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My name is Sarah and I new to the forum,

I am hoping to acquire a Cropped & Docked Doberman in around 2 years, once I have finished college.

I was hoping to purchase one that is around 10months old, as I would imagine his ears would be standing by then (I would like a medium cropped dobie)

As cropping and docking is illegal in the UK, I know I would have to have documents to state that the Dobermann had been cropped and docked abroad.

However,

Do you think I would have to carry the Dobermans' documents on my at all times in case I do get stopped?

and also do any of you receive some bad comments from members of the public with having a cropped doberman?

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Don't know about the documents but you will get comments from idiots. It's legal here in the US but I still get the occasional snide remark.
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Hi welcome to the forum.
Can I ask why you would spend 2-3k to buy and import a cropped/docked Doberman when we have excellent quality dobermans in the UK plus hundreds of rescue Dobies needing good homes.




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no you dont need papers all the time.. you can get crodded and docked off epupz but they will cost a fortune and probably notbe the best breeding..

get a propper uk dobe they are lovely !!

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Hi VZ - Doberman: thank you for replying,

Yeah I suppose I will have to just put up with it if I wish to have a cropped doberman! I own Bulldogs and get alot of mean comments about them "ewww, they are ugly", "they are so fat!"etc. so I suppose I'm used to it haha!

Hi 4 Dobes: thank you for replying,

I am just so attracted to the "cropped" look! When somebody mentions "Dobermann" that is what springs to mind, a Dobermann with cropped ears and a docked tail.

As the Dobermann was originally cropped and docked, I wanted to also have the "old fashioned look".

Thank you for your comments!

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Hi voodoolizard,

yeah I have noticed the cropped and docked dobes on e-pupz and yes they are alot of money!

Don't get me wrong the natural eared dobermans are also beautiful, but I am just so drawn to the cropped look!

Thank you for your reply,

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You will likely have to import a dog from the Americas or Eastern Europe. I don't know about the import and quarantine protocol where you are but I imagine it will be somewhat difficult. Good luck.

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Hi greenkouki,

I have decided that I will buy a Dobe from somebody that has imported one into the UK, who is experienced in importing Dobermans. Also, that way I can actually go and see the dog, see if I like the look of him up close.

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Mmmm I think that you are actively encouraging a supply and demand culture.
These companies can only be bringing in these dogs to make money and I would question the welfare issue here.
Why else bring them over here.
Breeders may bring over a cropped/docked dog because its breeding lines could add to their own thus trying to improve the breed, but that said dog wouldn't be for sale.

The dogs you would be looking at would most likely have fake papers, bought cheaply, docked and cropped god knows how, imported over here in less than ideal transport. All done for profit!!

Sorry but if you really love Doberman this isn't the way to go.

I too love the look but have to accept that it is illegal in this country.
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Hi greenkouki,

I have decided that I will buy a Dobe from somebody that has imported one into the UK, who is experienced in importing Dobermans. Also, that way I can actually go and see the dog, see if I like the look of him up close.

Thank you,

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I agree with 4dobies. I think if you really want to import a well bred dog with cropped ears the right way to do it is to contact the breeders yourself and have the dog imported to you not to a dog broker.
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I agree also (third, now?) that getting a dog through a broker is a bad idea.



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I'm gonna "fourth" the no broker sentiment, simply for emphasis.
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http://m.freeads.co.uk/uk/buy__sell/...55363%22%3B%7D

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A cropped docked puppy currently for sale in the UK
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As the Dobermann was originally cropped and docked, I wanted to also have the "old fashioned look".

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lol they are also originally born with ears and a tail.. thats what came first lol !!

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With the OP considering the puppy broker route I think that trying to sway them from c/d to natural should be the least of one's concerns, personally.



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Not keen on the broker idea.
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Here on Hawaii it isn't illegal to crop/dock and we are the only Rabies free state in the US so your quarantine laws there wouldn't impact anything if you decided to import from here. Skip is the President the Doberman Pinscher club of Oahu and is the breeder of Magestic Dobermans so you could always contact him; but they rarely ever breed. There is also another Breeder here called Fantasy Island however, they only sell to show homes. Truly, I agree with everyone else though. Don't do a broker.
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Shipping a dog all the way from the US is going to be quite expensive. There are plenty of breeders who C&D in Europe and with the new laws regarding importing from the EU, you won't have to quarantine your pup. You just have to comply with the requirements such as waiting 21 days after the rabies vaccine, getting an EU passport etc. (many breeders are familiar with the procedure) and your pup can come to you at 16 weeks old.

Seriously, with so many budget airlines and cheap flights available I don't know why you would even bother with a broker. You can hop over to Hungary or wherever for less than 50€, visit the breeder in person and pick out your pup yourself. It's not hard nor expensive to move a dog within the EU. I have imported a dog from Mexico to Germany, and while that was not difficult and only $300 with Lufthansa, I flew with her. If she was travelling alone I would have paid significantly more to send her via cargo. Within Europe you are looking at around 80-100€ flying with your pup as excess baggage and it is an easy process (I also imported a pup from Poland).
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I worry about the ethics of a breeder who will simply ship a pup abroad to anyone with the money without having met them first. Also, if you buy from abroad without going and meeting the breeder and pups first, you wont know the condition and temperament of the parents, the living conditions the parents, you wont know if you've been sent the runt of the litter and could essentially be buying from a glorified puppy mill.

It isnt illegal to own a cropped and docked dog in the UK, so you wouldnt need to carry papers with you all the time. You couldnt do anything with your dogs, ie go to shows, KC agility obedience ect.

Good luck in your search.



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I should add it was 300€ not dollars, with Lufthansa. $300 is a bit too cheap
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id just get a legit pedigree from England! id love to have Caes c&d but you cant

at least with a UK pup you can view a couple of litters/parents/breeders
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I am an American who lives in Germany and have a 6mo cropped and docked dobe. He was bred from show breeders in Hungry. I do not carry my papers with me everywhere I go, however I do carry my dogs passport in my car, right next to mine. The passport came with my pup and it shows when and where his surgery was done. Although no one has accused or approached me on his crop/dock it does serve as some peace of mind. Hope that helps & good luck finding your dobie!
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Sounds like he's selling a hermaphrodite.

I don't think anyone will say a thing about it to be honest. There are a few cropped dobes I have seen over the last couple of years from Ireland with docked tails.

This is a very detailed link about docking in the uk.

Pickle was docked before it came in.

Animal Welfare Act - Tail Docking in the UK as at 6 April 2007

To be honest with you I think it is a bit disgusting that dobermans were not exempt also as they are a working breed.

In fact it makes a complete farce of the whole act really.
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