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Old 12-01-2012, 04:22 PM   #1 (permalink)
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question about males playing together...

Mariano currently has several male dobe puppies he plays with, including a few of his brothers. My question is, will he always be able to have these playdates? Or is it not going to happen? If you do think it will be hard, what age can I expect things to change?
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Old 12-01-2012, 04:33 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Mariano currently has several male dobe puppies he plays with, including a few of his brothers. My question is, will he always be able to have these playdates? Or is it not going to happen? If you do think it will be hard, what age can I expect things to change?
Much depends on the frequency of the playdates and the temperament of the dogs. My male's brother has the same sort of temperament and all of my males plus Vader could play together.

3 unrelated mature males on a hike:


3 mature males (2 brothers and 1 senior male) playing at my place with 1 bitch:

Supervision is key.
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Hi - Some folks will tell you it just isn't do-able, or isn't wise to do after young puppyhood... but we've had multiple males before, and we had Willie's father, mother, Willie, his brother Rocky for years. They played well together, and Willie & Rocky were best friends. And occasionally, their brothers Thomas and Petey would come for play dates (but not after they were a year old, as they moved)... They LOVED reuniting with their brothers, and it was always a hoot. Anyway, it really does depend on the dogs, the confidence and comfort level of the humans, and how well the dogs were socialized, and whether they spend enough time around other dogs to be pretty predictable - - - I think the more often they see each other, the more relaxed and non-confrontational they'd be. but in all cases, when dogs get together to play, complacency is never a good idea. Are they intact, or neutered?

(Just FYI - my opinion is NOT the general consensus - most folks will tell you it is just too risky, and not a wise thing to do. And, for most people, I think this is sage advice. Keep a very close eye on them when they play - and if at some point you begin to notice changes in attitude, it might be time to stop, before it escalates.)

(I see Vivienne answered at the same time . . . and with pictures. nice!)
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There's no way to tell for sure. I think it takes not only an extremely experieced person to watch the play but people who are focused on watching the play at all times. When it goes bad it can go very very very bad.

What I like about the above pictures with the males is all the room and space. Even with our intact Vizslas hunting, the ones who have issues at say a small dog park or house, do much better in the fields with room to run and space per se.

I've seen male dogs change at 10 months, 12 months, 18 months, 2 years, 4 years....again it's unpredictable. This part can be said for any puppy too
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There's no way to tell for sure. I think it takes not only an extremely experieced person to watch the play but people who are focused on watching the play at all times. When it goes bad it can go very very very bad.

What I like about the above pictures with the males is al the room and space. Even with our intact Vizslas hunting, the ones who have issues at say a small dog park or house, do much better in the fields with room to run and space per se.

I've seen male dogs change at 10 months, 12 months, 18 months, 2 years, 4 years....again it's unpredictable. This part can be said for any puppy too
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Especially the bolded. If you and the other owners are very dog savvy, good at reading body language, and capable of truly evaluating your males' temperaments then it may be possible. However I'd say 99.9% of people can not accurately describe their dogs temperament and are unable to notice the signs/read body language.
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I've been wondering the same recently as well. Skoll was tested to be good with both males and females, and previously lived with a male mastiff, but I've been hesitating about playtime with Titan. My sister thinks it would be wonderful if Titan was able to romp with a dog his size, but with me not knowing anything except words on paper about Skoll and with the prevalance of male/male aggression...

That, and I cannot physically seperate two 90+lb dogs by myself, and I do not trust Titan's owner to do more than scream in the event of a fight. Titan's 29in/120lbs(fat), Skoll is reported to be 95lbs, and I'm 145lbs... I might be able to haul Baby the pit bull away from a fight, but she's HALF their weight and I struggle with her sometimes. No way I'd be able to do anything if two big boys went at it. I'd like to try, but I'm just not willing to with the circumstances, so if Skoll meets any of the family dogs it'll be the calm/nonconfrontational female aka Mocha.
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Bacchus (5yr. intact male) plays very nicely with my son's black neutered male shep/lab mix. Would I trust him to play nicely with another male......no.
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Sammy was fine with every male dog we met when I walked them. Then one day things changed. It was two months before his fourth birthday and he doesn't like male dogs anymore. When he was a puppy he played with a few of my neighbours male dogs. When we meet those dogs he will play with them, no problems at all. My son has a small dog and when they come over the three of them play together.
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As has been said I too think it depends on the dog.
My boy Toby grew up with 2 other males in the family, (yeah I know, dumb on my part or what). All was fine till one day aged 11 months he had, had his fill of the crap Russell the larger of my 2 male terriers gave him on a daily basis (little darling sarcasm) doesn't like anything and was grouchy with him from day 1 and Toby snapped.
World War III with fur flying.
Toby remained fine with Jack my other terrier, he is fine with 2 of my friends male dogs, but only if we are on the move, exercising in non confined areas.
Any other time. NOT A CHANCE.
It's not worth the risk.
But this is my boy and in truth no one can know what can happen. When/if anything will happen.
The only thing that is certain is, if you cannot be sure of body language, the nuances exhibited by your dog/ other dogs then when/if it does kick off the real question is, are you capable and are the other dog owners capable of breaking it up.

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I'll agree it really does depend on the individuals involved. There are intact and neutered male dogs Rupert will play nice with and others he doesnt even like to be near at all, generally if they're ok he's ok. He has a male, intact GSD he plays with and they get along brilliantly. I always watch them very carefully and dont let any rough play escalate. I wouldnt feel comfortable with large groups including males I didnt know.
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Dillon would not tolerate any intact males after about 9 months of age. I was hoping with my next pup I could fix this by socializing more with males, but I'm not sure if it would make any difference. It seems to be just a thing with most male Dobies.
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My experience is similar to that of some others who have responded. Jack (now 3-1/2) is fine with the males he has known since he was a puppy, though we always keep a close watch because he still plays very roughly and we don't want rough play to escalate into something else. He's also fine and remarkably gentle with smaller dogs of any age and gender, including puppies. But he can be nasty with medium- and large-sized males he doesn't know, and I wouldn't expect him to get along with another adult male Dobe.

This is pretty much a carbon copy of the situation with our previous guy, who was also great with dogs he knew, including my sisters' neutered male GSDs, my niece's intact Swiss mountain dog, and friends' neutered male lurcher. There was some very occasional jockeying for position with one of the shepherds, but the humans in the crowd made sure that the two of them knew that this was not acceptable. So it never went beyond that.
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I have 4 male dogs in my house....but they are never together unattended and I watch thier interactions very closely. The 3 dobes get along great and the Chihuahua can be a turd with our blind dobe as he is clumsy and sometimes steps on the Chihuahua. I would say if your not sure... don't do it. A bad incident can cause a lifetime of issues. JMO
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I have a neutered doberman who will be 4 next week and a 6 1/2 month old unneutered collie puppy. Right now they adore each other. The pup is just starting to mark a bit and soon his hormones will kick in. Will they be best friends then? I don't know. I do not allow Eli's special ball out where the pup could get it in case Eli decides he wants, which has happened. At this point the pup always allows Eli to be the boss but at some point this may not happen, he may decide he doesn't want to give up that ball. So, I take the ball and coveted things out of the equation unless pup is on a tie down and I can make sure everyone is in their place if they want to have a chewy thing. I do not leave them out together when I go to work. I watch their play and interupt if it is getting too intense. I hope, hope, hope they continue to get along well. Part of the reason is the personality of the collie but he will be an intact male dog so I have to be on guard at all times really once he matures. I have a lot of dog experience and chose a breed to add that isn't known for same sex aggression but in any breed males can be males.

I wanted a female but only one female in the litter I was interested in. I hope I don't regret it but I am able to separate them in my yard and home if it ever were to become necessary on a full time basis. I don't want to have to do that so I work on training and house rules hoping for the best as the puppy matures. If he turns out not to be show quailty he will be neutered also.
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I am not overly concerned about Mariano, as much as I am the males he plays with. They seem to be a bit sharper and more independent than Mo...

They are always in wide open space when we play, and we watch them like hawks. They are boys, and the are dobermans, so they play pretty rough... but I was just wondering if there is like a cut off where we will not be able to do these weekly visits.
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Prime still runs and plays with other males but his tolerance level is much less than it was before he matured. I rarely bring him to dog parks anymore, not because he will actively seek out other dogs to fight, but because he will attack if another dog tries to dominate or challenge him, he is perfect at dog parks as long as other dogs aren't rude...but most dogs at parks are rude so we mostly avoid the park


Prime can co-exist freely with male dogs but I supervise him like a hawk and don't let play situations escalate to the point of a fight. I prefer male dogs and I want my next dog to be a male so I'm prepared to manage and deal. Prime has been socialized intensely and grew up in a dog daycare environment but still his threshold with other dogs changed once he came into maturity.

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