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Fortheloveofadoberman · 12-05-2012, 07:01 PM

ughh I am so exhausted in trying to answer this, you have no idea how many times I have written to post learning I was kicked off

I will attempt again this way yikes..
1. No clubs 2 hours away schutzhund club
2. breeders confusing American vs European told too sharp, more healthier, more dependable
3. Not miffed at being asked what I wanted in a dog, just confused thinking it had to do with the lines above mentioned.
4. I have met alot of wonderful show people, who showed me how to look at a show dog still learning.
5. Next breeder hope she/he will ask me a ton of questions as I will ask questions.

ok not what I wanted to say but I keep gettin kicked off have a very hard time answering in threads. I appreciate all of the feedback and discussions never thought it was such a touchy subject and hope others learn from all this insight too. please don't crack my knuckles I would really like to be in depth but i can't

for the record I am glad to be here and will ask for help when my girl has passed from this horrible disease.

VZ-Doberman · 12-05-2012, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rosemary

Well, BK's Thunder Jet still doesn't have any points as of 11-15-12.

Don't know his other dogs' names, though, so I can't look them up, but I'm sure he'd be bragging about them if they did.....

Oh, I'm wounded to the quick!! He said we'd see him in the confo ring. Maybe he meant he would be one of the guys in the ring who picks up the do-do left behind by those dobes he has no use for.

He lied. Imagine that......

jdd · 12-05-2012, 07:28 PM

Nope, haven't seem him at a show since the one time way back. Felt bad for his dog.

GingerGunlock · 12-05-2012, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by falnfenix

True, but most home invasions don't involve hobbyists...and typically, firearms used in such things are crappy "Saturday night specials" that may or may not work.

Probably shotguns with a pistol grip. Painful as heck to shoot. I think they exist solely to show off how tough the shooter is. They aren't useful. Example: Mossberg Persuader.

(Don't mind me, I've had a crap day and firearms are one of my hobbies. Talking about them makes me happier than I was when I got home.)

I meant like this:

(google image search turned up this thread on a firearms board)

(what I minded wasn't the firearms talk...which I can only sort of hold forth on, having never fired one. I just got weirded out by the other turns the thread was taking.....)

Done being off topic now, apologies.

(ETA: actually, funny story, the firearms forum is called "Firearms Talk")

falnfenix · 12-05-2012, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GingerGunlock

I meant like this:

(google image search turned up this thread on a firearms board)

(what I minded wasn't the firearms talk...which I can only sort of hold forth on, having never fired one. I just got weirded out by the other turns the thread was taking.....)

Done being off topic now, apologies.

(ETA: actually, funny story, the firearms forum is called "Firearms Talk")

oh wow. that's ... quite old. heh. i'd be inclined to laugh if someone came at me with something *that* old. even if it is essentially a century-old sawed-off. it's almost cute. or, at least, it could be if the modifications had been well-done. and gosh, i can't imagine the PAIN of actually trying to fire that thing. ouchie, my wrist!

also: there are a metric crapton of firearms forums out there. that was one i didn't know existed, but i should have expected it. there's a forum for every brand in existence and in antiquity.

[/gundork]

VZ-Doberman · 12-05-2012, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jdd

Nope, haven't seem him at a show since the one time way back. Felt bad for his dog.

Can you explain? Thanks

smudgeid · 12-05-2012, 11:05 PM

Hunting season is now & some of the guys near the farm are definitely still hunting in the 'bow & muzzle loading' weeks.

I'm not sure why anyone would want their doberman going after hunters? Most hunters are decent, don't trespass & will leave if asked/told to.
Kate

Q734 · 12-07-2012, 07:26 PM

"Sissy show dobermans"...hahaha thanks for the laughs.
Mai Sissy show doberman- let me sho U him. LMAO

kerwin50 · 12-08-2012, 07:25 AM

I find it really humorous that only breeders who regularly show dobermans should be able to sell them, and monopolize the market.
Spreading propaganda about the so called back yard breeder.
No all this publicity has not hurt my sales.
As a matter of fact many people that have read these posting are flabbergasted by them.
By all mean keep posting them and be sure to mention Kerwin Abels.
The back yard breeder is here to stay

VZ-Doberman · 12-08-2012, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by kerwin50

I find it really humorous that only breeders who regularly show dobermans should be able to sell them, and monopolize the market.

See, you can't even get that right. Breeders who breed to the standard and prove their breeding stock with competitions are bona fide breeders. You, on the other hand are still the bane of the breed.

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Originally Posted by kerwin50

Spreading propaganda about the so called back yard breeder.

Not propaganda....truth. And nothing "so called". You are a byb.

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Originally Posted by kerwin50

No all this publicity has not hurt my sales.

That's because you sell your substandard dogs to an uneducated public. They don't know what you are.

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Originally Posted by kerwin50

As a matter of fact many people that have read these posting are flabbergasted by them.

I have no doubt. Here they get the truth. From you they get lies and poorly bred dogs. They see what you are.

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Originally Posted by kerwin50

By all mean keep posting them and be sure to mention Kerwin Abels.
The back yard breeder is here to stay

Be assured, Kermit, we most certainly will tell the public exactly what you are (BACKYARD BREEDER) and please keep posting here because when anyone interested in a dobe googles byb or your name these threads pop up and let them know you admit to this. And just how shoddy your so called breeding program is.

StarlightDobe · 12-08-2012, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by monicaei

Ohhhh... I think I get it now, this is Kerwin as in the breeder Kerwin Ables?

Breeder? dont make me laugh, more like greeder.

VZ-Doberman · 12-08-2012, 08:56 AM

Kermit is a self proclaimed byb. At least he admits his failings.

StarlightDobe · 12-08-2012, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by kerwin50

Starlight I am really considering suing ypou for libel.
You state I do my own tail cropping. That is a lie. Twin Oaks in cameron MO does my tail cropping, and is the one that did your doberman.

I stated that someone who purchased a pup from you spent thousands of dollars on an open wound, infected tail which her vet stated had been done in unsterile conditions, and most likely at home. Get it right

May we see your dobermans tail?
Also I do not beleive you have talked to three people that have bought a doberman from me.

Believe all you want, its clear you believe in fairies too so whatever.

Lisa Rose sent me a retraction.
Dainelle tried to scam me.
You have never been to my place, and it is only 15 miles from cameron MO.

I wasnt to your place because you did not allow us to see the parents or other litters.

You went to a friend of mine's house that was taking care of my dobermans while I was recovering from Gullian Barre. I am sorry that they did not want strangers in thier home or milling around thier property.

If they were letting you use the property for the purpose of selling dogs they should have expected customers to come in to see the pups.

When I spoke to your husband, he assured me he would use cesar millan training methods.

Thats really funny because at the time we bought the pup from you, I was the only one who spoke to you prior to picking the pup up, and my husband didnt even know who the hell Cesaer Milan was, so good lie dude.

My dobermans need proper training. They are not your sissy show doberman types.

To my knowledge show dobermans are far from "sissy" types.

They are bred to Her Louis Doberman's temperment standards.

Your pups arent bred to any standard other than how much they can fill your pocketbook! Have you ever health tested one, shown one to a champion title, earned an agility or obedience title?

I have recieved many emails from past customers telling me how thier doberman protected them, and thanking me.
I am sorry I did not do a better job of screening you, as my dobermans do need a good pack leader, and not some one who is going to let them run ship shod over them.
I would be willing to properly train your doberman for a fee, provided you continue using cesar millans trainning methods.

I wouldnt let you within 50 miles of my dog, Lord knows she has been through enough repurcussions from you already.

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Originally Posted by kerwin50

How is that crazy?
Your saying cesar millan's training methods are crazy.
Are you saying cannie's don't have a pack behavior?
And yes alot of show dobermans will cringe in the face of danger, just fire off a gun an watch them run.
Alot of show dobermans have a million times more confidence than the dogs you breed.

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Originally Posted by kerwin50

Maybe you could pass those techniques to starlight.
Myself I would much rather my doberman go after some one who is armed than some one who is armed going after my family.
O an BTW some one who is armed only has one shot and they better make it count when it comes to my dobermans.

Someone who is armed has more than one shot and trust me they arent going to worry about your dogs when they are firing. Theres plenty of room between the dog and the shooter they wont have to worry about a dead dog at their feet.

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Originally Posted by Rosemary

Well, BK's Thunder Jet still doesn't have any points as of 11-15-12.

Don't know his other dogs' names, though, so I can't look them up, but I'm sure he'd be bragging about them if they did.....

He doesnt show his dogs, at all ever. And the dams name is BK's Boos' Heidi Light Shines but you wont find anything on his dogs, they arent in any database or show registries.

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Originally Posted by kerwin50

I find it really humorous that only breeders who regularly show dobermans should be able to sell them, and monopolize the market.
Monopolize the market? I find it hilarious you even use that term, a dog is not a commodity, it is a life long commitment and a companion, right here you show your true colors as a greeder and nothing more.
Spreading propaganda about the so called back yard breeder.
No all this publicity has not hurt my sales.
hasnt hurt your sales, but your name just disappeared off the petfinder site, hmmmm
As a matter of fact many people that have read these posting are flabbergasted by them.
By all mean keep posting them and be sure to mention Kerwin Abels.
The back yard breeder is here to stay

I will spread as much truth about you as I possibly can, and let people know just what kind of a so called business you run. Id be more than happy to let people meet the dog and see just what kind of pup you produce as well.

VZ-Doberman · 12-08-2012, 09:24 AM

FYI..

There is a thread here on DT with pics of the dogs tail and leg. Pretty gruesome.

Kermit, you've gotten caught in all your lies. With each new post you dig your shame pit deeper.

AlyssaN · 12-08-2012, 11:17 AM

The second link that pops up on google when searching Kerwin Abels is "Watch out for Kerwin Abels".

The second link that pops up on google when searching KB Kennels doberman is a doberman talk forum which states "I will tell you where NOT to go, KB Kennels, or Kerwin Abels" on the google page.

I think...you're doing something wrong...

VZ-Doberman · 12-08-2012, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by AlyssaN

The second link that pops up on google when searching Kerwin Abels is "Watch out for Kerwin Abels".

The second link that pops up on google when searching KB Kennels doberman is a doberman talk forum which states "I will tell you where NOT to go, KB Kennels, or Kerwin Abels" on the google page.

I think...you're doing something wrong...

So Kermit, keep posting your BS.

kerwin50 · 01-29-2013, 08:58 PM

O I will
I've sold all my puppies but one.
It's so funny that out of all the dobermans I've sold , I have only had a couple of complaints.
BTW BK's Thunder Jet did real well in the show and I have another boy I'm getting ready to show.
Hmmmm Herr Louis Dobermann, BYB
Now thats funny.

KevinK · 01-29-2013, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayda+Bronson

I was told doberman's aren't suppose to have it. From the top of her head to the end of her neck there is a mohawk that flares up. Im sorry, yet again I wasn't trying to offend any one and I know what you guys are trying to educate people. I just wanted to converse? Picked a topic? Everyone that wants a doberman cant always afford a $1500 dog, or any other breed for that pricing. I was reading a couple of post from people that had gotten their pups from one and just wanted to share the stories, good ad bad. I've worked with shelters, Ive worked with rescue groups, they cant save or take everyone.... That was just a question I wanted answered from other minds as well... Its something that I really thought about

When my mom had to give me back Jayda she wanted another dog, a Rottweiler. So she, finds one, get there and she swears its a meth house. She said the people looked really dirty and nasty and Simba was extremely skinny and covered in her own matter. My mom said she thought hard about it, thinking this dog is probably sick anyway, but still decided to keep her. She gave them the money and now Simba's happy and fine. See, I just like stories like that. I felt like my mom saved her, you know. They would've sold her for drugs or something or to a friend that does drugs. I knew people that wanted dogs just to dog fight growing up and I had to threaten them. I took one of their dogs and Spayed her and he didnt want her anymore.

I look at it like this... Did you mom REALLY save a dog? Or, did she contribute to someone's drug dealing, as well as fund future breedings?

I think that people make mistakes, and if they accept their mistakes, and move on, all is well. (I'm not directing this at someone) But, I think when someone KNOWINGLY give their money to someone that the KNOW is a byb, these are the kind of people that I can't deal with. These "breeders" dont' give a crap about their dogs, regardless of what people think. If they diid, they would at least do the appropriate health testing, and make sure they are breeding good dogs. They make me sick...

When you give someone money, you are supporting what they do, regardless of how someone chooses to look at it. I don't see how someone can possibly think they are "saving" a life... reality check, that ONE dog you "saved", by giving your money to a shady breeder, is now putting up to a DOZEN at risk because you just helped fund the next breeding.

So, I ask... was one life saved? Or did you potentially condemn dozens of future puppies. Food for thought.

Rosemary · 01-29-2013, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kerwin50

O I will
I've sold all my puppies but one.
It's so funny that out of all the dobermans I've sold , I have only had a couple of complaints.
BTW BK's Thunder Jet did real well in the show and I have another boy I'm getting ready to show.
Hmmmm Herr Louis Dobermann, BYB
Now thats funny.

Umm, placing first in a class of one at one show, and then going nowhere in winners...... yeah, that's "real well"

According to the AKC website:
"Conformation - Awards Processed Through 15-JAN-2013
CH
Number of Points 0
Number Major Wins 0
Number Major Judges 0
Total Number Judges 0"

There is no record of any companion or performance events.

I've got a spayed mutt with more titles.

Nynaeve · 01-29-2013, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by kerwin50

O I will
I've sold all my puppies but one.
It's so funny that out of all the dobermans I've sold , I have only had a couple of complaints.
BTW BK's Thunder Jet did real well in the show and I have another boy I'm getting ready to show.
Hmmmm Herr Louis Dobermann, BYB
Now thats funny.

So he did really well? How many points does he have? Did he finish his championship? Who is the new dog you are going to show? What health testing have you done on them?

**EmilyB** · 01-29-2013, 09:56 PM

kmbeach22 · 01-29-2013, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MeadowCat

For those that cannot afford the cost of a puppy from a good breeder, there are plenty of Dobermans (even puppies) in rescue groups and shelters all around the country. There are 1300 Dobermans that come up in a Petfinder search using my location, and that's certainly not the whole country.

I don't condemn people from buying from bad breeders if they didn't know any better (I did that, and I think many people here got their first Doberman from bad breeders, not knowing any better). However, to do it again, knowing what you are doing...that's not okay.

This comment should be the end all here. Couldn't have said it better myself!

I rescued my Doberman and I couldn't be happier. Whether you paid $1500 for a Doberman or rescued a feral cat, any health issues that arise are going to be costly. It doesn't mean you have no business owning a Doberman if you couldn't afford to pay $1500 initially. When health issues arise and high priced vet bills occur, you do what you have to and make sacrifices to take care of your pet and pay the bill.