kindafugly

There is more to the story just rather not post it publicly. Id be happy to discuss it in a private message. But rather just keep it off the forms. Im just here to learn more about the breed and also make sure there isnt something im missing since i never raised dobies puppies before. Since obviously i dont know it all. all breeds are different.

monicaei

Are both puppies 4 weeks? Are they both males?

AlyssaN

Like, elephant thick...

I'm really curious as to what drew you to that breeder in particular. H

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kindafugly

No, one female one male. 4 & 6 weeks

monicaei

Same breeder?

kindafugly

Yes same breeder

monicaei

Do you know the pedigree/lines?

kindafugly

No, I got there registration papers but i doubt even ordering a pedigree will come back as much. Ill get more photos and post later. The lil guy is the only one i had a pic of cause he was passed out by me after feeding.

monicaei

Reg papers should have sire/dam. If you are will to post that someone may be able to tell you a little more about their lineage. Probably not, but a long shot is better than no shot.

kindafugly

Everyones gunna kill me by the time im done. But there CKC which means they probably dont have any traceable lineage. Probably unregistered parents that got CKC slapped on.

Trying to get on a brighter note. I need naming ideas for them. I dont have a clue what to name them.

monicaei

Yeah, probably. Mostly for providing money to keep the parents of those puppies in what is likely a very bad situation. There are quite a few rescue people on here, and this situation certainly offends ALOT of us. But what's done is done. I'd rip on you for it, but I'd rather know...

Who is the breeder?

Names... Hmmm, let me think on it. I like short (single syllable) nicknames / call names for training purposes. That's just me, thou. I have a Leo and a Mac

ZeldaRules

Yes, I am very glad you found us.

First tip...puppies should ideally go to their new homes around 10 weeks of age. The old school and outdated thought was 6 weeks but they still haven't had enough time to learn important behaviors from their mom and siblings at that point. It is even illegal in some states for a greeder to sell a puppy at 6 weeks and less.

Before I knew any better, an ex of mine bought a GSD puppy when we were living together. We went to the BYB's house and they had the mom and dad(typical of bad breeders..throwing dogs they have together out of convenience), we weren't allowed to see the dad because he was aggressive, but they really tried to sell us by saying their dogs are bought by police officers and are good working dogs, etc etc. I thought that meant they were good quality and smart. So they sold one to my ex at 4 weeks. We got lucky, he was an easy puppy, maybe because my husky put him in line ;p You've got a bigger situation though with litter mates that are both too young with who knows what is lurking in their genetic history. Best of luck and I hope everything works out ok.

kindafugly

Names have always been hard for me. I like cute names with short cute nicknames also. I appreciate everyone trying to be understanding to the situation.

kindafugly

I believe in my state its 6 weeks for non breeder and 8 weeks for breeders. I think thats every state now. I dont think you can sell a puppy legally under 6 weeks.

I dont think police buy 4 week old GSD for work purposes. People will say anything these days it seems like.

monicaei

You bought a 4 week old KNOWING it was illegal?

ZeldaRules

Sid and Nancy
Bonnie and Clyde
Tarzan and Jane
Anna and King
Fred and Wilma

ZeldaRules

Oh my...I hope he realized this after the fact...

Hilary

OP, you are dangerously close to a hornet's nest here. You have a history with dogs enough to know how to bottle feed, you are aware the state law prohibits selling of puppies under the age of 6 weeks, you knew the "breeder" was crap, and still you purchased 2 underage puppies at a gas station?

WHAT THE HELL????

I'm sure by your cryptic message there is more to this story - but you need to know where you are - this is a passionate board and in order for those experienced here to really help you we have to have a better idea of what is happening.

I hope you stay and learn, you will need all the help you can get and there is no better place than DT to get that help - but again, please enlighten us on how you found yourself in this situation?

kindafugly

Ok,

I was talking to another board member in private message about the situation.
Basicly i wanted a dobie and was searching and ran acrossed the breeder. They told me everything basicly you want to hear. I probably rushed into the situation and sent off a deposit without seeing the puppy or the parents or even pictures. That was my fault. I rushed the situation.

I called to check how the pup was doing and got a whole other story. He had 3 other litters on the ground more on the way. He told me he has sold puppies at 2 weeks and he isnt responsible for what happens to them after the sale. He had other litters on the way. Turns out they live in a barn out in the cold and never were handled from birth. He said he had only the male left he sold the rest. He wouldnt allow me to come to his house he insisted on meeting at a gas station. he gave away to his friend a black and rust dobie he said cause she chased his horses. But his friend is going to give him 1/2 of every litter back out of her. He also told me that i could BREED these two together it dont matter they share the same father.
he told me he got them out of the barn and tried to clean them up and get the fleas off them and etc... So basicly i rushed into the situation with wanting a dobie and then after all was said and done i found out what kind of breeder they were. So i bought the male as well to give him a better life. I didnt pay much for them. I understand buying them doesnt stop the issue it only makes it go on but in my mind i did what was right for these two.

ZeldaRules

The right thing to would have been to call Animal Control.

kindafugly

Like he was almost bragging about the whole thing. Makes me wonder if these two are inbred as well. He said next litters he was charging more. I drove 6 hours round trip. He was really nice just his breeding practices were not great. Also he said how his females in hit killed one of the females from fighting that it happens when you get a bunch of females in heat.

So i feel atleast these two are insured a good life now. Im sure he told me more that i just cant remember atm ive been up since 5am.

kindafugly

HEAT* typo

The girl just pooped and pooped out hay.... shes lucky she dont have a blockage.
Monday ill be in touch with my vet for a plan of action for these guys far as shots and wormings and etc...

dapple

Maybe you still can! Really OP.....if you have the info on this 'breeder', perhaps in the best interest of the dogs he already has in terrible condition, and all of the puppies that are in a sub standard situation, you can give his contact information to animal control. If no one ever says or does anything, it will just continue forever. Poor animals in this terrible person's care.

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kindafugly

Only info i have is a pre paid cell number and the name on the registration papers but i will contact his county animal control and have them check the situation. Im sure they could find his address.

Gotta do puppy feeding time be back later