I did not attend the seminar, but had a demo dog myself so I have no idea of what dog you are speaking of that was "mastiff looking". Most of the class dogs there and many of the specials were very bitchy with no bone or body. This breed is in real trouble with our males because they are no longer real Dobermans in look or temperament.
A quality Doberman is a balance of substance and elegance with heavy bone, but never coarse or clunky. They must have the stamina and agility to run down the bad guy and the temperament to be a man stopper. Unfortunately, there are too many that have neither the body nor the temperament to do the above.
I vehemently disagree. This "no bone bitchy" meme is alarming, how BIG do these dogs have to get before the "authority" decides they've "corrected" the look of the doberman over the previous 60+ years?
Now there were a lot of ring-FAT dogs, dogs whose undercarriages shook like jello going down the mats. Anyone curious enough could spend some time looking @ showdogvideopros.com this past National(and 2010 FAT CITY w/dogs that year OMG) and see them jiggling across the ring.
Of course a humongous oversized FAT dog is going to make whatever it's standing next to look "bitchy" by comparison- but those dogs are the tragedy IMO when they get chosen over a standard dog as they are the ones morphing the breed into mastiff land.
If the doberman is going to become a giant beefcake 'roided out looking creature-on top of being ridiculously short lived -- want nothing to do with it as the breed will have become extinct from what I've know of it all my humble 40+ years looking at them.
The bigger is better trajectory is a widespread problem in this country not just in dobermans, but in many other breeds- I don't understand how people can stand by and let it happen without a fight, particularly so when this is a heart damaged breed.
Temperament's another topic- there are only so many hours in a week for people who are inclined to pursue "working titles" and
conformation....not to mention the litigious society there is now vs. 40+ years ago.
I'm sure my boy is considered bitchy these days, but he's a freaking puppy and shouldn't be looking like a 5 yr old dog waddling down the mat, and hell will freeze over before I stuff him just to give the false illusion of "mature" just to beat the ones who've been feeding their dogs hohos all day.