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4 weeks and 6 weeks?! What happens to them isn't his problem after they're sold? Poor puppies Please, please call Animal Control about this guy.

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Oh 1 more question. I probably should have did more research before getting these two.

Now the fawn guy has blue eyes as of now. The breeder said he may or may not keep those blue eyes. They might turn green or grey.

What is everyone elses experiance with that?
No fawn Doberman should have anything except brown eyes as an adult. They will not remain blue. Puppies who are very young (just like young human babies) have blue eyes. That color will change as the puppy grows up--it may go through a period of time when they look greenish or greyish green but as an adult they should be at least the same color as their markings--rust brown or darker. Unfortunately I've seen far too many fawns who end up with yellow eyes which is incorrect and which I find unattractive.

My fawn male has eyes that are much darker than his markings--close to his coat color.

For the record--the color that we, in North America, call red is genetically brown. Most of Europe and Asia refer to that color as brown. There is a very dark brown (that I haven't seen in years) that used to show up from time to time but it was so unattractive at least one long time Dobe breeder/judge thought that it had actually been lost as a variation of the color red, I happen to agree with her. The coat of those dogs was the color of a Hershey bar and very coarse and hard and usually a bit wavy. These dogs also inevitably had yellow eyes.

But the red Dobeman will show up in all shades from bright copper to very dark red mahogany--all are correct.
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This is the little girl im thinking of naming Ruby.

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This is the boy im still thinking of names

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No fawn Doberman should have anything except brown eyes as an adult. They will not remain blue. Puppies who are very young (just like young human babies) have blue eyes. That color will change as the puppy grows up--it may go through a period of time when they look greenish or greyish green but as an adult they should be at least the same color as their markings--rust brown or darker. Unfortunately I've seen far too many fawns who end up with yellow eyes which is incorrect and which I find unattractive. brown. .
Um, both of my fawns have eyes that would not be considered "brown". Leos may be close to the same depth of color as his markings. Macs are not. I find them both to be quite attractive dogs.

Have you read this thread, in whole? Nit picking about coat and eye shading ISN'T the biggest problem, IMO. Not. Even. Close.
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My Odin is fawn, and his eyes are totally not brown. They are much close to a yellow colour. He is 2 years old.

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OMG I hope this whole thread is a joke.


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Poor pups... I hope Animal Control is able to find and deal with the situation at the breeder's.

You have your work cut out for you in raising these two. Besides all of the health and possible temperament issues you may be potentially facing with them, raising two of the same (general) age is a real task. There's "littermate syndrome" to think about besides the rest of the above.

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This thread is infuriating and heartbreaking for so many reasons, least of all coat colors and names.

I hate hate hate these stories. Please get AC on his ass now!
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I will say this. Since he supposidly lives in the country AC wont bother with it. But ill try maybe there county is different. I know my county i called AC about a dog with a chain wrapped around his neck hanging the dog with his front paws not even able to touch the ground. I called they told me they cant do anything if there out of the city limits. So i went back and untangled the dog. That is no joke. To many strays and unwanted animals around here so no one really cares.
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If AC can't do anything, maybe the sherrif's department can. I know our rural counties usually have a livestock officer that handles animal calls in the country, outside the incorperated areas.


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I feel sick about this entire situation. There is a difference of people being apathetic and "not caring" but it is something altogether different when you support this type of behavior with $$$. By giving this "nice man" with what you call "not so great" breeding practices money, you are implicit in this behavior. Sorry I cannot help out with names or color questions, I think I have to go throw up. Poor poor mama dogs.
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This is one of the saddest posts I have read in a while. POOR BABIES!

Both of them look rather sickly too... have you gotten them to a vet and a person who knows how to foster puppies at that age??? It is NOTHING like raising a puppy who is old enough to be away from it's parents. Please give the name of the person you bough from so no other person comes on here searching in hopes to buy from this IDIOT, and thinks it is a good idea.

I cannot get over what a horrible situation this is.
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Black/Rust Red/Rust Sometimes people call the Rust Tan.
In Europe they call the Red Brown. Also the Rust they will call it Dark Mahogany.
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He is actually only 4 weeks old. Being bottle fed atm. No it wasnt a reputable breeder.
Why did you give this person money?

You say you care about animals and are soft-hearted...do you not care about the Mama dogs? Or is it just out-of-sight, out-of-mind?

Please name this person, in public. You have no reason not to.

How could you feel a lick of loyalty to someone so sick and abusive?

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I feel sick about this entire situation. There is a difference of people being apathetic and "not caring" but it is something altogether different when you support this type of behavior with $$$. By giving this "nice man" with what you call "not so great" breeding practices money, you are implicit in this behavior. Sorry I cannot help out with names or color questions, I think I have to go throw up. Poor poor mama dogs.
The "thanks" button was not nearly sufficient.

Kindafugly, those poor pups look terrible. Please get them in to see a vet, ASAP. Ask to go in the "wellness" entrance, if they have one; if not, wait in the car outside, and do not let them touch the floor while you're in the office.

Please don't mess around with OTC wormers and trying to do things yourself. Their lives are so precarious at this age, and from such a rough start.

Vibes for those left behind in that hell-hole.

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Kindafugly... You SHOULD let people publicly know who the breeder so anyone searching these threads will have a heads up.
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I rather not post names publicly because i dont want a slander suite. Because of the fact i did not see any of the conditions in where they are kepted or what conditions there dogs are in. All i know is what he told me in person and via phone. I will glady give names in PM.

No these puppies are NOT in perfect health. I can tell that already. I didnt mess with over the counter dewormers. They are underweight. I cant do anything with the vets until tomarrow. Which the 6 week old puppy probably will get her first vaccination and fecal and etc... The male is to young to start vaccinations although i do know a local vet that does do them at 4 weeks which that is crazy IMO.
The female was pooping hay last nite obviously from eating it. Shes lucky she didnt have some sort of blockage.

Im sorry that everyone feels i did the wrong thing by taking these two puppies out of that situation. I dont think what i paid lined his pockets with gold. The price i talked him down to for both puppies to me wouldnt even be worth breeding.

I have successfully bottle and tube fed puppies for a rescue YEARS ago and even tube fed puppies for my own vet. So as far as care i am able to take care of them without no problems. The only difference being is i do not know about the specific training and socialization a dobie would need vs a mixed breed. Ive read about bite inhib. Also many other training and raising puppies and socialization and etc..

Before i knew what kind of breeder he was i was only getting the female. I didnt have intentions on two. Once the male is old enough and healthy and etc i may seek a home for him or even work with a rescue on placement. I might just end up keeping both if i feel i can handle two energetic dobies as once. Its to soon yet to really think about the future other then getting these babies of age starting training and getting them healthy.
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No fear of a slander suit (also, it's libel not slander) for simply saying X sold me a 4 week old puppy.

Or allow someone else (ahem, i volunteer) to simply post the name in the breeder section asking if anyone knows the guy. Might get some info on your dogs as well.
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I rather not post names publicly because i dont want a slander suite. Because of the fact i did not see any of the conditions in where they are kepted or what conditions there dogs are in. All i know is what he told me in person and via phone. I will glady give names in PM.
I have sent you a PM. Please honor your statement in bold and highlighted in red. Thank you.
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She already has.

I think shes just scared and in over her head.
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Well?

Someone needs to speak out.

When is that going to happen, and where?

Selling pups this young is illegal and cruel, period.

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Is there a designated or more appropriate place on DT to post his name and location? Is any additional information necessary?
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