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post #51 of 67 (permalink) Old 10-16-2012, 02:30 PM
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See, I think it's an educational opportunity, and it doesn't have to be a long, drawn out repetitive conversation either.

A simple, "Yes, he was abandoned into a rescue and I adopted him. We face a lot of health issues and worries, because of his genetic defect, but he is well-loved anyway." Or something along those lines.

I've had opportunities, over the years, to adopt an Albino. I have passed, mostly because I live such a primarily outdoors lifestyle, I'd worry the dog would have more eye damage and skin cancer, despite precautions.

Now that I am in the habit of constant application of sunscreen for the little hairless girl, I might reconsider someday--adding doggles surely wouldn't be THAT much more trouble.
I would see it as such also, the thing is.. I'm not the most approachable person. I'm not particularly chatty (or even very friendly for that matter, if I'm honest) I'm more of a dog person than a people person. So it's rather uncommon for people to come up and talk to me and even give me the opportunity to offer that explanation.

I'm pretty oblivious to people most of the time and I hear so many comments about me passed on to me from friends or acquaintances, made by people I've never met or even noticed at an event before that I now assume that people are always watching and I should conduct myself in a manner that reflects that and what I believe in, just in case.


And I wouldn't want to have to keep a bandana on my dog at all times saying "Ask my owner why I'm a horrible aberration of nature".

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And I wouldn't want to have to keep a bandana on my dog at all times saying "Ask my owner why I'm a horrible aberration of nature".

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Sorry. I pictured that and it was awesome. There are people I'd like to recommend make their kids wear that bandana. (Although change 'owner' to 'parent'.)




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Back to my question...

So, say you are looking for a dobe to adopt. You've been approved by your local rescue. When you visit the dogs at the rescue or shelter, would you avoid the albino based on its color, or lack thereof?
Black & rust is my top choice aesthetically, but my priorities are 1. Able to live with Delta (or any other dogs I have in this hypothetical situation) 2. Able to coexist with ferrets (or any other pets I have in this hypo... you get the idea) and 3. good with my kid(s). Color matters much less and I'm actually pretty well suited for an albino in that my house and yard are heavily shaded and I burn easily myself. So watching out for his eyes and skin wouldn't be too burdensome to me. Bonus points for a dog that also gets along with my neighbors' little brown dog - because playdates rock.

As for c/d - I like the look of cropped ears but would not have it done if I adopted a dobe puppy. Because I have 0 experience with posting and I'm not confident I could ensure they turned out nice. Similarly, I like a docked tail (and I'm not used to a dog with a tail - Guinness was the only dog I've ever had that wasn't docked. Even the mixed breeds I grew up with were docked by the breeder before she realized they were mixes) but I wouldn't amputate a tail that wasn't docked at birth unless the dog was continually breaking it.

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how would you handle answering the same ol' questions from the uninformed people you and your albino dobie meet in public? I imagine some wouldn't recognize it as a Doberman at first. They may ask about health issues, temperament...who knows. People come up with some pretty interesting questions.

Would you tell them the dog is a rescue? What if they liked the look of the dog and asked how much you paid for it? Would you then go into the whole speech about why no one should breed z-factored dobes and albinos should not exist, but this one is a rescue, etc etc? Could you stand the constant questions about YOUR albino dobe?
Yup. I happily ramble on about dobes and albinos and how they shouldn't be bred for, etc etc. and I very much point out he's a rescue and if they say they want one I ramble on about the rescue I got him from. unless I'm really really in a hurry, I tend to be pretty chatty.

And I just shake my head when they call him a Dalmation. Or a pit bull. Probably a pit bull, because all big dogs are pit bulls, didnjaknow?

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I do find it strange that most albino dobes I see on the rescue sites are, in fact, c/d. You'd think that would help their chances at getting adopted, and it probably does, despite the cards being stacked against them.
I suspect that's done by the BYBs to make sure that potential buyers recognize that they ARE dobes. Because does the average BYB customer recognize a white, floppy-eared, long-tailed dog (who probably has poor conformation to boot) as a doberman? Can't have these Very Unique, Highly Valuable RARE WHITE Dobermans mistaken for just random normally white dogs now can we??


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The chances of a white doberman in rescue in these parts is virtually nil, but let's just say there was one that would fit in here, of course, I'd adopt it in a minute. Even if it had floppy ears and a tail...
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I've learned by now to never say never but I do not see us add an albino to our family. I'm a lot more hesitant with having special needs dogs than I am with special needs cats. Now if a dog I already own develops special needs I don't plan on rehoming them but it's not something I would be comfortable with at this moment in life.

As for people's comments and questions, I plan on having a c/d doberman so I'm already assuming I'd have to deal with them anyway haha.
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Havent read the entire thread here, but my reasoning for NOT owning a rescue albino would be simply because my family is very active. We do too many outdoor activities and are always on the water (Florida!), so I would feel terrible leaving he/she behind all the time. On the other hand, I do own an english bulldog and during the heavy summer months, he is left out of most activities, so I guess taking in an albino would have to be very situational for me.


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I wasn't supposed to adopt Rogan but he fit in so well I couldn't let him go - sadly his time with us was short due to some major nasty tumors in his kidneys and small intestines that took him from me just shy of his 3rd birthday. The current crop of albinos at IDR + are all natural eared and docked. 3 of the 4 recently adopted were females and 2 of them were cropped Evie was a natural eared female.

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Yes I would....depending. It, like most things, would be based on the individual. Temperament would be the primary factor for me. Adopting/buying/owning ANY animal just based on looks is a bad idea. If it were ONLY about looks I would own a Weimaraner due to the color. A Weim is not the best choice for me, but I like the color best. Not a good reason to choose. That is not saying a preference in color or style (docked,cropped) should not be considered. If you only want/like Black and Rust should you get a Blue, Red, Fawn... if your heart is not in it, NO.
Adopting an albino could present a great opportunity for educating the public. You know people will ask about the dog while you are at (insert public outing) and you will have the chance to explain all about BYB and Z-factor dogs.

Just my $.02
I agree 100% with you. And EmilyB

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I am an albino dobe adopter

So, it's hard for me not to chime in here, so I will.

I adopted a three month old albino Doberman from the local shelter. He was dumped there by a woman who's daughter owned the dog and the daughter was sent to juvie.

I knew he would have health issues. I couldn't risk leaving him for someone who wouldn't take proper care of him like I would.

I do use Jasper every day I have him in public to educate people about the evils of breeding specifically for albinism. People always guess that he's a Weimeraner, his tail is docked but I opted not to crop his ears, even though he was young enough when I adopted him.

Generally, once people find out he's an albino Doberman, they comment on how rare he must be and how beautiful he is. I usually explain that it should be rare, however disreputable (and this puts it mildly) breeders do breed specifically for this trait. I explain his multiple health issues, including being nearly blind in the bright sun. I hope that in telling people all this, that it would dissuade them from purchasing and further propagating this type of breeding. I am fairly certain he came from a breeder of "white dobermans". This is based on the fact that there were other pups in the area being advertised on Craigs List.

All that said, for all his issues, he is the love of my life. He makes my life so much fuller and I wouldn't trade a day with him for anything. We make it work with his issues. His training classes occur in the evening when the sun is either down, or not at its peak, depending on the time of year. He gets to go out and play in the sun, but we slather on lots of sunscreen and keep a close eye out to make sure he isn't getting too pink. He makes use of his other senses in the sun and his hearing and nose are always pointed in my direction.

I get lots of criticism from both sides. The white doberman camp chastises me for telling the truth about his albinism. The other camp chastises me for having a white doberman. Some days it feels like I can't win, but I'll never ever, even for a second, regret adopting him.
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Prior to getting Jaina, I would've been fine with basically ANY rescued Dobe - so long as they were good with cats. Problem was - NONE were good with cats. In addition, I found that I just didn't click that well with the local rescue out here (my other half made a pretty bad impression - we'd had an argument in the car on the way over, so he was pretty upset with me. Not about anything related to the rescue - something COMPLETELY different) - originally, I was going to take home a little blue girl (if anyone remembers that initial post), but didn't get to for a variety of reasons - this is despite knowing about the coat issues with dilutes.

With rescues, I don't think I'm nearly as picky. Someone posted a picture of a rescue on here with a bad crop that gave him a pretty funny face (his name was Wyatt, if I recall) - if that guy had been in my area when I was looking and happened to be good with cats, he probably would've come home with me. I'm also not disinclined to take in a special needs rescue (as I know albinos can have issues) - as much as it would make sad to see an animal in pain, I also believe in giving them as comfortable of a home as possible (even if it meant I didn't get my agility dog right then). Of course, that also depends on the severity of their special needs - sadly, if they were reactive, I probably wouldn't be able to handle them (just by knowing myself and knowing that there are times that I'd have children around via family gatherings).

I guess what I'm trying to say is I would've taken an albino rescue (provided it didn't end up being a reactive dog (which I've heard albinos are inclined to temperament issues) and was good with cats). I would've also educated people that yes, it is a rescue, and yes, albinos have issues and should not be bred.

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So, it's hard for me not to chime in here, so I will.

I adopted a three month old albino Doberman from the local shelter. He was dumped there by a woman who's daughter owned the dog and the daughter was sent to juvie.

I knew he would have health issues. I couldn't risk leaving him for someone who wouldn't take proper care of him like I would.

I do use Jasper every day I have him in public to educate people about the evils of breeding specifically for albinism. People always guess that he's a Weimeraner, his tail is docked but I opted not to crop his ears, even though he was young enough when I adopted him.

Generally, once people find out he's an albino Doberman, they comment on how rare he must be and how beautiful he is. I usually explain that it should be rare, however disreputable (and this puts it mildly) breeders do breed specifically for this trait. I explain his multiple health issues, including being nearly blind in the bright sun. I hope that in telling people all this, that it would dissuade them from purchasing and further propagating this type of breeding. I am fairly certain he came from a breeder of "white dobermans". This is based on the fact that there were other pups in the area being advertised on Craigs List.

All that said, for all his issues, he is the love of my life. He makes my life so much fuller and I wouldn't trade a day with him for anything. We make it work with his issues. His training classes occur in the evening when the sun is either down, or not at its peak, depending on the time of year. He gets to go out and play in the sun, but we slather on lots of sunscreen and keep a close eye out to make sure he isn't getting too pink. He makes use of his other senses in the sun and his hearing and nose are always pointed in my direction.

I get lots of criticism from both sides. The white doberman camp chastises me for telling the truth about his albinism. The other camp chastises me for having a white doberman. Some days it feels like I can't win, but I'll never ever, even for a second, regret adopting him.
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I have a classmate (college) that bought an albino. She later gave it away due to aggresivness behavior. Don't know if she has any dog training skills, but did have small children. I had never seen or heard of one until she posted a picture of her dog on FB. I just wish people would be more responsible.
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Oh, he has a very sweet expression. Love the pretty Berner, too.

And yep, he does look like Anderson, good call.

Hope you guys share more pics and hang out some.

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Not prejudice

In my 25 plus years of Dobe ownership, I have had all 4 colors. When I adopted the fawn from the shelter (they called me, wanted hime to go to a experience Dobe home as they had people who wanted him for his color), I went thru the coat problems, explaining to people on the street he was not a weimeraner etc. After loosing my red girl 2 years ago, I was looking to rescue to adopt. Found my blue Skye on petfinder, she was 7 hours away. My hubby asked "do you really want a blue?" My reply " I really want a rescue Dobe, don't care about color" He reminded me of the fawns skin issues we had, I reminded him that the fawn was his favorite out of all the Dobes we had had. So I brought Skye home, love her to death, People ask me if she is old cause her face is lighter. More educating to do, love it. Yes I would adopt an albino. I did have a guy show up at my door years ago and wanted to know if I wanted his red because he just got a albino GGRRRR
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I have a housefull right now but I always base any rescues I take in(and there have been a few) on what I describe as`` They called my name`` meaning that something was there that was so special I had to be involved. If that rescue was an albino so be it. I don`t rescue them because they are beautiful...I rescue them for a reason that I cannot explain except to say they called me.
I try not to do rescue so as not to be so over dogged but when I can I will if it happens.
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I think the only thing that would bother me about owning an albino is appearing like I support z-factor dogs and/or breeding, which I do not, but you know how people are. I'm sure you'd get idiotic people who want to know where you got it so that THEY could get one, and you'd be displaying/advertising z-factor dogs to said idiotic public. There's also the people who would bash you for having it, even though you know it wasn't a purchase from the breeder and you don't support it, people will still think you should have left them alone to die or something, perhaps "cull them all".

But that aside, if you're willing to put forth the effort and potential money for health issues he or she may have in the future, I see no reason not to appreciate and love the animal like any other dog. It's not their fault and they are not a "bad" dog. They may wind up being the most loving and intelligent and wonderful dog you have ever had.

Personally, I have always loved black and tans, and don't really desire owning other colors myself, including the albinos (strictly for color), so I'd probably pass, knowing there are plenty who would love to have it, and hopefully the rescue agency only gives them to a decent home and not some gansta wannabe.

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