Why aren't Dobermans used in law enforecement? - Doberman Forum : Doberman Breed Dog Forums

Doberman Related Chat If your post does not fit into any other category post here.

DobermanTalk.com is the premier Doberman Dog Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-19-2009, 09:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
Alpha
 
Rexamus's Avatar
 
Posts: 261
Location: Jacksonville, Florida
Dogs Name: Titan
Dogs Age: 2 1/2 years
Gallery Pics: 5
Visit Rexamus's Gallery
Thanks: 40
Thanked 130 Times in 83 Posts
Images: 5
Rexamus is a splendid one to beholdRexamus is a splendid one to beholdRexamus is a splendid one to beholdRexamus is a splendid one to beholdRexamus is a splendid one to beholdRexamus is a splendid one to behold
Why aren't Dobermans used in law enforecement?

Just out of curiousity...I'm wondering why Doberman's aren't used more in law enforcement work.

Is it because they don't have a strong enough bite?

Is it because they were bred more for guard than search & rescue?

Is it because they don't have the stamina?

I know Dobermans are extremely intelligent and I'm not just speaking from my own experience with Titan but the news recently reported Dobermans made the top 5 in the smartest breeds in the world.

So why aren't they used to serve and protect the public as much?
Rexamus is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Aug 2009
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 08-19-2009, 09:55 PM   #2 (permalink)
Eschew Prolixity
 
melbrod's Avatar
 
Posts: 11,340
Location: Colorado
Dogs Name: Kip, Capri
Titles: Kip...PPEW--Practically Perfect in Every Way, DS#15; Capri...PT--Pillow Taxi, DS#15
Dogs Age: 8 years--Dec. 15, 2005, 5 years--Dec. 14, 2008
Gallery Pics: 6
Visit melbrod's Gallery
Thanks: 27,449
Thanked 26,207 Times in 8,411 Posts
Images: 6
melbrod has a reputation beyond reputemelbrod has a reputation beyond reputemelbrod has a reputation beyond reputemelbrod has a reputation beyond reputemelbrod has a reputation beyond reputemelbrod has a reputation beyond reputemelbrod has a reputation beyond reputemelbrod has a reputation beyond reputemelbrod has a reputation beyond reputemelbrod has a reputation beyond reputemelbrod has a reputation beyond repute
Click here to find out how melbrod became a supporter
I've heard part of the reason is that they don't tolerate hot and cold temperatures well.
__________________
----------------Dragon Slaying Dobermans, Incorporated------------------

-----------------------------------Member #15------------------------------------

melbrod is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Sep 2007
The Following 10 Users Say Thank You to melbrod For This Useful Post:
Abby (01-15-2010), Amber (08-19-2009), blackdoberboy (08-20-2009), Casandra (08-20-2009), crystal100 (09-27-2009), hjgrl (01-14-2010), michael327 (08-20-2009), originalsinjin (12-20-2009), rainddobes (02-14-2010), von Cosack Dobermann (08-20-2009)
Old 08-19-2009, 10:00 PM   #3 (permalink)
Alpha
 
MeganUK's Avatar
 
Posts: 4,267
Location: Kentucky
Dogs Name: Wyatt & Josie. RIP Kaiser.
Titles: CGC
Dogs Age: 11/7/2005, 1/4/2009
Gallery Pics: 8
Visit MeganUK's Gallery
Thanks: 8,048
Thanked 7,798 Times in 2,797 Posts
Images: 8
MeganUK has a reputation beyond reputeMeganUK has a reputation beyond reputeMeganUK has a reputation beyond reputeMeganUK has a reputation beyond reputeMeganUK has a reputation beyond reputeMeganUK has a reputation beyond reputeMeganUK has a reputation beyond reputeMeganUK has a reputation beyond reputeMeganUK has a reputation beyond reputeMeganUK has a reputation beyond reputeMeganUK has a reputation beyond repute
Quote:
Originally Posted by melbrod View Post
I've heard part of the reason is that they don't tolerate hot and cold temperatures well.
My friend's dad was a dog trainer or handler, or something with dogs in the army. He said that they used some dobes, but that they didn't tolerate temp extremes as well as GSDs. He has always said he thought GSDs were easier to train.
__________________
MeganUK is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Jul 2007
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to MeganUK For This Useful Post:
Casandra (08-20-2009), crystal100 (09-27-2009), melbrod (08-19-2009)
Old 08-19-2009, 10:00 PM   #4 (permalink)
Alpha
 
rafensoda's Avatar
 
Posts: 596
Location: Cape Girardeau, MO
Dogs Name: Rafe, Soda, Pele
Titles: SchHA, BH, CD, CGC; CGC; BH, CGC
Dogs Age: 5yrs, 4yrs, 18mos
Gallery Pics: 1
Visit rafensoda's Gallery
Thanks: 552
Thanked 1,127 Times in 394 Posts
Images: 1
rafensoda has a reputation beyond reputerafensoda has a reputation beyond reputerafensoda has a reputation beyond reputerafensoda has a reputation beyond reputerafensoda has a reputation beyond reputerafensoda has a reputation beyond reputerafensoda has a reputation beyond reputerafensoda has a reputation beyond reputerafensoda has a reputation beyond reputerafensoda has a reputation beyond reputerafensoda has a reputation beyond repute
I've heard from a lot of people that getting a good working Dobe is just too expensive. They can get a GSD or Mal that will work just as well for less $$. It makes sense, I suppose. It does seem like good working Dobes are more expensive than working GSDs or Malinois, at least from the litters I've seen.
rafensoda is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Jul 2009
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to rafensoda For This Useful Post:
crystal100 (09-27-2009), Incredibledobe (08-19-2009), originalsinjin (12-20-2009)
Old 08-19-2009, 10:20 PM   #5 (permalink)
Doberman Slave
 
Incredibledobe's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,677

Gallery Pics: 3
Visit Incredibledobe's Gallery
Thanks: 6,772
Thanked 14,136 Times in 2,069 Posts
Images: 3
Incredibledobe has a reputation beyond reputeIncredibledobe has a reputation beyond reputeIncredibledobe has a reputation beyond reputeIncredibledobe has a reputation beyond reputeIncredibledobe has a reputation beyond reputeIncredibledobe has a reputation beyond reputeIncredibledobe has a reputation beyond reputeIncredibledobe has a reputation beyond reputeIncredibledobe has a reputation beyond reputeIncredibledobe has a reputation beyond reputeIncredibledobe has a reputation beyond repute
Click here to find out how Incredibledobe became a supporter Click here to find out how Incredibledobe became a supporter
Because they have had the courage and nerve bred right out of them.
__________________

Lorna & the INCREDIBLE Dobermanns...
2007, 2008, 2010 ADA Siegerin
UDC/ADA CH.Tahi Reme Gloria
CGC, STT, ZTP-V1B, SchH 3, IPO 3
2010 ADA SIEGER, Incredible Courage, CGC,STT,
ZTP-V1A, IPO 3, SchH 3
Jewell iz Gratsiano, BH
Incredible Honor
Incredibledobe is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Jun 2006
The Following 11 Users Say Thank You to Incredibledobe For This Useful Post:
arwclubhouse (09-27-2009), Cathy43 (08-20-2009), Cliff (02-21-2012), Dobermanlover09 (12-20-2009), Dobs4ever (08-20-2009), Grizzley1 (01-02-2013), Hunter (02-14-2010), Navistardobe (08-20-2009), originalsinjin (12-20-2009), Sallie (01-13-2010), von Cosack Dobermann (08-20-2009)
Old 08-19-2009, 10:30 PM   #6 (permalink)
Alpha
 
Rexamus's Avatar
 
Posts: 261
Location: Jacksonville, Florida
Dogs Name: Titan
Dogs Age: 2 1/2 years
Gallery Pics: 5
Visit Rexamus's Gallery
Thanks: 40
Thanked 130 Times in 83 Posts
Images: 5
Rexamus is a splendid one to beholdRexamus is a splendid one to beholdRexamus is a splendid one to beholdRexamus is a splendid one to beholdRexamus is a splendid one to beholdRexamus is a splendid one to behold
Quote:
Originally Posted by Incredibledobe View Post
Because they have had the courage and nerve bred right out of them.
That seems strange to me since German Shepards are one of the most popular breeds in America and have been for many years. I would think the nerve and courage would have been bred out of those "more in demand dogs" than the doberman that never seems to make the list.

I'm not a breeder but I've heard health and temperment are compromised when there is a higher demand for a specific breed. Is this not so?
Rexamus is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Aug 2009
Old 08-19-2009, 10:52 PM   #7 (permalink)
Lil Dog
 
Posts: 51
Location: Garden Grove, CA
Dogs Name: Aylah
Dogs Age: Born: 1/3/09
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit alDOOsi's Gallery
Thanks: 18
Thanked 21 Times in 16 Posts
alDOOsi will become famous soon enoughalDOOsi will become famous soon enough
"courage and nerve bred right out of them." I don't know how you came to that conclusion, but courage and nerve has nothing to do with DNA or genetics.
alDOOsi is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Mar 2009
The Following User Says Thank You to alDOOsi For This Useful Post:
rainddobes (02-14-2010)
Old 08-19-2009, 11:02 PM   #8 (permalink)
Alpha
 
Makaveli's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,405
Location: Surrey, BC
Dogs Name: Kleo(R.I.P.)
Titles: Cuddle master, world champion of wrestling
Dogs Age: Feb 24/08 - May 14/09
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit Makaveli's Gallery
Thanks: 5,725
Thanked 2,466 Times in 1,389 Posts
Makaveli has a reputation beyond reputeMakaveli has a reputation beyond reputeMakaveli has a reputation beyond reputeMakaveli has a reputation beyond reputeMakaveli has a reputation beyond reputeMakaveli has a reputation beyond reputeMakaveli has a reputation beyond reputeMakaveli has a reputation beyond reputeMakaveli has a reputation beyond reputeMakaveli has a reputation beyond reputeMakaveli has a reputation beyond repute
Very good question. I will read upon this thread

I am wanting to transfer into K9 Unit in the RCMP after I start or w/e lol, and will want to have a Dobie if they allow me -.- lol
__________________
Harp Chahal
Dragon Slaying Dobermans Incorporated Member #007 (Currently out of business)
Real Eyes...Real Lies...Realize
"I don't need to sit for the cookie, I hunt dragons all day dammit!! (Also out of cookies and dragon hunter)
Makaveli is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: May 2008
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Makaveli For This Useful Post:
Chatty (08-20-2009), Crow (12-21-2009)
Old 08-19-2009, 11:03 PM   #9 (permalink)
Alpha
 
Lexxsmom's Avatar
 
Posts: 8,624
Location: Ontario Canada
Dogs Name: Lexxington
Titles: Dragon Slaying Guru
Dogs Age: 2 yrs
Gallery Pics: 7
Visit Lexxsmom's Gallery
Thanks: 4,675
Thanked 11,872 Times in 4,226 Posts
Images: 7
Lexxsmom has a reputation beyond reputeLexxsmom has a reputation beyond reputeLexxsmom has a reputation beyond reputeLexxsmom has a reputation beyond reputeLexxsmom has a reputation beyond reputeLexxsmom has a reputation beyond reputeLexxsmom has a reputation beyond reputeLexxsmom has a reputation beyond reputeLexxsmom has a reputation beyond reputeLexxsmom has a reputation beyond reputeLexxsmom has a reputation beyond repute
oooh I don't think thats true at all. Courage and nerve definitely DO have something to do with genetics, unfortunately.

Ideally, we would be able to breed and dog that could suit its situation perfectly by upbringing alone, unfortunately, that is not the case.

This is why you will see what is referred to as "working" lines vs "show" lines, or some lines being referred to as "sharper" or "more solidly nerved"

Its extremely genetic. ( not that I might my suck ball doberman)
__________________
Leanne and Lexx


Dragon Slaying Dobermans Incorporated, member #001, President.
" I don't need to sit for the cookie, I hunt dragons all day dammit!"
Be responsible... clip the stamens...
Lexxington's blog: http://lexxslife.blogspot.com/
ontario rescue:http://www.harleywood.ca/AvailableDogs.htm
Lexxsmom is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Sep 2007
The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to Lexxsmom For This Useful Post:
Abby (01-15-2010), avalonandon (08-20-2009), Dobermanlover09 (12-20-2009), Incredibledobe (08-20-2009), originalsinjin (12-20-2009), Tess-a-boo (08-20-2009)
Old 08-19-2009, 11:14 PM   #10 (permalink)
Alpha
 
Posts: 253

Gallery Pics: 5
Visit caitrei's Gallery
Thanks: 180
Thanked 308 Times in 144 Posts
Images: 5
caitrei has a brilliant futurecaitrei has a brilliant futurecaitrei has a brilliant futurecaitrei has a brilliant futurecaitrei has a brilliant futurecaitrei has a brilliant futurecaitrei has a brilliant futurecaitrei has a brilliant futurecaitrei has a brilliant futurecaitrei has a brilliant futurecaitrei has a brilliant future
I think part of it is just basic preferance of the police dog trainers. While GSD's were popular for a while (and still are) malinois are becoming more and more popular. In some european countries airedale terriers have been used and probably many other breeds that aren't even considered in North America.
caitrei is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Jun 2007
The Following User Says Thank You to caitrei For This Useful Post:
crystal100 (09-27-2009)
Old 08-20-2009, 12:16 AM   #11 (permalink)
Doberman Slave
 
Incredibledobe's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,677

Gallery Pics: 3
Visit Incredibledobe's Gallery
Thanks: 6,772
Thanked 14,136 Times in 2,069 Posts
Images: 3
Incredibledobe has a reputation beyond reputeIncredibledobe has a reputation beyond reputeIncredibledobe has a reputation beyond reputeIncredibledobe has a reputation beyond reputeIncredibledobe has a reputation beyond reputeIncredibledobe has a reputation beyond reputeIncredibledobe has a reputation beyond reputeIncredibledobe has a reputation beyond reputeIncredibledobe has a reputation beyond reputeIncredibledobe has a reputation beyond reputeIncredibledobe has a reputation beyond repute
Click here to find out how Incredibledobe became a supporter Click here to find out how Incredibledobe became a supporter
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rexamus View Post
That seems strange to me since German Shepards are one of the most popular breeds in America and have been for many years. I would think the nerve and courage would have been bred out of those "more in demand dogs" than the doberman that never seems to make the list.

I'm not a breeder but I've heard health and temperment are compromised when there is a higher demand for a specific breed. Is this not so?
Health and temperament seem to be compromised not by higher demand, but by the greater use of the dog. GSD's are and always have been used more for sport and work for many years due to a variety of factors. The Dobes that were here originally were way to sharp for many people and got a rep in the 70's for being the "bad" dog, hence the supposed need to breed temperament down a bit.
This is not really the best explanation I can give you, but I've 4 shows this weekend and just bathed 5 dogs and still need to groom 2, so it will have to wait. Maybe someone else will chime in too.
__________________

Lorna & the INCREDIBLE Dobermanns...
2007, 2008, 2010 ADA Siegerin
UDC/ADA CH.Tahi Reme Gloria
CGC, STT, ZTP-V1B, SchH 3, IPO 3
2010 ADA SIEGER, Incredible Courage, CGC,STT,
ZTP-V1A, IPO 3, SchH 3
Jewell iz Gratsiano, BH
Incredible Honor
Incredibledobe is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Jun 2006
Old 08-20-2009, 12:17 AM   #12 (permalink)
Doberman Slave
 
Incredibledobe's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,677

Gallery Pics: 3
Visit Incredibledobe's Gallery
Thanks: 6,772
Thanked 14,136 Times in 2,069 Posts
Images: 3
Incredibledobe has a reputation beyond reputeIncredibledobe has a reputation beyond reputeIncredibledobe has a reputation beyond reputeIncredibledobe has a reputation beyond reputeIncredibledobe has a reputation beyond reputeIncredibledobe has a reputation beyond reputeIncredibledobe has a reputation beyond reputeIncredibledobe has a reputation beyond reputeIncredibledobe has a reputation beyond reputeIncredibledobe has a reputation beyond reputeIncredibledobe has a reputation beyond repute
Click here to find out how Incredibledobe became a supporter Click here to find out how Incredibledobe became a supporter
Quote:
Originally Posted by alDOOsi View Post
"courage and nerve bred right out of them." I don't know how you came to that conclusion, but courage and nerve has nothing to do with DNA or genetics.
Then you need to do a little more research - courage and nerve are absolutely genetic traits - totally so.
__________________

Lorna & the INCREDIBLE Dobermanns...
2007, 2008, 2010 ADA Siegerin
UDC/ADA CH.Tahi Reme Gloria
CGC, STT, ZTP-V1B, SchH 3, IPO 3
2010 ADA SIEGER, Incredible Courage, CGC,STT,
ZTP-V1A, IPO 3, SchH 3
Jewell iz Gratsiano, BH
Incredible Honor
Incredibledobe is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Jun 2006
The Following 9 Users Say Thank You to Incredibledobe For This Useful Post:
Abby (01-15-2010), arwclubhouse (09-27-2009), Cliff (02-21-2012), Crow (12-21-2009), Dobemom2b (08-20-2009), Hunter (02-14-2010), KenyaARaineCD (08-20-2009), latere (01-13-2010), von Cosack Dobermann (08-20-2009)
Old 08-20-2009, 12:26 AM   #13 (permalink)
Doberman Slave
 
Incredibledobe's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,677

Gallery Pics: 3
Visit Incredibledobe's Gallery
Thanks: 6,772
Thanked 14,136 Times in 2,069 Posts
Images: 3
Incredibledobe has a reputation beyond reputeIncredibledobe has a reputation beyond reputeIncredibledobe has a reputation beyond reputeIncredibledobe has a reputation beyond reputeIncredibledobe has a reputation beyond reputeIncredibledobe has a reputation beyond reputeIncredibledobe has a reputation beyond reputeIncredibledobe has a reputation beyond reputeIncredibledobe has a reputation beyond reputeIncredibledobe has a reputation beyond reputeIncredibledobe has a reputation beyond repute
Click here to find out how Incredibledobe became a supporter Click here to find out how Incredibledobe became a supporter
Quote:
Originally Posted by caitrei View Post
I think part of it is just basic preferance of the police dog trainers. While GSD's were popular for a while (and still are) malinois are becoming more and more popular. In some european countries airedale terriers have been used and probably many other breeds that aren't even considered in North America.
Police handlers and trainers do not think highly of dobes. I speak from the view of someone who has been involved with these fields for the last 20 years or so. My husband is a police dog trainer and I have had 2 dobes now certified in police work - both patrol and narcotics.
The dobes they can get that have genetic courage, nerve, and are not body sensitive (having to do with nerve) are few and far between. Many like the look and idea of the Dobe, but few would take the chance on the dog actually working for them.
I absolutely love this breed and believe fully in their capabilities as a working dog, but I am also fully aware that we really improve our working ability. I also think that by doing this, we would improve temperament overall and have a much more stable dog even for pets.
__________________

Lorna & the INCREDIBLE Dobermanns...
2007, 2008, 2010 ADA Siegerin
UDC/ADA CH.Tahi Reme Gloria
CGC, STT, ZTP-V1B, SchH 3, IPO 3
2010 ADA SIEGER, Incredible Courage, CGC,STT,
ZTP-V1A, IPO 3, SchH 3
Jewell iz Gratsiano, BH
Incredible Honor
Incredibledobe is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Jun 2006
The Following 10 Users Say Thank You to Incredibledobe For This Useful Post:
Cliff (02-21-2012), Crow (12-21-2009), dobegirl (01-14-2010), Dobs4ever (08-20-2009), GRAYGHOST (08-20-2009), Hunter (02-14-2010), KenyaARaineCD (08-20-2009), michael327 (09-15-2009), originalsinjin (12-20-2009), stardstdob (02-14-2010)
Old 08-20-2009, 12:49 AM   #14 (permalink)
Extraordimary
 
MaryAndDobes's Avatar
 
Posts: 4,246
Location: Ontario, Canada
Dogs Name: Shelby, Kismet, Royal, Moxie, Copper & Wicca
Titles: Yes
Dogs Age: 10, 9, 6, 6, 5 & 1
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit MaryAndDobes's Gallery
Thanks: 3
Thanked 13,533 Times in 2,696 Posts
MaryAndDobes has a reputation beyond reputeMaryAndDobes has a reputation beyond reputeMaryAndDobes has a reputation beyond reputeMaryAndDobes has a reputation beyond reputeMaryAndDobes has a reputation beyond reputeMaryAndDobes has a reputation beyond reputeMaryAndDobes has a reputation beyond reputeMaryAndDobes has a reputation beyond reputeMaryAndDobes has a reputation beyond reputeMaryAndDobes has a reputation beyond reputeMaryAndDobes has a reputation beyond repute
We've discussed some differences between German shepherds and Dobermans before when it comes to training. Especially how Dobermans don't enjoy drilling exercises, doing the same thing over and over. GSDs don't seem to have that problem and will do the same routines over and over. In that respect, maybe GSDs are a little easier for trainers. Some of the canine officers are novices themselves, learning alongside their dogs. I've known 2 canine officers in that situation. The dogs are literally better than they are, and they're along for the ride!

I personally feel that another Doberman trait is that they don't tend to be blindly obedient. If you were trying to send them into a burning building, they'd say "uh, why?" A GSD would probably just go. You see Dobermans being intelligent like that at obedience competitions sneaking off into the shade on long sits and downs, for eg. Not that you never see other breeds thinking for themselves, too. Just saying.

Another reason often given for the lack of Dobermans in police enforcement is their loyalty to one person. They may not transfer well to another trainer/handler if need be. While I've seen that as a reason (excuse?), not sure I really buy that one personally. We see too many rescue Dobermans adjusting very well to new families and people to make that reason seem very logical.
__________________
MaryAndDobes is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Jun 2005
The Following 23 Users Say Thank You to MaryAndDobes For This Useful Post:
AnonymouslyYours (01-05-2013), barb0604 (01-04-2013), blackdoberboy (01-13-2010), Burns (08-20-2009), cks (01-14-2010), clipclop (08-20-2009), crystal100 (09-27-2009), Dobs4ever (02-14-2010), Fitzmar Dobermans (08-20-2009), greenkouki (08-20-2009), hjgrl (01-14-2010), iceman (08-20-2009), Incredibledobe (08-20-2009), latere (01-13-2010), Lexxsmom (08-20-2009), Like A Boxer (01-13-2010), MeganUK (08-20-2009), originalsinjin (12-20-2009), Q734 (02-15-2010), Retta (01-15-2010), robinb (01-14-2010), Tess-a-boo (08-20-2009), von Cosack Dobermann (08-20-2009)
Old 08-20-2009, 01:19 AM   #15 (permalink)
Alpha
 
alwayshadpets's Avatar
 
Posts: 4,395
Dogs Name: Tamora Atlas
Titles: CH MACH Atlas CD MXS MJG OF T2B OF Mach 7 Tamora UD MXG2 MJB3 NF TDI CGC
Dogs Age: 8 & 5
Gallery Pics: 5
Visit alwayshadpets's Gallery
Thanks: 2,416
Thanked 4,299 Times in 1,538 Posts
Images: 5
alwayshadpets has a reputation beyond reputealwayshadpets has a reputation beyond reputealwayshadpets has a reputation beyond reputealwayshadpets has a reputation beyond reputealwayshadpets has a reputation beyond reputealwayshadpets has a reputation beyond reputealwayshadpets has a reputation beyond reputealwayshadpets has a reputation beyond reputealwayshadpets has a reputation beyond reputealwayshadpets has a reputation beyond reputealwayshadpets has a reputation beyond repute
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaryAndDobes View Post
We've discussed some differences between German shepherds and Dobermans before when it comes to training. Especially how Dobermans don't enjoy drilling exercises, doing the same thing over and over. GSDs don't seem to have that problem and will do the same routines over and over. .
That is so true with drilling exercises over and over. I see that in training all the time. Routine has to be fresh and different.
alwayshadpets is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Oct 2006
The Following User Says Thank You to alwayshadpets For This Useful Post:
blackdoberboy (08-20-2009)
Old 08-20-2009, 02:17 AM   #16 (permalink)
Alpha
 
Posts: 3,333

Gallery Pics: 0
Visit Crow's Gallery
Thanks: 7,388
Thanked 8,151 Times in 2,106 Posts
Crow has a reputation beyond reputeCrow has a reputation beyond reputeCrow has a reputation beyond reputeCrow has a reputation beyond reputeCrow has a reputation beyond reputeCrow has a reputation beyond reputeCrow has a reputation beyond reputeCrow has a reputation beyond reputeCrow has a reputation beyond reputeCrow has a reputation beyond reputeCrow has a reputation beyond repute
I asked a top police dog and security dog trainer about this once. He said he'd done trials of Dobes, at the request of the police, some years ago. One thing he cited was that Dobes were less reliable in responding to commands in stress situations than were GSDs. It might only be a small difference but to a cop on the frontline, it could be hugely consequential.

Also, although Dobes are imposing looking dogs and of approximately equal weight to GSDs, GSDs tend to look more bulky and solid by virtue of having heavier coats and a more compact build, which adds to the deterrent factor.

Related to this - I recall watching a documentary about making your home burglar-proof. The programme asked various career housebreakers what would put them off breaking into a particular house, including the value of dogs as deterrents. The burglars said that they'd avoid a house with a GSD in but that other breeds - including supposedly "scary" ones like Rotts - weren't a deterrent. The only breed they thought likely to cause them problems was the GSD.
Crow is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Feb 2008
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Crow For This Useful Post:
crystal100 (09-27-2009), Fitz.kara (09-27-2009), iceman (08-20-2009), originalsinjin (12-20-2009), von Cosack Dobermann (08-20-2009)
Old 08-20-2009, 02:45 AM   #17 (permalink)
Alpha
 
iceman's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,409
Location: Cyprus
Dogs Name: Kaiser & Nika
Titles: FCI_INTCh/GChCY/ChMD/ ChBG/ChMNE/ChSM/ChAZE/ CHGE/ChTW/BH/IPO1
Dogs Age: 3-5-2008 & 4-14-2010
Gallery Pics: 61
Visit iceman's Gallery
Thanks: 931
Thanked 3,060 Times in 901 Posts
Images: 61
iceman has a reputation beyond reputeiceman has a reputation beyond reputeiceman has a reputation beyond reputeiceman has a reputation beyond reputeiceman has a reputation beyond reputeiceman has a reputation beyond reputeiceman has a reputation beyond reputeiceman has a reputation beyond reputeiceman has a reputation beyond reputeiceman has a reputation beyond reputeiceman has a reputation beyond repute
Click here to find out how iceman became a supporter
I once asked this question to a police dog trainer and the response i got was more or less what MaryAndDobes & Crow wrote above...they are just too smart to be a police dog...dobes (under stress) are not blindly obidient to their handlers like GSD's.This is to do with the fact that a handler and an owner means two different things to a dobe...being a one man dog makes it almost impossible to bond to another handler if needed to change, as it might be required in the force.
In law enforcement they need dogs that would NOT question orders..
For example if you order a GSD to jump through a window, he most probably would not hesitate, but a dobe would like to know what's on the other side of the window before he takes the leap..
__________________
.





.
iceman is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Feb 2009
The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to iceman For This Useful Post:
blackdoberboy (08-20-2009), Chatty (08-20-2009), crystal100 (09-27-2009), Fitz.kara (09-27-2009), hjgrl (01-14-2010), latere (01-13-2010), originalsinjin (12-20-2009)
Old 08-20-2009, 02:51 AM   #18 (permalink)
Alpha
 
Kaiserboy's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,038
Location: South West England, UK
Dogs Name: Kaiser & Pasha
Titles: Emperor Kaiser + Miss P
Dogs Age: Both born May 2008
Gallery Pics: 24
Visit Kaiserboy's Gallery
Thanks: 1,447
Thanked 1,520 Times in 654 Posts
Images: 24
Kaiserboy has a reputation beyond reputeKaiserboy has a reputation beyond reputeKaiserboy has a reputation beyond reputeKaiserboy has a reputation beyond reputeKaiserboy has a reputation beyond reputeKaiserboy has a reputation beyond reputeKaiserboy has a reputation beyond reputeKaiserboy has a reputation beyond reputeKaiserboy has a reputation beyond reputeKaiserboy has a reputation beyond reputeKaiserboy has a reputation beyond repute
When I used to work in a training school for protector and serving dogs we would have about 35 GSD and then only 5 Dobe's to train. The GSD would be much easier to train and take alot less time.. when training them you could say jump and they would say how high?
Dobe's on the other hand would seem to assess the situation abit more. They were not as easy to train and took longer because of this.
The Dobe's would be sold at a high price and the GSD at a fraction.
My best friend's father is a dog handler with the police and their GSD has a purpose build kennel from the police for the dog to live in the garden away from the family. As we all know Dobe's do not do well outside. In the training school they had to have purpose build kennels made for the Dobes completely different from the GSD kennels with more padding and heating.
So I think it comes down to money maybe..
__________________

DSDI #50
Kaiserboy is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Mar 2009
Old 08-20-2009, 03:20 AM   #19 (permalink)
Alpha
 
Craig_n_Kaiser's Avatar
 
Posts: 560
Location: Michigan
Dogs Name: Sig
Titles: super Pup- certified
Dogs Age: 11 weeks
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit Craig_n_Kaiser's Gallery
Thanks: 65
Thanked 312 Times in 47 Posts
Craig_n_Kaiser has a brilliant futureCraig_n_Kaiser has a brilliant futureCraig_n_Kaiser has a brilliant futureCraig_n_Kaiser has a brilliant futureCraig_n_Kaiser has a brilliant futureCraig_n_Kaiser has a brilliant futureCraig_n_Kaiser has a brilliant futureCraig_n_Kaiser has a brilliant futureCraig_n_Kaiser has a brilliant futureCraig_n_Kaiser has a brilliant futureCraig_n_Kaiser has a brilliant future
I think one of the reasons is that most L.E. handlers/trainers have some military background or they've been trained by someone that has. Ever since Chesty Puller recommended that Dobermans not be used in combat, because they "broke and turned on their handlers", the use of Dobermans has gone down. This kind of misinformation, especially coming from someone of such legendary status as Chesty, has left a stigma that is hard to overcome.
__________________
Craig_n_Kaiser is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Aug 2011
Old 08-20-2009, 06:01 AM   #20 (permalink)
Alpha
 
mastermind's Avatar
 
Posts: 342
Location: Waterloo, Ontario
Dogs Name: Xena-RIP, Keen-4 , Samantha, Jackie-2, Abba-1, Trouble-4 1/2 mos
Titles: new puppy, champions, obiedence to retired
Dogs Age: 12wks - 13years
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit mastermind's Gallery
Thanks: 888
Thanked 800 Times in 229 Posts
mastermind has a reputation beyond reputemastermind has a reputation beyond reputemastermind has a reputation beyond reputemastermind has a reputation beyond reputemastermind has a reputation beyond reputemastermind has a reputation beyond reputemastermind has a reputation beyond reputemastermind has a reputation beyond reputemastermind has a reputation beyond reputemastermind has a reputation beyond reputemastermind has a reputation beyond repute
This is straight out of the mouth of a handler at Toronto International airport. He was also on the Canine Unit for Waterloo Regional Police in Kitchener/Waterloo Ontario for 20 years. First the weather is a problem and second the public image of Dobes & Rotti's. Third GSD's are easier to get. In fact at the airport they are looking at getting more Labs for the work they need done. Over the years I've been told exactly the same thing by the Revenue Canada/Customs handlers that came to buy Labs.
mastermind is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Sep 2008
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to mastermind For This Useful Post:
crystal100 (09-27-2009), Incredibledobe (08-20-2009), originalsinjin (12-20-2009)
Old 08-20-2009, 06:09 AM   #21 (permalink)
Alpha
 
Kansadobe's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,710
Location: Kansas USA
Dogs Name: Breeder for Over 35 Years
Titles: Bred 35+ AKC Champions, Top 20 Conformation and Obedience Contenders, and SCH Titled

Gallery Pics: 15
Visit Kansadobe's Gallery
Thanks: 2,310
Thanked 9,085 Times in 1,338 Posts
Images: 15
Kansadobe has a reputation beyond reputeKansadobe has a reputation beyond reputeKansadobe has a reputation beyond reputeKansadobe has a reputation beyond reputeKansadobe has a reputation beyond reputeKansadobe has a reputation beyond reputeKansadobe has a reputation beyond reputeKansadobe has a reputation beyond reputeKansadobe has a reputation beyond reputeKansadobe has a reputation beyond reputeKansadobe has a reputation beyond repute
Quote:
Originally Posted by Craig_n_Kaiser View Post
Ever since Chesty Puller recommended that Dobermans not be used in combat, because they "broke and turned on their handlers", the use of Dobermans has gone down. This kind of misinformation, especially coming from someone of such legendary status as Chesty, has left a stigma that is hard to overcome.
Huh????? Sounds like a wives tale or urban legned to me.

__________________
Kansadobe is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Apr 2008
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Kansadobe For This Useful Post:
Dakota (01-14-2010), dobeman01 (08-20-2009), Kpablo (08-20-2009), StoneyBlue (08-20-2009)
Old 08-20-2009, 06:28 AM   #22 (permalink)
Big Dog
 
Posts: 83
Location: Chicago
Dogs Name: StoneyBlue
Titles: no
Dogs Age: 6
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit StoneyBlue's Gallery
Thanks: 8
Thanked 28 Times in 22 Posts
StoneyBlue has a spectacular aura aboutStoneyBlue has a spectacular aura about
I grew up in chicago and on the street behind my house was 2 black chicago police dobes - as a kid those dogs scared the sh** out of me! I thought they were sooooo mean! Also on the other street were some factories and one had 2 dobes (I think summer only) as guard dogs - those dogs also looked mean! My vet was in the army and she said she trained dobes but they would loose one almost every week to bloat?

any way now I have the sweetest dobe and I think back and laugh that I was soooo afraid of those dogs!
StoneyBlue is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Oct 2008
Old 08-20-2009, 07:51 AM   #23 (permalink)
Alpha
 
Posts: 667
Location: South Lake Tahoe, CA.
Dogs Name: Grady. My Murphy went to the Bridge on Sept. 27, 2012...my heart went with her..
Titles: Best Dobes in the world!
Dogs Age: 6
Gallery Pics: 4
Visit dobeman01's Gallery
Thanks: 1,526
Thanked 609 Times in 419 Posts
Images: 4
dobeman01 has a reputation beyond reputedobeman01 has a reputation beyond reputedobeman01 has a reputation beyond reputedobeman01 has a reputation beyond reputedobeman01 has a reputation beyond reputedobeman01 has a reputation beyond reputedobeman01 has a reputation beyond reputedobeman01 has a reputation beyond reputedobeman01 has a reputation beyond reputedobeman01 has a reputation beyond reputedobeman01 has a reputation beyond repute
Quote:
Originally Posted by melbrod View Post
I've heard part of the reason is that they don't tolerate hot and cold temperatures well.
I'm not sure of that reason..Dobes are used as avalanche rescue dogs in Colorado and California.
__________________








Dragon Slaying Dobermans Incorporated Member #058
dobeman01 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Jan 2008
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to dobeman01 For This Useful Post:
Cliff (02-21-2012), crystal100 (09-27-2009), melbrod (08-20-2009)
Old 08-20-2009, 10:31 AM   #24 (permalink)
Lil Dog
 
Posts: 51
Location: Garden Grove, CA
Dogs Name: Aylah
Dogs Age: Born: 1/3/09
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit alDOOsi's Gallery
Thanks: 18
Thanked 21 Times in 16 Posts
alDOOsi will become famous soon enoughalDOOsi will become famous soon enough
You guys can't be serious to believe that courage and nerve is implemented into our DNA? Well, i might give you nerves since it is associated with temperament, but courage is too much of a man made idea. I highly doubt there are genetic instructions for courage.

I think you guys are just misunderstanding high drives in a dog with the idea of courage.
alDOOsi is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Mar 2009
Old 08-20-2009, 10:49 AM   #25 (permalink)
Alpha
 
Kpablo's Avatar
 
Posts: 7,583
Location: Dallas, Texas
Dogs Name: Louie CGC & Scooby
Dogs Age: 7/26/08 & 2/07
Gallery Pics: 8
Visit Kpablo's Gallery
Thanks: 13,842
Thanked 9,308 Times in 4,120 Posts
Images: 8
Kpablo has a reputation beyond reputeKpablo has a reputation beyond reputeKpablo has a reputation beyond reputeKpablo has a reputation beyond reputeKpablo has a reputation beyond reputeKpablo has a reputation beyond reputeKpablo has a reputation beyond reputeKpablo has a reputation beyond reputeKpablo has a reputation beyond reputeKpablo has a reputation beyond reputeKpablo has a reputation beyond repute
Perhaps, courage was too anthropomorphistic (sp? grmr?) word. But, standard does say a Doberman should display fearlessess. Fealessness IS good temperment.

On this one I have to agree with Incredible. IT is a genetic trait.

If dam/sire have shotty temperment, more than likely the pups will too.

Just like if a human parent has mental health issues and bad temperment, there is a larger possibility the children will too.
__________________
"A man's soul can be judged by the way he treats his dog." - by Charles Doran
Facebook & Website
Kpablo is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Nov 2008
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Kpablo For This Useful Post:
crystal100 (09-27-2009), zoomatl (02-14-2010)
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:47 AM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0 Beta 2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.2 ©2009, Crawlability, Inc.
@2005 - 2008 DobermanTalk.com
PetGuide.com
Basset.net DobermanTalk.com GoldenRetrieverForum.com OurBeagleWorld.com
BoxerForums.com DogForums.com GoPitbull.com PoodleForum.com
BulldogBreeds.com FishForums.com HavaneseForum.com SpoiledMaltese.com
CatForum.com GermanShepherds.com Labradoodle-dogs.net YorkieForum.com
Chihuahua-People.com RetrieverBreeds.com