. I admit, I was intimidated by the Doberman Pinscher breed. I hadn't met any that weren't outside charging their fences like some rabid killing machine, and it didn't help that my parents always said they were mean, scary dogs. Long story short, I obviously realized how ridiculous this was after I met Zeus, and it took about 5 minutes for me to realize that there was no way in hell I'd be giving him back.

Anyways, my dog has been through atleast 4 years of hell due to a BYB and irresponsible owner. Had Zeus's litter of puppies not been sold and instead taken to a rescue or shelter, he would be a completely different dog than he is today.
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I bought both of mines from, i guess, a byb.
No guess about it. Where you bought it, how you bought it, the entire transaction screams byb. Having a cowlicks or zippers has nothing to do with a "glitch" in the dna. These are not faults per akc. As far as picking the perfect spot.......omg.

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Jayda, who i got seven years ago, till this day is still healthy and as of yet knock on wood) hasn't had any health issues at all. Only a minor skin infection that cleared in one week on antibiotics. I did not get to see the mom or father. He told us to meet in the Petsmart parking lot. When he arrived, He had 7 cute little doby puppies inside. I wanted the one with the mohawk on her neck ( Jayda). I knew that meant there was a glinch in here doberman DNA for a ridge to show up on her neck but thats why I chose her. None of the other pups had them. He picked the perfect spot because as soon as i gave him the money, we went inside Petsmart. I paid 350.

Bronson, now 4 months old, he's huge! Already have Jayda size. So far he's healthy. All testings looks good, especially for a blue doberman. The lady I got him from could have easily bred champion dogs, ( even though she says Bronson has champion bloodline, I pay that no mind) She's rich! I mean her house is beautiful and she has 18 acres. Me and my co-worker/friend drove down to get him and they ended up snatching us up to some wine and good conversation. I bought Bronson for $500.


Please share your story, and price you paid if you don't mind.
Your second purchase is as much a byb as your first.

The only thing you did with both of your purchases is finance more breedings by bybs. More puppies being sold in a parking lot, more puppies being touted as "having championship lines". Those two things alone would send an educated buyer screaming for the door. That is the classic sales pitch from a byb and the parking lot sale site is so you don't know anything about the situation that the puppies came from.....that by handing over money condemned more litters to be bred.

Good grief.......
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I love the glitchy cowlick that my boy has on his shoulder. I like to tickle it, haha, not that my dog really cares.
He was one of his breeder's (a reputable one) "show" prospects too.

I'd love to be lucky enough to get a zipper-nosed pup one day.
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I haven't personally owned a BYB dog, but all of my fosters have been from BYBs. Otto (my now deceased Doberman) was from a great breeder. He had everything I dreamed of temperament wise and although he had some minor health issues, he lived to almost 13 years old. My foster dogs have all been a different story. The majority of them have had questionable temperaments that most of our adopters could not handle nor would they want to. You've obviously had good experiences with BYBs, but my experiences have been very negative. I just can't imagine giving my hard earned money to someone that doesn't have the breed's best interest at heart. I go through periods, usually after a new rescue comes in ridden with health problems or behavioral issues, where I truly hate BYBs and the people that perpetuate that cycle. Of course, I come back to reality and realize that people make mistakes, but to continuously make the same mistake over and over astounds me. If you really do have rescue experience, how have you not experienced this same flood of emotions?
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Originally Posted by Ruffly Speaking: I consider him a rescue.
Here’s how it goes:
Person A shows up with a puppy.
Person B says “Oh, such a cutie! Where’d you get him?”

Person A says “Well, I got him from a pet store, but they said he was get*ting so old that they were going to send him back to the broker!”
or
“I got him from some*body sell*ing pup*pies online, and when I got there the con*di*tions were so bad I had to buy him!”
or
“I called a breeder about pup*pies in the Want Ads, and she said that she had a puppy she was going to put down because he was sick!”
or
“When I got there, I knew I shouldn’t buy him, but I bonded instantly with him and I had to take him!”

and they always, ALWAYS end with
“So I consider him a rescue.”

Well, I consider my hand to be a pumpkin pie, but so far reality has not responded to my wishes.
That was NOT a rescue. That was a PURCHASE. And it is a purchase that rewarded, usually amply, the person selling the puppy.

My next favorite part is when person B says someihing like the following:
“Well, it doesn’t mat*ter where dogs come from, as long as they find love!”
or
“I am sure you couldn’t have left him behind!”
or
“I am so glad that you gave him this won*der*ful happy ending!”
or
“I can’t believe nobody bought him before you! Good for you for buy*ing him!”

Two words:
BULL
PUCKY.

Do you REALLY think it doesn’t mat*ter where dogs come from, as long as they get carried off into the sunrise, surrounded by butterflies and the sound of an autoharp? Seriously?

Do you think it does that person a BIT of good to have their PURCHASE given your stamp of approval?

Because here’s who DOESN’T go off into the sunrise:
- All the other dogs in that pet store, which can continue in business another day because YOU just paid their rent and salaries and covered the pittance they paid for that puppy.
- The next corgi puppy or Lab puppy or Shepherd puppy who gets ordered from Hunte Corp. because YOU showed them there’s a market for this breed, so we’d better get two next time.
- The other dogs in that breeder’s home, who will now be bred again because wow, she just covered six months of electric bill in a single day thanks to YOUR check, so she WILL breed those dogs again.
- The mother dog in the puppy mill somewhere in the Midwest, who will be bred again because Hunt corp got a ton of orders for corgis or Labs or Shepherds or Poodles this month.
- The other dogs in your puppy’s litter, who were sold to who knows what people with zero screening or any qualifications other than a credit card.

There is a sacred rule upon which our entire society is built: The end does not justify the means.
It is a GOOD thing that the puppy is going to have a good life. That does not justify the tens or hundreds or thousands of BAD things that had to occur to get him to that point.

Your dog is a rescue if he came from a rescue. A rescue is an organization desperately trying to put itself out of business.
Your dog is NOT a rescue if he came from a pet store. A pet store is a place trying to STAY in business.
Your dog is NOT a rescue if he came from a breeder. And that includes a good one; my puppies are not “adopted” or “rescued” or anything of the kind. I SELL puppies. The difference is that a good breeder doesn’t view anything she does as a business, and if she did she’d be the worst businessperson on the planet. She sells puppies based on the accomplishments of their parents and she loses money. A bad breeder is trying to make breeding their business, selling puppies based on the value of cuteness and maximizing profits however is possible. But even when you buy from the best breeder on earth, YOU ARE NOT RESCUING.

And STOP mouthing those hideous platitudes about how it doesn’t matter where a dog comes from as long as it’s loved. You do no one any favors when you justify giving hundreds or thousands of dollars to a machine that grinds up dogs and spits them out dead.
When you buy from a pet store or puppy mill or bad breeder, you create pain ten times the size of the good you’ve done. When you encourage that purchase, you’re scratching the chin of a business that can only be called evil.

STOP IT.

If you did something wrong, if you made a mistake, even if you knew it was wrong and said heck with it, I’m doing it anyway, OWN IT. Say “I did some*thing really stupid, something I hope you don’t ever do, something I hope nobody ever does.”

If somebody comes to you chirruping about a puppy, say “He’s gorgeous, but you can never, never do that again and here’s why.” Will it offend people? Absolutely. Will they think you’re mean and uncharitable and go away saying “I don’t regret a single thing I did! I’d do it again!” For sure.

But the thing is, they WON’T do it again. The next time they stop in front of a pet store window, they’ll hear your voice and they’ll feel just a little bit ashamed, and they will NOT go back in. They may attribute the wiggle in their gut as a desire for Cinnabon that’s greater than their desire to see a Beagle puppy, but the result is the same. A puppy does not get purchased.

And if enough are not purchased, that pet store will go out of business. Don’t think it can happen? It does all the time. When I was a kid, everybody got every pet from a pet store, and there were little mom and pop pet stores in every town. Now, I can think of only four or five within two hours of me. Those are staying in business because they have the tiny designer dogs of the moment; I haven’t seen a big dog in a pet store in New England in years. IT’S WORKING.

And if enough pet stores go out of business, Hunte will go out of business. And when that happens, thousands of puppy mills will simply shutter their doors. There will be a massive increase in dog auctions for six months and then they’ll blessedly go away. And THAT is the true end we want.

Don’t settle for anything else.
I originally posted it in this thread here - BYB Question...Is It REALLY Bad To Purchase From Them
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You should know what I meant by that....

You just reveal to me that someone told me something stupid about her mohawk then and I was stupid to continue to believe that. You could've done that without the sarcasm though...
No sarcasm at all just saying. Some people actually find the cowlicks and zippers to be a trait that are wanted. They are extra adorable


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Originally Posted by Ruffly Speaking: I don't want a show dog; I just want a pet
This is one of the most pervasive statements that puppy buyers, especially families, express when they're looking for a dog. What they really mean, of course, is that they don't want a show BREEDER- don't want to pay the high price they think show breeders charge, don't want to go through the often invasive interview process, and think that they can get a better deal because they can get a Lab for $150 or a Shepherd for $300.

I want you to change your mind. I want you to not only realize the benefits of buying a show-bred dog, I want you to INSIST on a show bred dog. And I want you to realize the cheap dog is really the one that's the rip-off. And then I want you to go be obnoxious, and when your co-worker says she's getting a puppy because her neighbor, who raises them, will give her one for free, or when your brother-in-law announces that he's buying a goldendoodle for the kids, I want you to launch yourself in to your solar plexus and steal their wallets and their car keys.

Here's why:

If I ask you why you want a German Shepherd, or a Maltese, or a Labrador, or a Leonberger, would bet you're not going to talk about how much you like their color. You're going to tell me things about personality, ability (to perform a specific task), relationship with other animals or humans, size, coat, temperament, and so on. You'll describe playing ball, or how affectionate and intelligent you've heard they are, or how well they get along with kids.

The things you will be looking for aren't the things that describe just "dog", they'll be the things that make this particular breed unique and unlike other breeds.

That's where people have made the right initial decision- they've taken the time and made the effort to understand that there are differences between breeds, and that they should get one that at least comes close to matching their picture of what they want a dog to be.

The next step, tragically, is that they go out and find a dog of that breed for as little money and with as much ease as possible.

You need to realize that when you do this, you're going to the used car dealership, WATCHING them pry the "Audi" plate off of a new car, observing them as they use bondo to stick it on a '98 Corolla, then writing them a check and feeling smug that you got an Audi for so little.

It's no bargain.

Those things that distinguish the breed you want from the generic world of "dog" are only there because someone worked really hard to get them there. And as soon as that work ceases, the dog, no matter how purebred, begins to revert to the generic. That doesn't mean you won't get a good dog- the magic and the blessing of dogs is that they are so hard to mess up, in their good souls and minds, that even the most hideously bred one can still be a great dog- but it will not be a great Shepherd, or a great Puli, or a great Corgi. You will not get the specialized abilities, tendencies, or talents of the breed.

If you don't NEED those specialized abilities or the predictability of a particular breed, you shouldn't be buying a dog at all. You should go rescue one. That way you are saving a life and not putting money in pockets where it doesn't belong.

If you want a purebred and know that a rescue is not going to fit the bill, the absolute WORST thing you can do is assume that a name equals anything. They really are nothing more than name plates on cars. What matters is whether the engineering and design and service department back up the name plate, so you have some expectation that you're walking away with more than a label.

Keeping a group of dogs looking and acting like their breed is hard, HARD work. If you do not get the impression that the breeder you are looking at is working that hard, is that dedicated to the breed, is struggling to produce dogs that are more than just a breed name, you are getting no bargain, you are only getting ripped off.
*Feel free to replace show bred with working bred since a good working breeder still titles and health tests.
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