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Old 11-05-2012, 01:32 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I went through something like this for about 5 months. The thread listed above is mine and there is some great info in it.

It has stopped for the most part and what worked for me was telling the ring leader I was going to talk to his mom and i knew where he lived. It sent him running and crying. His mother is actually a very nice person but she does not tolerate bad behavior.

I know how it feels though and how frustrating it is. Camera's are a great idea. I actually have an app on my phone so I can watch Diesel when I'm gone. It streams through my computer because I just don't trust anyone anymore.

Definitely call the police though and document EVERYTHING! I fought like hell to protect Diesel and I would do it again. Mine was more of a harassment case then physical abuse but regardless it's all unacceptable.

Hang in there and I hope it gets better. I'm more then happy to help and give you some suggestions since I've been through this. Everyone here is giving great advice. Never hesitate to call the police and take pictures.
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Are you seriously suggesting that beating children is the way to teach them compassion and empathy for animals?
NO, these kids are old enough to already KNOW. Beating is not the way to teach.
Possibly "put the fear of God into the children", " have a rational, adult conversation with the children", "give them a time out", there are lots of options, and no I don't condone beating children, but corporal punishment remains on the table.

I tend to speak a bit "out of hand" when I see this kind of thing. There is just no acceptable excuse for kids (anyone) to behave that way. Failed parenting is too common any more.

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You could just do a privacy fence across the back and maybe one panel up the side then go back to a lower fence the rest of the way.

Kids can be stupid - but if you talk to them in a reasonable manner, most of them will stop. Make friends with them and introduce them to your dog.... I'd still put up the privacy fence at the back.
With a lot of kids this will work, and is a great choice. I wish it would work with all kids




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I agree with Fitzmar about making friends with your neighbor kids and getting them to meet your dog. As I said in the 6/2012 thread, I think the reason the boys are taunting your dog is they are frightened of her and believe she might be vicious (Dobermans have been known to have that effect- thanks to bad PR in media)

Additionally, being in a group, the boys get that "gang mentality" to do things normally a single person wouldn't do. Why don't you conduct some training with Judah in the back yard and invite a few of the kids to watch. If the parents would agree, even have them participate. I think meeting your Dobie and seeing how smart and neat she is would turn them around!

(In addition to the positive approach I would still agree with the fence & camera installation as this would reinforce any reports you might make to authorities. If all else fails, you could start bite work protection training in your back yard like DT member TPerkins does in his front yard!)
Agreed again, if getting them involved works, great.


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I agree on the privacy fence and cameras. It's not your job to provide your neighbors a false sense of security. You have to look out for your dobe. That's ridiculous that your neighbor's kids are doing that. It's animal cruelty and needs to be nipped in the bud right away. If it happens again I would call the cops. There needs to be some kind of punishment or they will continue to abuse animals. I'm sorry that you are having to deal with this.
Should have cameras on GP.

I would always try the "positive approach" first. If it works that is wonderful. If the kid really is a bad apple, and you "get them in trouble" there will be retribution. If it escalates, and the parents are failures, then Police involvement is going to be needed.
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Old 11-05-2012, 02:20 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Please put a privacy fence up on that side of your yard in which you had this incident. Honestly, you should have called the cops.. why? because it will teach the kids and the parents a lesson. The parents probably shrugged it off like no big deal, but with a cop there... you get the point. I have a fence boxing in my backyard... my neighbor loves dogs but I dont care, he can see her when we go for walks.
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Privacy fence and cameras ASAP. A fence alone won't stop them from throwing things over the fence. I'm living proof of that. Talking to the neighbors rationally didn't work so we moved to the country. When we moved out of state we made sure we didn't have neighbors because of these types of things, and I'm so glad we don't have any to worry about.
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NO, these kids are old enough to already KNOW. Beating is not the way to teach.
Possibly "put the fear of God into the children", " have a rational, adult conversation with the children", "give them a time out", there are lots of options, and no I don't condone beating children, but corporal punishment remains on the table.

I tend to speak a bit "out of hand" when I see this kind of thing. There is just no acceptable excuse for kids (anyone) to behave that way. Failed parenting is too common any more.
So you agree it was a poorly worded post on your part?

I will probably not share the feelings I have about kids who tease and harrass dogs, but I don't think advocating on a public forum for beating kids is really the way to go, either.
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A privacy fence and cameras. That would make me so crazy mad!!!
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[quote=Fitzmar Dobermans;1186042]You could just do a privacy fence across the back and maybe one panel up the side then go back to a lower fence the rest of the way.

I actually have a privacy fence running along the back. Their yard meets mine at the back corner where it ends. Judah likes to run back their and see their dogs. They bark each other with tails wagging, play like stuff for a few minutes and then she goes on about her business. I am thinking about putting the privacy fence up along their side so that it blocks them off completely or maybe just several panels.
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Also, I don't agree that the dog should be isolated from the good neighbours. If this is something the OP is comfortable with and the neighbours are all comfortable with, why take it away?
I agree. My neighbors on both side have an absolutely endearing relationship with her. They look forward to seeing her and she is thrilled to see them. She comes to the fence to greet them everyday and I would hate to block her view from looking out. Anyway, she is only outside for limited periods. She goes to my sisters who lives on acreage to play with her littermate daily and I also take her on long walks.
I am hoping that the talk with the parents and my work at putting the privacy panels up along with a camera does the job. Thank you!
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[quote=kwhite30;1186119]I went through something like this for about 5 months. The thread listed above is mine and there is some great info in it.

Thank you! I will take a look at your previous thread. I hope the privacy panels and a camera along with confronting the parents will bring this thing to an end.
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So you agree it was a poorly worded post on your part?

I will probably not share the feelings I have about kids who tease and harrass dogs, but I don't think advocating on a public forum for beating kids is really the way to go, either.
Poorly worded, Yes.

There is a big difference between beating (incorrect word I used) and corporal punishment.
That said, I child without disabilities/defect should by the age of ten KNOW that throwing rocks at an animal (save maybe in self defense) is not acceptable behavior. Sit the child down, give them a reminder of right and wrong.... All for it. There is a time and place for a well earned @ss whipping.
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If it ever happens again, I would definitely call the cops. We had some kid constantly prank calling us at all hours. The dumb*ss didn't even think about caller ID, so when we finally got tired of it and filed a complaint we already had their number. After a call from the cops, we never heard anything from them again!
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I like your idea of putting up a couple of privacy panels & installing a camera. I hope a panel or two up the side should block enough of the corner that you won't have any further issues, but you won't feel walled in either.

I'd also explain about Vwd - assuming that you think they are fairly decent people. The idea that they might cause your dog to bleed to death will probably stop most kids. (If you don't think they are decent, don't mention it.)
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Call the police and explain not only what happened but the medical problem your dog has. Then contact animal control and file a complaint and again explain the medical problem. Make it VERY PLAIN that if the dog is injured and requires vet care someone is getting a big vet bill and if they fight it, a trip to civil court.

This was cruelty and the kids being unsupervised.

I would let everyone know security cameras are being installed and any problems will result in charges.
This. I would be so irate. And RFR, well said as usual. Hate to see another thread devolve into anti-child vitriol, as horrid as these particular children sound.
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I agree. My neighbors on both side have an absolutely endearing relationship with her. They look forward to seeing her and she is thrilled to see them. She comes to the fence to greet them everyday and I would hate to block her view from looking out. Anyway, she is only outside for limited periods. She goes to my sisters who lives on acreage to play with her littermate daily and I also take her on long walks.
I am hoping that the talk with the parents and my work at putting the privacy panels up along with a camera does the job. Thank you!
I read your first post with furious towards the kids and heartbreaking to Judah.
It's so shocking! Bullying, abusing, torturing. But for the stupid kids, it's just fun and play. Scary...! Parents should teach and take responsibility.
However, I'm very glad you have good old neighbors! I also agree that you don't need to block the sides of your property, but just put the panels up & camera for the back. If I were you, before doing that I'd talk to the parents once again in a nice manner but also warn them indirectly! I'd also talk to the elderly neighbors what the kids did to Judah and ask them to keep an eye on the kids.
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Had the same problem when I lived in Texas had a mutt name of Dusty my kitchen window was fairly high up I could see the fence. Dusty was barking the little kid next door was throwing rocks at Dusty. I went over to talk to the kids parents they asked their kid if he did throw rocks of course the kid lied said no. I watched the bratt out of my kitchen window every time I would yell at the kid. One day my hubby & I were in the front yard washing the car Dusty was out wit us. Dusty saw the kid walking down the street going to his home Dusty took off after the kid who was him coming scared that kid big time. I saw Dusty take off called him he came right back to me. It was enough the kid then wanted to make friends with Dusty did not happen but he never threw rocks at Dusty again. I would put up a camera tell the kids parents you will have proof of there kids behavior kids that are mean to animals are some times serial killers when they grow up.
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90% of kids are little jerks IMO.. I live on a street where they multiply like cockroaches!
I just try and let my dogs out during school hrs and after i know the little darlings are in the house for the night lol
I dont allow any of them to pet my dogs either..I dont trust what they may do then my dogs get blamed. I find the parents are the most to blame for not teaching their kids how to act proper around animals.
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Old 11-06-2012, 07:31 AM   #43 (permalink)
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Maybe we should give our dogs sticks and rocks and let them follow those little rugrats to school tehehe. I have also had this issue not with Kratos but with my chow. We had her on the porch she was about 9 months some little runt decided to come over and throw some bottles at her, well til this day on if she sees a kid she would love to tear them a new one we havent been able to break her from that incident so far :/
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Are you seriously suggesting that beating children is the way to teach them compassion and empathy for animals?
Beating children is never a way to teach them anything, however, teaching them the repurcussions of their behaviour is. I am sure there are several ways to accomplish this, and while I would have been mad enough to grab a rock and throw it at them to teach them how it felt, I would never act on that impulse. I would however, report them, and the parents to the proper authorities.
As a child I was disciplined immediately upon my parents finding out I did something wrong, and I was punished by more than them saying "you cant do that, its not right." I was taught that every action has a reaction, and taught what the reaction to my actions were. It is imperative that parents start taking responsibility for their children and teaching them right from wrong. I have had a few times in pet stores where children had no idea how to interact with a dog and I had one kid old enough to know better tugging on her ears and staring in her face. He could not figure out why Nexus grumbled and barked at him when he stared her down. Its a good thing I am a responsible pet owner who wont let her dogs become unruly, which is much more than I can say for some children I have encountered.
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I just can't believe that no value, respect and love of animals was installed into those kids since they have their own pets. I taught my kids to respect and love all animals.

I'm sorry but if you mess with my boys, you have to answer to me! I agree 100% with Vz-Doberman too!!!!
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Old 11-06-2012, 12:44 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Give the kids hell so that they are scared of you. Report them if it happens again. Talk to the parents and let them know how upset you are and that they need to control their kids unless they want the law involved. And tell the parents that it is stupid stuff like throwing rocks at dogs that makes dogs become distrustful of humans.
Makes me SO mad.
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:37 AM   #47 (permalink)
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leakaufman - Since the parents apologized (to your sister), that is a start...only.
But myself, I would be over to the kids house, speak to both parents first (if there are two) and demand their children apologize to me directly.
Short of that, instruct the parents, a police visit and filed report, will be started, when I walk home.

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- I identified one of the kids, from my time involved in minor baseball
- I gave the 2 kids a verbal piece of my mind, and asked them for their names
- they both started to run away, so i yelled to them, I already identified you "Topp*ng"...lol

- Next I got on the phone, talk to the wife, useless call...she said "I can't do nothing".
- So I said, put your husband on the phone...or I am coming to your neighborhood, to break glass in your driveway.
- so hubby got on the phone now
- I explained I almost had a dobe years ago, bleed out after steping on a broken beer bottle (in long grass)...plus, my wife doesn't need flat tires on her car, driving to work.
- I said, either your brat kid stops vandalizing our street, or how would you like your street be my target, next ??...and you don't want that.
- He was seriously pissed with his kid's actions, and thanked me for the plone call, saying it will never happen again...this I promise, and I WILL get to the bottom of it.
- before I hung up the phone, the first dad gave me the name and phone # of the second kid

- Now I talk to Dad #2, on the phone...he was mad as hell...and he said the problem would be resolved ASAP...and it was.
^^^^ Never saw the two pre-teen brats again, walk down our street, guess they took the long way around, avoided my place, or me like the plague.
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I have similar issues where I live too. I caught an adult man taunting my dogs one day. My fence is way within my yard and he was riding his bike up and down the street kinda yelling at them i guess making fun of them I don't know. He said to me that he always comes by when he sees them out and they are his friend .. OMG. I told him to stop, that if they ever got loose, they would be on him like white on rice. I had to do some correcting with my dobe, she got to where she HATED bikes thanks to that idiot. The kids in the neighborhood are bratty too. I was in my rock garden and these kids going home from school decided to just walk in my yard heading to the fence to see the dogs. I yelled at them, being ignored which made me really mad and (their mother was walking with them ) did nothing. My daughter caught the boy by his shirt and said NOOO you are NEVER to go up the fence understand ?? WE have both scolded the kids and their mother about them. We even have said if they stick their hands in there and get bit, we will not be responsible !! Not that they are mean, but these kids just keep on teasing them I think, and I know my dogs don't forget when someone is mean to them.

I would talk to the parents again and again if i were you. I would keep talking to them til they get tired of seeing you lol. It is not respectful for them to do this to your dogs. They are in their yard and those kids need to learn respect of other's property!!

I wish you well with this, I have a privacy fence on the east side of my house, and a chain link on the west side down to the south. I even have padlocks on the gates. I don't trust anyone either, people are so mean anymore, and seem to do alot of horrible things just for the fun of it.
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[quote=Fortheloveofadoberman;1194532]I have similar issues where I live too.

I put up privacy fencing to block the corner off and things have been much better. Judah runs back to say hello to their dogs, put she cannot come nose to nose with them. I have not seen the kids or their parents in a week or two and things are calm for now. I make sure Judah is monitored continuously when out. Thank you!
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I'm so sorry you are having to deal with this, I second, third or whatever number it is that you should get cameras and if it happens again I would make sure the police see what is going on.

I occasionally have a similar problem, not with kids throwing stones, but adults. Hunters to be exact. They have a habit of walking across my land (in Spain unless it is all fenced they can wander where they like, unfortunately I can't afford to fence off all my land even if I could legally) anyhow, they often get annoyed that my dogs are barking at them and throw stones and rocks at them to shut them up. On one day in particular I heard my Terrier yelp and I looked out to see him shying off whilst my other dogs were barking all the more. Suddenly I saw a big rock, and I mean a big rock fly through the air and land a few inches from my Dobe boy. Well you can imagine my reaction, I flew out the door shouting for my son to join me and we jointly tackled the morons full on. Bear in mind these guys all had shot guns and were argumentative in the extreme. We must have been there 10 minutes, full on face to face giving it what for before they left, flea in their ear that if they ever did it again I would throw bloody rocks at them.

Thing is I can imagine as kids they did it.

I just hope the kids who are bothering Juno stop throwing stones and actually befriend her instead.

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