Dog fight..Do I need to worry? - Doberman Forum : Doberman Breed Dog Forums

Doberman Related Chat If your post does not fit into any other category post here.

DobermanTalk.com is the premier Doberman Dog Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-22-2012, 04:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
Alpha
 
Kekly's Avatar
 
Posts: 281
Dogs Name: Ginger & Sampson
Dogs Age: 2 1/2 yrs., 8 months
Gallery Pics: 2
Visit Kekly's Gallery
Thanks: 358
Thanked 287 Times in 125 Posts
Images: 2
Kekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud of
Dog fight..Do I need to worry?

Ginger (2 yr old female) and Sampson (8 month old male) were playing rough like they usually do. But then it got real. I was so scared. I just screamed NO loud and long and ran at them swinging my arms like I was crazy. They have never done this before and I don't know why it happened now. Is little one to assert dominance? Ginger is very laid back and will let the little one take her toys and sticks. We are trying to teach him not to this. I wonder if she gets fed up being pestered all the time. Any ideas on this would be helpful. I was so afraid one would get hurt. FWI Ginger is 70 lbs, Sampson is 80. Thanks guys. ( and gals!)
Kekly is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Nov 2012
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 11-22-2012, 05:03 PM   #2 (permalink)
Banned
 
Posts: 7,462
Location: TX
Dogs Name: Zelda(siberian husky), Optimus Prime(doberman)
Titles: CGC, Certified Therapy Dog
Dogs Age: 7, 4
Gallery Pics: 12
Visit ZeldaRules's Gallery
Thanks: 9,240
Thanked 21,075 Times in 5,362 Posts
Images: 12
ZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond repute
Click here to find out how ZeldaRules became a supporter
One could have accidentally hurt the other and that's what set off the attack(my Dobe really mauls my husky during play and my husky will really lay into him and attack his face if he hurts her. He always backs down to her so it ends as soon as its started and I never have to intervene except when I want him to stop being so rough). Sometimes dogs playing rough get too amped up and it can turn into a fight. You'll notice that one at dog parks usually or with dogs that barely know each other.

You can start controlling how rough they are allowed to get and for how long, that will help. Don't give them a chance to get over-stimulated and fight. The worst thing you can do in a dog fight is shout, yell, and flail your arms around. That can amp them up more. You need to remain calm first and foremost.
ZeldaRules is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Aug 2009
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to ZeldaRules For This Useful Post:
Kekly (11-22-2012), Matt Vandart (11-22-2012), PrairieGirl (11-22-2012), Sam1491 (11-22-2012)
Old 11-22-2012, 05:09 PM   #3 (permalink)
Alpha
 
Kekly's Avatar
 
Posts: 281
Dogs Name: Ginger & Sampson
Dogs Age: 2 1/2 yrs., 8 months
Gallery Pics: 2
Visit Kekly's Gallery
Thanks: 358
Thanked 287 Times in 125 Posts
Images: 2
Kekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud of
Thank you ZR, the last thing I want in my house is fighting dogs. His energy level since is younger is higher than hers and I think sometimes she gets fed up. She is usually able to tell him so but this time he may have hurt her like you said and she was really going to put him in his place. I will watch them when they are playing rough and look for signs it is time for me to end it. I so appreciate all the advice I get here. You all are wonderful. Happy Thanksgiving everyone.
Kekly is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Nov 2012
The Following User Says Thank You to Kekly For This Useful Post:
ZeldaRules (11-22-2012)
Old 11-22-2012, 05:13 PM   #4 (permalink)
Big Dog
 
Sue Strohecker's Avatar
 
Posts: 101
Location: Iron River WI
Dogs Name: Skye
Dogs Age: Birthdate Feb 26 2010
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit Sue Strohecker's Gallery
Thanks: 15
Thanked 174 Times in 55 Posts
Sue Strohecker is a splendid one to beholdSue Strohecker is a splendid one to beholdSue Strohecker is a splendid one to beholdSue Strohecker is a splendid one to beholdSue Strohecker is a splendid one to beholdSue Strohecker is a splendid one to beholdSue Strohecker is a splendid one to behold
I would have gotten between the 2 and not used any verbal voice, letting them know you are the ALPHA. Your voice added fuel to the fire. My experience is the bitch will always try to rule. This will surely happen again, but you need to stay on top of it and not let it esculate. Just my opinion as I have delt with this many times.
Sue Strohecker is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Jun 2012
The Following User Says Thank You to Sue Strohecker For This Useful Post:
Kekly (11-22-2012)
Old 11-22-2012, 05:34 PM   #5 (permalink)
Alpha
 
Kekly's Avatar
 
Posts: 281
Dogs Name: Ginger & Sampson
Dogs Age: 2 1/2 yrs., 8 months
Gallery Pics: 2
Visit Kekly's Gallery
Thanks: 358
Thanked 287 Times in 125 Posts
Images: 2
Kekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud of
I got a male as second dog because I worried about same sex aggression. I guess I was lulled into a false sense of security. I can see where screaming is not a good idea, but this is the first time it has happend and I was scared. Not of the dogs, but of them hurting each other. Thanks for the advice!
Kekly is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Nov 2012
Old 11-22-2012, 05:39 PM   #6 (permalink)
Banned
 
Posts: 918
Location: Tír na nÓg
Dogs Name: Becca, Tilly, Bumpy and LUNA

Gallery Pics: 0
Visit Matt Vandart's Gallery
Thanks: 927
Thanked 682 Times in 353 Posts
Matt Vandart has a reputation beyond reputeMatt Vandart has a reputation beyond reputeMatt Vandart has a reputation beyond reputeMatt Vandart has a reputation beyond reputeMatt Vandart has a reputation beyond reputeMatt Vandart has a reputation beyond reputeMatt Vandart has a reputation beyond reputeMatt Vandart has a reputation beyond reputeMatt Vandart has a reputation beyond reputeMatt Vandart has a reputation beyond reputeMatt Vandart has a reputation beyond repute
How serious is serious?
Serious to us is not necessarily serious to them, was there blood?
Do not get between the two of them once they have started kicking off, remain calm as said above and teach the Pup no.
Matt Vandart is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Jun 2012
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Matt Vandart For This Useful Post:
Kekly (11-22-2012), mmctaq (11-22-2012), monicaei (11-22-2012)
Old 11-22-2012, 05:50 PM   #7 (permalink)
Lil Dog
 
Shelbs's Avatar
 
Posts: 70
Location: Kitchener, Ontario
Dogs Name: Shelby
Dogs Age: June 2012
Gallery Pics: 4
Visit Shelbs's Gallery
Thanks: 50
Thanked 367 Times in 44 Posts
Images: 4
Shelbs has a brilliant futureShelbs has a brilliant futureShelbs has a brilliant futureShelbs has a brilliant futureShelbs has a brilliant futureShelbs has a brilliant futureShelbs has a brilliant futureShelbs has a brilliant futureShelbs has a brilliant futureShelbs has a brilliant futureShelbs has a brilliant future
I have been told that the best way to safely break up a dog fight (safety of both dogs and owners) is to grab your dogs hind legs and walk him/her backwards away from the other dog. They have no power without their back legs and you can easily separate the dogs.
Shelbs is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Sep 2012
The Following User Says Thank You to Shelbs For This Useful Post:
Kekly (11-22-2012)
Old 11-22-2012, 05:59 PM   #8 (permalink)
Alpha
 
Kekly's Avatar
 
Posts: 281
Dogs Name: Ginger & Sampson
Dogs Age: 2 1/2 yrs., 8 months
Gallery Pics: 2
Visit Kekly's Gallery
Thanks: 358
Thanked 287 Times in 125 Posts
Images: 2
Kekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud of
As far as serious, they were going at it, but it was right in front of us so did not have a chance to go very far. No blood, thank goodness but it was a really a fight. I had hoped they would become best friends. The pup is really relentless as far as attention from her and is constantly in her face. I think I will start giving her some time without him from now on. She has run of the house but he can be contained downstairs with our baby gate, with me, to give her some peace and we can play do training.
Kekly is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Nov 2012
Old 11-22-2012, 06:02 PM   #9 (permalink)
Alpha
 
Posts: 1,722
Location: Southern Manitoba
Dogs Name: Murphy
Dogs Age: Born May 11, 2012
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit AlyssaN's Gallery
Thanks: 3,816
Thanked 2,898 Times in 1,103 Posts
AlyssaN has a reputation beyond reputeAlyssaN has a reputation beyond reputeAlyssaN has a reputation beyond reputeAlyssaN has a reputation beyond reputeAlyssaN has a reputation beyond reputeAlyssaN has a reputation beyond reputeAlyssaN has a reputation beyond reputeAlyssaN has a reputation beyond reputeAlyssaN has a reputation beyond reputeAlyssaN has a reputation beyond reputeAlyssaN has a reputation beyond repute
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shelbs View Post
I have been told that the best way to safely break up a dog fight (safety of both dogs and owners) is to grab your dogs hind legs and walk him/her backwards away from the other dog. They have no power without their back legs and you can easily separate the dogs.
What happens if there is no other person to help?

Also, I would never ever walk between two dogs that are fighting. Here is some advice from a website that I found.

Leerburg | How to Break Up a Dog Fight Without Getting Hurt!
AlyssaN is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Jun 2012
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to AlyssaN For This Useful Post:
BenVera (11-22-2012), Kekly (11-22-2012), ZeldaRules (11-22-2012)
Old 11-22-2012, 06:09 PM   #10 (permalink)
ShutUp an Scratch My Butt
 
Sam1491's Avatar
 
Posts: 5,940
Location: MN
Dogs Name: Mabel (dobe)
Titles: -
Dogs Age: 5/01/10
Gallery Pics: 88
Visit Sam1491's Gallery
Thanks: 11,803
Thanked 12,257 Times in 4,324 Posts
Images: 88
Sam1491 has a reputation beyond reputeSam1491 has a reputation beyond reputeSam1491 has a reputation beyond reputeSam1491 has a reputation beyond reputeSam1491 has a reputation beyond reputeSam1491 has a reputation beyond reputeSam1491 has a reputation beyond reputeSam1491 has a reputation beyond reputeSam1491 has a reputation beyond reputeSam1491 has a reputation beyond reputeSam1491 has a reputation beyond repute
Having broken up a rather large amount of dobe on dobe or dobe on collie fights and all by my lonesome, I can understand why you did what you did.

My first fight I panicked and it took FOREVER! to get them apart and I also lost my voice and messed up my thumb joint.

Calm, quiet!! It is a bonus if they have collars but i've been successful in just grabbing both collars(or the attackers in the case that the other dog like my moms collie is not at all fighting back) and having patience, you can't just jump in and grab them though, it's hard to describe but I just know my moment when I can get in there with a much greater chance of redirect on me if one is nipping all over I can tend to get them apart rather fast and hold them that way, I never try to walk anywhere till I have them calmed down more. If they are both or one is holding on tight just stop the movement and get it calm, then i "try" (key word lol) an out/drop it/leave it command in a level stern voice or wait.
Having half the fights between well trained dogs has made it moderately easier, i can usually calm them down and release the attacked into a down/sit stay or tell it to "crate" if there's one near by without an issue while I hold the attacker. Or in my moms collies case, once I have mabel she is off and staying far away for obvious reasons right away.

Ive also been told by my boss and not had it work for me to get objects between them such as a chair but yea I had minimal luck with that and personally don't recommend it.
Like zelda said it sounds like play got to out of hand, I have to make mable take breaks and relax or she too gets far to amped up and rough with hannah and it could escalate!
__________________

The Red Devil Diva & Her Shamelessly Obedient Human
&
Loki: Bearded Dragon and "Devil Minion Extraordinaire"

Last edited by Sam1491; 11-22-2012 at 06:11 PM..
Sam1491 is online now  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Jul 2011
The Following User Says Thank You to Sam1491 For This Useful Post:
Kekly (11-22-2012)
Old 11-22-2012, 06:16 PM   #11 (permalink)
Big Dog
 
Sue Strohecker's Avatar
 
Posts: 101
Location: Iron River WI
Dogs Name: Skye
Dogs Age: Birthdate Feb 26 2010
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit Sue Strohecker's Gallery
Thanks: 15
Thanked 174 Times in 55 Posts
Sue Strohecker is a splendid one to beholdSue Strohecker is a splendid one to beholdSue Strohecker is a splendid one to beholdSue Strohecker is a splendid one to beholdSue Strohecker is a splendid one to beholdSue Strohecker is a splendid one to beholdSue Strohecker is a splendid one to behold
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shelbs View Post
I have been told that the best way to safely break up a dog fight (safety of both dogs and owners) is to grab your dogs hind legs and walk him/her backwards away from the other dog. They have no power without their back legs and you can easily separate the dogs.
I have to laugh at that as someone told me to break up a dog fight was to put your finger up their butt hole, ya right. Best way to break off a fight is to but your hands on the dog and choke them til they release(if you can)) I experienced this one day when 3 of my kids were chewing on bones in the yard, something caught their attention, they ran to the fence, came back and some got someone's elses bone and was pissed. Stupid me tried this butthole thing, no didn't work. So stupid me tried to pry the mouth off one dog, got a big rip in my finger, went to ER, came home and the other dog didn't even have a scratch on her neck.
That was years ago

Last edited by Sue Strohecker; 11-22-2012 at 06:31 PM..
Sue Strohecker is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Jun 2012
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Sue Strohecker For This Useful Post:
Kekly (11-22-2012), SamK (11-23-2012)
Old 11-22-2012, 06:16 PM   #12 (permalink)
Terriorist tamer
 
the_discowhore's Avatar
 
Posts: 6,808
Location: Middle Earth

Gallery Pics: 6
Visit the_discowhore's Gallery
Thanks: 13,810
Thanked 16,490 Times in 4,906 Posts
Images: 6
the_discowhore has a reputation beyond reputethe_discowhore has a reputation beyond reputethe_discowhore has a reputation beyond reputethe_discowhore has a reputation beyond reputethe_discowhore has a reputation beyond reputethe_discowhore has a reputation beyond reputethe_discowhore has a reputation beyond reputethe_discowhore has a reputation beyond reputethe_discowhore has a reputation beyond reputethe_discowhore has a reputation beyond reputethe_discowhore has a reputation beyond repute
It happens like Zelda said it's possible one just got hurt and retaliated. Try and avoid letting them escalate to that point, put a stop to rough play before it turns nasty, and don't let your pup hassle your girl, let him know it's not appropriate and stop him from doing it. A lot of adult dogs are quite tolerant of puppy antics, but he is getting older now and your girl won't put up with silly puppy shenanigans for much longer.
__________________

Do it or Elsie CDX UDX AD JD RA
Elsie - Jack Russell x Border Collie
the_discowhore is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Aug 2009
The Following User Says Thank You to the_discowhore For This Useful Post:
Kekly (11-22-2012)
Old 11-22-2012, 06:21 PM   #13 (permalink)
Alpha
 
Kekly's Avatar
 
Posts: 281
Dogs Name: Ginger & Sampson
Dogs Age: 2 1/2 yrs., 8 months
Gallery Pics: 2
Visit Kekly's Gallery
Thanks: 358
Thanked 287 Times in 125 Posts
Images: 2
Kekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud of
Thank you. Since this happened I have just been so upset over it. I have never had two dogs that fought ever. So this is all new to me. I just remembered my mom had 4 yorkies and 2 german shepards. When someone would come over, or walk down the street, or a leaf blew..the Yorkies would get all worked up and bark constantly in a frenzy, the female of the german sherpards eventually killed 2 of the yorkies in a bark fest. Reason? The yorkies would bark, getting the shepards involved in the barking then, 2 of the yorkies in a frenzy would bite the female shepard. She reacted and because her size, killed 2 in two minutes time. I had totally forgotten about this as it was years ago, but the shepards and yorkies were never allowed together again. The shepard wasn't bad. She picked em up and shook them to tell them to stop, but they were too little and she was too rough. Sad situatioin all around.
Kekly is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Nov 2012
The Following User Says Thank You to Kekly For This Useful Post:
Dobemama33 (11-23-2012)
Old 11-22-2012, 06:35 PM   #14 (permalink)
Banned
 
Posts: 7,462
Location: TX
Dogs Name: Zelda(siberian husky), Optimus Prime(doberman)
Titles: CGC, Certified Therapy Dog
Dogs Age: 7, 4
Gallery Pics: 12
Visit ZeldaRules's Gallery
Thanks: 9,240
Thanked 21,075 Times in 5,362 Posts
Images: 12
ZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond repute
Click here to find out how ZeldaRules became a supporter
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt Vandart View Post
teach the Pup no.
When dogs are fighting, an obedience command is not likely going to work. Have you ever called two fighting dogs off by saying "no"? If they are serious about going at each other, their adrenaline and aggression is going to override anything coming out of your mouth. This is why I remain silent and go through the different steps to break them up.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shelbs View Post
I have been told that the best way to safely break up a dog fight (safety of both dogs and owners) is to grab your dogs hind legs and walk him/her backwards away from the other dog. They have no power without their back legs and you can easily separate the dogs.
A useful method but it doesn't work for every dog. If one dog has a bite and hold on the other, you're going to do a lot more damage to the victim dog by trying to pick up the attacking dog's legs and pull back. You're just going to force the attacker to tear into the other dog's flesh. If you are by yourself and try that and actually do end up getting the dogs apart, the other dog will usually still be in the zone and go after the dog in your hands.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kekly View Post
As far as serious, they were going at it, but it was right in front of us so did not have a chance to go very far. No blood, thank goodness but it was a really a fight. I had hoped they would become best friends. The pup is really relentless as far as attention from her and is constantly in her face. I think I will start giving her some time without him from now on. She has run of the house but he can be contained downstairs with our baby gate, with me, to give her some peace and we can play do training.
They are dogs first and pets second. Never put 100% trust in them to not act like dogs. My 3 get along great yet I still separate them when I cannot be home to supervise. I've fostered enough dogs and owned multiple dogs enough to know that's a big mistake. The people I live with at the moment put way too much trust into their dogs. They have a pack of 5. Two are fosters. Their son moved back in a month ago with his poodle. They left the dogs alone together. The poodle was literally ripped to shreds. It died at the vet.

Last edited by ZeldaRules; 11-22-2012 at 06:39 PM..
ZeldaRules is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Aug 2009
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to ZeldaRules For This Useful Post:
Kekly (11-22-2012), River (11-24-2012)
Old 11-22-2012, 06:36 PM   #15 (permalink)
u mad?
 
PatchworkRobot's Avatar
 
Posts: 6,358
Location: Texas
Dogs Name: Rhapsody's Mystery of the Spanish Chest - "Dreizehn", Gaia's Bijort - "Ruthless"
Titles: UKC CH for Dreizehn, CGC for both, CA for both
Dogs Age: Born December 2010, July 2011
Gallery Pics: 5
Visit PatchworkRobot's Gallery
Thanks: 4,678
Thanked 15,707 Times in 4,540 Posts
Images: 5
PatchworkRobot has a reputation beyond reputePatchworkRobot has a reputation beyond reputePatchworkRobot has a reputation beyond reputePatchworkRobot has a reputation beyond reputePatchworkRobot has a reputation beyond reputePatchworkRobot has a reputation beyond reputePatchworkRobot has a reputation beyond reputePatchworkRobot has a reputation beyond reputePatchworkRobot has a reputation beyond reputePatchworkRobot has a reputation beyond reputePatchworkRobot has a reputation beyond repute
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sue Strohecker View Post
I have to laugh at that as someone told me to break up a dog fight was to put your finger up their butt hole, ya right. Best way to break off a fight is to but your hands on the dog and choke them til they release(if you can)) I experienced this one day when 3 of my kids were chewing on bones in the yard, something caught their attention, they ran to the fence, came back and some got someone's elses bone and was pissed. Stupid me tried this butthole thing, no didn't work. So stupid me tried to pry the mouth off one dog, got a big rip in my finger, went to ER, came home and the other dog didn't even have a scratch on her neck.
That was years ago
In my time working with dogs (doggy daycare, mostly) this is not a technique that I have ever been told to use.

I also would not suggest ever putting oneself right in the middle of two fighting dogs. It doesn't matter how loyal a dog is - a fighting dog will care nothing for you (general you) during a fight and doing something like that (putting yourself in the middle) is asking for hurt.
__________________


No dog is at fault for being born into this world.
PatchworkRobot is online now  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Jan 2011
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to PatchworkRobot For This Useful Post:
Kekly (11-22-2012), River (11-24-2012)
Old 11-22-2012, 06:38 PM   #16 (permalink)
Got mutt?
 
Rosemary's Avatar
 
Posts: 8,003
Location: Southeast Texas
Dogs Name: Ilka (Mutt), and Leo (GSD)
Titles: Ilka-BN RE CA CGC; Leo-UKC CA
Dogs Age: Ilka 4; Leo 2; Lucky 2000-2014
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit Rosemary's Gallery
Thanks: 23,976
Thanked 17,352 Times in 6,060 Posts
Rosemary has a reputation beyond reputeRosemary has a reputation beyond reputeRosemary has a reputation beyond reputeRosemary has a reputation beyond reputeRosemary has a reputation beyond reputeRosemary has a reputation beyond reputeRosemary has a reputation beyond reputeRosemary has a reputation beyond reputeRosemary has a reputation beyond reputeRosemary has a reputation beyond reputeRosemary has a reputation beyond repute
I had a three way dog fight just this morning, and it's resulted in a new rule at my house. I have no idea what happened, or what started it, but from now on, Lucky, my Rattie, is never to be outside with both girls without supervision. I had to pull my 50 pound GSD off my 22 pound Rattie. Thank doG, he wasn't badly hurt, but it could have been serious.

It's entirely possible that it started out as Leo, the GSD, bugging Lucky. Normally, He's just pin her, and that would be it. Maybe today, she felt like fighting back. Maybe she and Ilka started it, and Lucky just got caught in the middle. Who knows. Hence, the new rule.
__________________

CA Speed Queen Leontine Von Washateria
Ilka Of Pear Orchard Cemetery BN RE CA CGC
Lucky Rat Dog CGC ~2000-2014~ Requiescat In Pace
Rosemary is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Jan 2012
The Following User Says Thank You to Rosemary For This Useful Post:
Kekly (11-22-2012)
Old 11-22-2012, 06:44 PM   #17 (permalink)
Alpha
 
Kekly's Avatar
 
Posts: 281
Dogs Name: Ginger & Sampson
Dogs Age: 2 1/2 yrs., 8 months
Gallery Pics: 2
Visit Kekly's Gallery
Thanks: 358
Thanked 287 Times in 125 Posts
Images: 2
Kekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud of
Feel like a dork, but you guys use a lot of Acronyms in your posts. I have seen GSD a lot. What is that? German Shepard Dog? lol sorry, still new. Please don't laugh at me!
Kekly is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Nov 2012
Old 11-22-2012, 06:46 PM   #18 (permalink)
Alpha
 
odiakkoh's Avatar
 
Posts: 844
Location: Hiroshima, Japan

Gallery Pics: 0
Visit odiakkoh's Gallery
Thanks: 1,638
Thanked 1,341 Times in 542 Posts
odiakkoh has a reputation beyond reputeodiakkoh has a reputation beyond reputeodiakkoh has a reputation beyond reputeodiakkoh has a reputation beyond reputeodiakkoh has a reputation beyond reputeodiakkoh has a reputation beyond reputeodiakkoh has a reputation beyond reputeodiakkoh has a reputation beyond reputeodiakkoh has a reputation beyond reputeodiakkoh has a reputation beyond reputeodiakkoh has a reputation beyond repute
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kekly View Post
Feel like a dork, but you guys use a lot of Acronyms in your posts. I have seen GSD a lot. What is that? German Shepard Dog? lol sorry, still new. Please don't laugh at me!
Yup German Shepherd Dog


Sent from my iPhone using Petguide.com Free App
odiakkoh is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Aug 2011
Old 11-22-2012, 06:48 PM   #19 (permalink)
Banned
 
Posts: 7,462
Location: TX
Dogs Name: Zelda(siberian husky), Optimus Prime(doberman)
Titles: CGC, Certified Therapy Dog
Dogs Age: 7, 4
Gallery Pics: 12
Visit ZeldaRules's Gallery
Thanks: 9,240
Thanked 21,075 Times in 5,362 Posts
Images: 12
ZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond repute
Click here to find out how ZeldaRules became a supporter
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kekly View Post
Feel like a dork, but you guys use a lot of Acronyms in your posts. I have seen GSD a lot. What is that? German Shepard Dog? lol sorry, still new. Please don't laugh at me!
GSD = German Shepherd Dog. That's the full breed name in American.
ZeldaRules is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Aug 2009
The Following User Says Thank You to ZeldaRules For This Useful Post:
Kekly (11-22-2012)
Old 11-22-2012, 06:49 PM   #20 (permalink)
Alpha
 
Kekly's Avatar
 
Posts: 281
Dogs Name: Ginger & Sampson
Dogs Age: 2 1/2 yrs., 8 months
Gallery Pics: 2
Visit Kekly's Gallery
Thanks: 358
Thanked 287 Times in 125 Posts
Images: 2
Kekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud ofKekly has much to be proud of
Yay, not as dumb as I thought! lol
Kekly is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Nov 2012
Old 11-23-2012, 05:31 AM   #21 (permalink)
Banned
 
Posts: 918
Location: Tír na nÓg
Dogs Name: Becca, Tilly, Bumpy and LUNA

Gallery Pics: 0
Visit Matt Vandart's Gallery
Thanks: 927
Thanked 682 Times in 353 Posts
Matt Vandart has a reputation beyond reputeMatt Vandart has a reputation beyond reputeMatt Vandart has a reputation beyond reputeMatt Vandart has a reputation beyond reputeMatt Vandart has a reputation beyond reputeMatt Vandart has a reputation beyond reputeMatt Vandart has a reputation beyond reputeMatt Vandart has a reputation beyond reputeMatt Vandart has a reputation beyond reputeMatt Vandart has a reputation beyond reputeMatt Vandart has a reputation beyond repute
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZeldaRules View Post
When dogs are fighting, an obedience command is not likely going to work. Have you ever called two fighting dogs off by saying "no"? If they are serious about going at each other, their adrenaline and aggression is going to override anything coming out of your mouth. This is why I remain silent and go through the different steps to break them up.
The 'no' is to teach the puppy not to bug the older dog and stop it escalating

And yes actually, when Bob tried in all seriousness to Kill bumpy, it was a response to 'No' or 'leave it' I can't remember which combined with pressure on his collar that made him let go.
When I was just pulling the collar he just would not let go, admittedly he could have just come out of the zone and lost his drive to kill her, but I am pretty sure now that was not the case and I am certainly sure that getting a 32kg EBT from fighting genetics to let go when he has decided it's time to go postal without a break stick is pretty much impossible by force alone especially one with Bobs temperament and size of head.
He let go at the exact moment I said it. It COULD have been coincidence but I don't thinks so myself.
Got lucky and it was timed with a re-bite? Not likely, EBT's don't generally re-bite and Bob was definitely not a re-biter he was a grab,hold and shake dog.
He didn't know the meaning of sit, down, heel or anything else really but he did know the meaning of 'no' or 'leave it' I'm pretty sure that dog would have been put down long ago otherwise.
He always responded quickly to 'no' before and after that event.
Scum bag Dog fighting people regularly break up REAL fights without choking the dog off, or any excessive force.
Pre-trained Obedience is the key to preventing and stopping a real fight.
Your dog should know that YOU decide when it is time to be aggresive and when it is not.
Normally and as in this case I would do like you did and keep it quiet and calm, unfortunately my OH and the next door neighbour had already wound him up to hell before I could get to him.
As you well know I have broken up many EBT/BT fights in my life but this was on another level where he flipped straight through fight/defence and into Prey without passing go, and it worked.

I also regularly break up more minor fights between the dobermans with this or the 'enough' command which they know full well is me getting properly serious, and have done with my EBT's for years
Which is why I asked if it was a proper fight.
No blood, chances are not a proper fight.
A dog can kill another dog in less time than it takes you to think 'oh ****' if it had been a doberman rather than another EBT Bob would have killed her before I could do anything.

Leaving fighting to one side, Bite sport people regularly get fast and obedient 'out' commands when the dog is peaking in Prey drive (the strongest drive) and even sometimes use fight (defence) drive with which they get the same 'out' response.

PP trainers train in fight drive and also get effective and efficient 'out' responses when the dog is peaking. I'm not sure about bitesports but in PP out means 'Cease all 'aggressive' activity.

This is achieved through OBEDIENCE you can equally train a normal dog to cease conflict by training 'No' 'Enough' or 'leave it' which brings me in full circle to :

The 'no' is to teach the puppy not to bug the older dog and stop it escalating

So short answer yes I have called dogs off by using 'No' 'Enough' and 'Leave it'

Quote:
A useful method but it doesn't work for every dog. If one dog has a bite and hold on the other, you're going to do a lot more damage to the victim dog by trying to pick up the attacking dog's legs and pull back. You're just going to force the attacker to tear into the other dog's flesh. If you are by yourself and try that and actually do end up getting the dogs apart, the other dog will usually still be in the zone and go after the dog in your hands.
Which is why you attach a leash to the other dog and tie it to something solidly anchored to the ground or very heavy.


I don't doubt your skills,knowledge and experience at all Zelda but there are people out there that do and know things and have experience you don't, I don't mean this in a condescending way but rather in a think before you post or attempt to de-bunk kind of way really.

A well trained 'No' 'Leave it' and 'Enough' is a very valuable command in a multi dog household in reference to conflict, your response could have put the OP off doing so.

I also hammer 'Be still' into my dogs from a very early age which means literally 'Be still' or freeze in motion. I have prevented loads of fights and stopped minor skirmishes with this command alone.
Matt Vandart is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Jun 2012
The Following User Says Thank You to Matt Vandart For This Useful Post:
4Dobes (11-23-2012)
Old 11-23-2012, 06:19 AM   #22 (permalink)
Alpha
 
Amelia_'s Avatar
 
Posts: 2,881
Dogs Name: Aspen, Rupert & Tobey

Gallery Pics: 17
Visit Amelia_'s Gallery
Thanks: 6,292
Thanked 6,843 Times in 2,014 Posts
Images: 17
Amelia_ has a reputation beyond reputeAmelia_ has a reputation beyond reputeAmelia_ has a reputation beyond reputeAmelia_ has a reputation beyond reputeAmelia_ has a reputation beyond reputeAmelia_ has a reputation beyond reputeAmelia_ has a reputation beyond reputeAmelia_ has a reputation beyond reputeAmelia_ has a reputation beyond reputeAmelia_ has a reputation beyond reputeAmelia_ has a reputation beyond repute
I dont think there is really one method which works for all dog fights, different methods are useful for different fights in different situations. Ive split up a few fights in the past ands` have used the grabbing the back legs method before and its worked really well when it was one dog who was the aggressor, other times I havnt been able to get in a good position to be able to grab legs and have had to try something else. I think the main thing is to be calm (harder than it sounds) and familiarise yourself with the different techniques (twisting the collars, pulling the back legs, using an object to break them up) I always have a can of compressed air in the house and the hose ready in the garden as a precautionary tool, which I doubt either would break up a fight in full flow but can help before it escalates too much.

I agree with others than the best way is to stop it escalating before its uncontrollable. Keep an eye out for body language, dont let rough play escalate, dont tempt fake (eg highly desirable items together which might cause resource guarding)
__________________


Amelia_ is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Oct 2011
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Amelia_ For This Useful Post:
Matt Vandart (11-23-2012), Sam1491 (11-23-2012)
Old 11-23-2012, 06:57 AM   #23 (permalink)
Alpha
 
Posts: 205

Gallery Pics: 0
Visit 4Dobes's Gallery
Thanks: 412
Thanked 475 Times in 139 Posts
4Dobes has a reputation beyond repute4Dobes has a reputation beyond repute4Dobes has a reputation beyond repute4Dobes has a reputation beyond repute4Dobes has a reputation beyond repute4Dobes has a reputation beyond repute4Dobes has a reputation beyond repute4Dobes has a reputation beyond repute4Dobes has a reputation beyond repute4Dobes has a reputation beyond repute4Dobes has a reputation beyond repute
I agree with Matt I teach the word LEAVE IT which I exercise during play fighting.
I have four Dobes (3 rescued) I also run a pet service business, I home board up to 10 dogs and walk out 10 dogs at a time inc mine. I teach all the dogs in my care the word and trust me they all know when I mean business.
Once I've used the word I won't allow play for any least 10 minutes for any dog. They are all made to walk behind me until all are calm. Once I sense they have relaxed I use the word OK which is said is friendly upbeat tone and they all go off in a calm manner sniffing the ground etc.
if any dog disobeys the LEAVE IT they get put on the lead and aren't allowed play for the rest of the walk. This works for me.
It really is important to establish key words when dealing with more than one dog.
I also carry a rape alarm which I intend to use should a fight break out, plus at home I wouldn't hesitate to use a fire extinguisher, the noise would hopefully be enough for them to refocus on me.



Sent from my iPhone using Petguide.com Free App
4Dobes is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Nov 2012
The Following User Says Thank You to 4Dobes For This Useful Post:
Matt Vandart (11-23-2012)
Old 11-23-2012, 08:15 AM   #24 (permalink)
Alpha
 
Whiskey's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,747
Location: Trancendental plane of awesome.
Dogs Name: Whiskey
Dogs Age: D.O.B. July 1, 2011
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit Whiskey's Gallery
Thanks: 3,430
Thanked 3,965 Times in 1,247 Posts
Whiskey has a reputation beyond reputeWhiskey has a reputation beyond reputeWhiskey has a reputation beyond reputeWhiskey has a reputation beyond reputeWhiskey has a reputation beyond reputeWhiskey has a reputation beyond reputeWhiskey has a reputation beyond reputeWhiskey has a reputation beyond reputeWhiskey has a reputation beyond reputeWhiskey has a reputation beyond reputeWhiskey has a reputation beyond repute
Click here to find out how Whiskey became a supporter
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sue Strohecker View Post
I would have gotten between the 2 and not used any verbal voice, letting them know you are the ALPHA. Your voice added fuel to the fire. My experience is the bitch will always try to rule. This will surely happen again, but you need to stay on top of it and not let it esculate. Just my opinion as I have delt with this many times.

I'm sorry.. I'm sure you mean well but this is the worst possible advice you can ever give someone as far as breaking up a dog fight is concerned. OP do NOT ever get between fighting dogs, even ones you know, unless you want to get hurt yourself.
Whiskey is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Aug 2011
Old 11-23-2012, 08:58 AM   #25 (permalink)
Alpha
 
Toby'shuman's Avatar
 
Posts: 4,862
Location: Spain
Dogs Name: Toby the Dobe, Russell the Andalucian Terrier, Reina the Pointador. Sasha & Jack at the Bridge
Titles: Yep, loads, but none printable. lol
Dogs Age: 7th Nov 2010 -
Gallery Pics: 24
Visit Toby'shuman's Gallery
Thanks: 13,415
Thanked 10,966 Times in 3,641 Posts
Images: 24
Toby'shuman has a reputation beyond reputeToby'shuman has a reputation beyond reputeToby'shuman has a reputation beyond reputeToby'shuman has a reputation beyond reputeToby'shuman has a reputation beyond reputeToby'shuman has a reputation beyond reputeToby'shuman has a reputation beyond reputeToby'shuman has a reputation beyond reputeToby'shuman has a reputation beyond reputeToby'shuman has a reputation beyond reputeToby'shuman has a reputation beyond repute
As has been said, I think they got ramped up during their playfight and one overstepped the mark, maybe bit a little too hard and bham, dog fight in progress.

Your reaction is to be understood, but again as has been said, calm truly is the watchword, not easy I grant you, heck if it were that easy breaking up a dog fight, folks like Leerburg wouldnt have made a video on it.

I had a Mastif and Boxer go at it once, it was a proper fight, erupting out of nowhere, full on, 'I am going to rip your face off and batter you to death with it' fight.
It took me nigh on 20 minutes to break it up.
There was blood everywhere.
In the end they only stopped because they were close to collapsing through exhaustion. Honestly I tried everything. Commanding them to 'leave it,' pulling them back by their collars, throwing water in their faces, punching, slapping, kicking, breaking a piece of 2x2 over their heads to knock them out. (not big or clever any of that, but they were killing each other and I was on my own and desperate, the Leerburg thing doesnt in my opinion work with fighting dogs intent on murdering each other).
Nothing worked.
Luckily my son arrived home just as they started up again and was able to help me seperate them completely.

My advice would be to keep a close eye on their playfighting. You can usually see when it is getting a little too heated at which point it is vital you call a halt to it.

Good luck.
Toby'shuman is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Oct 2011
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Toby'shuman For This Useful Post:
Kekly (11-23-2012), Matt Vandart (11-23-2012)
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:12 PM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0 Beta 2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.2 ©2009, Crawlability, Inc.
@2005 - 2008 DobermanTalk.com
PetGuide.com
Basset.net DobermanTalk.com GoldenRetrieverForum.com OurBeagleWorld.com
BoxerForums.com DogForums.com GoPitbull.com PoodleForum.com
BulldogBreeds.com FishForums.com HavaneseForum.com SpoiledMaltese.com
CatForum.com GermanShepherds.com Labradoodle-dogs.net YorkieForum.com
Chihuahua-People.com RetrieverBreeds.com