The difference is a working dog evaluator will say “that dog has a poor temperament” while a person in denial will say “that dog is too smart”.
I have loved and owned Dobes since before the fad of the 1970s. I have titled in schH and even trained police K9 and have testified as Police K9 expert in court. The above statement (and everything else they said) is TRUE.
The doberman has been let down by its breeders. Nothing more, nothing less. All this talk of "they are too this, too that" is ridiculous: they were developed as a POLICE DOG. IF they can't function as one they are NOT being correctly bred.
But, the denial will go on. The breeding of mule eared gazelle necked "big babies" will go on. And only a very, very, very few will ever respect the breed as it should be respected.
I want to say one other thing. I joined this site a few months ago looking for a well bred working Dobe for not a lot of money. I was "eaten alive" for suggesting such a thing. In the mean time I am now happily living with a young male Alfred v Haus Mann, SchH III grandson and am messing around to see if he has what it takes to title in IPO. He was given to me at no charge, as the owner's goal was a good home, not money.
I am not going to be going for full membership on this board, in fact, I won't be back... I have been in dogs 45 years, and this is one of the worst boards I have seen for "educating the public". No one here ever seems to have been a newbie, with dumb ideas or plain ignorance, all born "perfect" - so have no tolerance, it seems for those less perfect.
A public forum should educate: people should NOT be afraid to ask questions. People should NOT be told "Why did you ask if you won't follow what we tell you?" People should set a good example, be kind, and helpful, and realize that you can't help everyone - but you CAN help some. Being snotty won't help ANYONE.
As a breed steward in another breed, I have people contact me all the time saying "we are too afraid to go on any boards, for we will be attacked", so the sneak around trying to get information. Ridiculous!
Be a little kind. Be a little patient. Get off your high horse. Set an example and if it is good enough, people will admire you and follow your example. I think those who "attack" do so because it is far easier than being a good example.
I leave you all to yourselves. I know there are good people on here. I wish it was a more pleasant place to visit, I'd love to share my advantures with JerryDog as we get some titles. But after seeing those who put their poor dogs through MONTHS of discomfort because they want those foolish mule ears attacking someone who wanted pictures of shorter crops (shorter crops heal faster and are MUCH easier on the dog) I won't be back. I think those who put there dogs through long crops are inhumane, and put vanity before the dog - and here you are accusing the person who wanted the short crop of being like a drug dealer or something!
Think about what I have said. Lead by good example - not by being snitty.