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Old 02-17-2009, 03:45 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Thumbs up Family Doberman price range?

Hey everyone,

When I get a Doberman, I don't want to spend too much money. It's going to be a family dog, not a show dog. I don't need a world class breeder or AKC registration (unless you seriously recommend it). I just want a nice, healthy dog that can be good with the family and not necessarily the judges.

I have decided that it must be a young puppy with a black coat when I get it. This is so that I can ensure it becomes comfortable with my family from birth (basically).

So, my questions to you are: What kind of money do you think I'm looking at here? What kind of breeder should I go to? Do you have any tips?

All replies are appreciated!

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Their are several threads regarding your questions, do a search! Welcome to Dobermantalk btw!
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This is an expensive breed my friend... even if a free pup landed on your lap there are so many health issues with this breed that ya really gotta know what you're getting into. That said... if you really want to buy a pup and know for sure that rescue isnt for you... you're looking at $1200-$1500 for a pet quality pup (not a show ring dog). Anything less than that and your prolly looking at BYB (back yard breeders) that have zero genetic and health testing done on their dogs to try and minimize your chances of ginormous vet bills down the road.

You will want the following tested on both parents;

Hips and Elbows (OFA)
Thyroid
Heart's holtered (DCM is responsible for the majority of dobe deaths)
VWD (bleeding disorder common in dobes)

this is the miniminum...

best of luck on finding your pup!
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What ClipClop said.

There are some great stickies on this board, especially this one listed in both the breeders section and this main section, called "Doberman buying guide", with this link: Buying a Doberman Pinscher guideline

There is also an educational archive section to look through as well as the 'search' button on the top of the forum.

Lots of great info here!
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Thanks for the replies. I'll look around in there. :biggrin55:
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I agree... around $1500 for a pet-quality pup.

Totally worth it.
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I agree... around $1500 for a pet-quality pup.

Totally worth it.
That's a lot of money. We'll see where this takes me...
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A rescue doberman will be $0-500 and will definitely give you the same great companionship as any other doberman. You will be able to choose the dog with the perfect personality and energy level too
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I would like to suggest that you start doing research on breeders, first. When you find one that appeals to you, post the breeders name on DT and we can review it and then give you feedback. More than the price you want to make sure you are supporting breeders than don't abuse animals, and that the puppy you adopt will come from parents that have been well health tested and bred correctly, so that you aren't inheriting issues you don't bargain for. As you aren't wanting to rescue (which is for sure what I will do next time) make sure you are well prepared (educate yourself) for bringing a Doberman Puppy into your home and family. It takes a pretty large commitment and requires Obedience Training, on-going. I so admire that you are willing to put the time in BEFORE you purchase. So smart! Welcome to DT from Santa Cruz, CA. I think to spend between 1500.00 and 2000.00 is about average for a pet quality Doberman, from a reputable breeder. One thing I learned here that was surprising was that sometimes the worst breeders will charge very, very high prices.
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A rescue doberman will be $0-500 and will definitely give you the same great companionship as any other doberman. You will be able to choose the dog with the perfect personality and energy level too
I like the idea of rescue, but if I did that, it would need to be a real young pup. I'm not screwing around with a Doberman that had a bad past and has any chance of "snapping" on myself or anyone for that matter.

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I would like to suggest that you start doing research on breeders, first. When you find one that appeals to you, post the breeders name on DT and we can review it and then give you feedback. More than the price you want to make sure you are supporting breeders than don't abuse animals, and that the puppy you adopt will come from parents that have been well health tested and bred correctly, so that you aren't inheriting issues you don't bargain for. As you aren't wanting to rescue (which is for sure what I will do next time) make sure you are well prepared (educate yourself) for bringing a Doberman Puppy into your home and family. It takes a pretty large commitment and requires Obedience Training, on-going. I so admire that you are willing to put the time in BEFORE you purchase. So smart! Welcome to DT from Santa Cruz, CA. I think to spend between 1500.00 and 2000.00 is about average for a pet quality Doberman, from a reputable breeder. One thing I learned here that was surprising was that sometimes the worst breeders will charge very, very high prices.
Thanks for the information. I'm going to talk to my neighbor who has a Doberman and see what breeder he used and how much he spent. I can guarantee you that it's not over $1,000 and his dog is perfect in my eyes. No offense, but perhaps you guys aren't the best people to get price range advice from. I'll definitely look into rescue as well. However, like I said above, it would need to be a young pup.
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This is an expensive breed my friend... even if a free pup landed on your lap there are so many health issues with this breed that ya really gotta know what you're getting into. That said... if you really want to buy a pup and know for sure that rescue isnt for you... you're looking at $1200-$1500 for a pet quality pup (not a show ring dog). Anything less than that and your prolly looking at BYB (back yard breeders) that have zero genetic and health testing done on their dogs to try and minimize your chances of ginormous vet bills down the road.

You will want the following tested on both parents;

Hips and Elbows (OFA)
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Heart's holtered (DCM is responsible for the majority of dobe deaths)
VWD (bleeding disorder common in dobes)

this is the miniminum...

best of luck on finding your pup!
For the most part I agree with this post...but my last Dobe Hannah cost $800 dollars and had all of the health tests, plus the breeder insisted she get her back if in any point of her life we couldn't keep her. I had checked into her and found some previous owners that said she was a very good breeder so I went for it. Hannah turned out to be a great dog, Great with kids, great with other dogs and just a very good pet.
My previous Dobe cost twice as much,came with the same health tests and was dead from cancer at the age of 5.

If you can afford it go for it, I'm just saying that if you do your homework you might be able to find a nice American Dobe for under $1,000. The European lines may cost between $1,200 and $2,500.

A quick edit: I think you were the person admiring the European dobe in another thread? I don't want to stir things up with others in this forum i:e American VS European but I have to say that "Stella" our 1 year old European Dobe, with extensive working lines, is a handful and in my opinion this dog should probably not be in the hands of a first time Dobe owner. Her energy level is through the roof compared to all of my other Dobes!!!! It takes CONSTANT training and correction otherwise she quickly learns what she can get away with. Just my 2 cents.

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If your not wanting to spend alot of money you may want to consider rescue or some breeders rehome their retired dogs.
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I like the idea of rescue, but if I did that, it would need to be a real young pup. I'm not screwing around with a Doberman that had a bad past and has any chance of "snapping" on myself or anyone for that matter.


Thanks for the information. I'm going to talk to my neighbor who has a Doberman and see what breeder he used and how much he spent. I can guarantee you that it's not over $1,000 and his dog is perfect in my eyes. No offense, but perhaps you guys aren't the best people to get price range advice from. I'll definitely look into rescue as well. However, like I said above, it would need to be a young pup.
Rescues thuroughly screen and temperament test potentially adoptable dogs. In a breed like a doberman it's especially important that the dog passes a temperament test with flying colors before it is placed. Groups will not place dogs that are unsuitable for adoption. And just because a dog had a bad past does not mean he does not deserve a loving home! My red doberman (HS rescue) came from a horrible situation and there was not a single mean bone in his body. He was the sweetest dog I think I will ever own But you will definitely be able to find a young dog/puppy with a rescue group as well. There were 3 young pups recently In my area that were adopted out.
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soooo you will take the advice of a neighbor (1 person) versus a board with many members that have specific dobe experience? c'mon friend!

Look- your neighbor may have gotten VERY lucky. What makes you think that even using the same breeder you will be just as lucky?

How do you know that just because his dog doesnt have any problems that your dog wont drop dead of a heart attack? or you take your dobe in to get neutered and not knowing its VWD status it bleeds out on the table causing massive vet bills.

This breed isnt like any other breed... its like the breeds you hear about with massive health problems and even bigger vet bills. Dobes have bleeding problems, heart problems, hip problems and a crap load of stomach problems.

Dobe owners dont have to be rich (lord knows that would rule out me or lots of other people on the board) but you sure and darn well better be able to afford their medical care because its just a reality. I decided to hedge my bets by getting a pup from health tested parents.

And here is the scoop... lots of backyard breeders charge MORE than a reputable one... or they'll charge $800 for the pup but an extra $350 for the crop or worse they will leave you to your own devices for the crop which will still run you about $350 plus after care. So your still well above a grand for a dog that has no health testing. Whats the point when for an extra two hundred bucks you have can a puppy that has a fighting chance of being healthy and whose parents were deemed worthy to breed and pass on their genes by being confirmation champs.

I for one dont like being ripped off... a crappy breeder charges $800+ a pup and puts it all into their pockets. A good breeder takes that $1500 (minues cropping expense) and barely breaks even after paying for all that testing and titling.
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Again- to the poster that made the comment about cancer- there are lots of medical conditions that will randomly and without warning affect any dog regardless of their lineage... i'm ony referring to reducing the odds of those diseases that consistanty cripple or kill dobermans that we CAN screen for.
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No offense, but perhaps you guys aren't the best people to get price range advice from.
Oh dear. I thought that was why you posted this thread-- to get opinions about price range. Maybe I misunderstood your original post.

Welcome to the forum.

Many of members on this forum advocate rescue or purchasing a pup from a responsible breeder. You can learn more about what a responsible breeder is from the link Bleh60 already posted.

Best of luck in your search.
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Just a quick question.....why are we (this forum) not the best source for price ranges on puppies? Go look at the thread about "What did your dobe cost" and you will see quite the range of prices. I'm sorry if you don't like the answers you recieved but it don't change the facts..........
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Old 02-17-2009, 04:46 PM   #18 (permalink)
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As a rescuer I want to comment, not all rescues have issues, I just adopted out a female dobe who's 4 and has an amazing temperament, no bad history on her, she is rock solid and we have many wonderful dogs like her come through rescue so don't assume because it's a rescue it has a bad history, it not true and younger doesn't always mean better, I rescue a young dog for myself and she was totally messed up! Do your homework either on a rescue or breeder and this board is so knowledgeable it's beyond belief at times!

Please do your research not based on price, get the best you can period, money won't matter if you support a crappy breeder as you could end up with an ill bred dog which you don't want, regardless of purchase price.
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In this day and age, with 5 million animals euthanized in shelters yearly because far too many are produced, if you're going to put out the money to buy a puppy, how could you support with your money, anything less than ethical, responsible breeding practices?

It costs money to produce puppies ethically and responsibly. You can spend $1500 for a Doberman pup that has been thoughtfully bred for health and longevity, correct in structure and temperment, complete with a beautiful, flattering ear crop, from titled health-tested parents worthy of contributing to the breed and future generations of Dobermans to follow, and receive lifetime breeder support....

Or you can spend $950 with a BYB, spend another $350 for an ear crop that may never look right (because either the vet you chose lacked the talent/experience and/or you didn't receive proper support through the posting weeks), so $950+$350 = $1300 for a puppy with un-titled, non-health-tested parents, zero breeder support, possibly no papers/pedigree or background information regarding its bloodlines...


Quality, thoughtfully bred puppy: $1500
BYB puppy: $1300



Who would you want to support with your money?
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Rescues thuroughly screen and temperament test potentially adoptable dogs. In a breed like a doberman it's especially important that the dog passes a temperament test with flying colors before it is placed. Groups will not place dogs that are unsuitable for adoption. And just because a dog had a bad past does not mean he does not deserve a loving home! My red doberman (HS rescue) came from a horrible situation and there was not a single mean bone in his body. He was the sweetest dog I think I will ever own But you will definitely be able to find a young dog/puppy with a rescue group as well. There were 3 young pups recently In my area that were adopted out.
I really appreciate the information. I'm going to keep rescue in mind for sure. In fact, after what you and a couple other people said, that's probably what I'll do. I've always wanted to rescue a pup and if I can save some money while doing it, why not? Thanks again.

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soooo you will take the advice of a neighbor (1 person) versus a board with many members that have specific dobe experience?
Yeah, that's basically what I mean. I know my neighbor in person (rather than over the internet) and he's an extremely educated person. I trust his judgment. He has the money to spend $5,000 on a Dobe, but he didn't and he got an outstanding result. That's quite the statement to me. I appreciate your advice and I do trust your experience. I'm just trying to get a feel for everything. :biggrin55:

To anyone who took offense from my statement about weather or not you all are the best people to be getting prices from: 1.) I said "no offense" for a reason and 2.) I realize that you all are extremely educated and know what you're talking about, but I sometimes wonder if you get used to high prices because of how much time you spend with expensive dogs. You know, it's far from impossible to get an outstanding Doberman for under $1,000. I've only heard that from one or two people on here. Thanks for understanding.
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Again- to the poster that made the comment about cancer- there are lots of medical conditions that will randomly and without warning affect any dog regardless of their lineage... i'm ony referring to reducing the odds of those diseases that consistanty cripple or kill dobermans that we CAN screen for.
If your referring to my post about losing a Dobe at 5 to cancer, health test weren't my point, I didn't explain myself very well. I simply meant to say that spending $1,600 dollars for a dog won't guarantee that other health problems wont show up. I agree with getting a Dobe with all of the recommended health tests.
Edit: I recognize your screen name now...too bad we can't screen them for there ability to break noses.=) as I sit here with an ice pack on my nose.

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Quality, thoughtfully bred puppy: $1500
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Yeah, I won't even be spending $1300 on a Dobe, so I guess we can rule that out altogether.

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As a rescuer I want to comment, not all rescues have issues, I just adopted out a female dobe who's 4 and has an amazing temperament, no bad history on her, she is rock solid and we have many wonderful dogs like her come through rescue so don't assume because it's a rescue it has a bad history, it not true and younger doesn't always mean better, I rescue a young dog for myself and she was totally messed up! Do your homework either on a rescue or breeder and this board is so knowledgeable it's beyond belief at times!

Please do your research not based on price, get the best you can period, money won't matter if you support a crappy breeder as you could end up with an ill bred dog which you don't want, regardless of purchase price.
Very possibly the best response I've been given so far. I really appreciate your insight. Like I said before, I'm pretty sure I'll rescue. After all of the positive comments I've gotten on this route, I don't see how I could turn it down. If I do rescue, I'll work very closely with the shelter and make sure that I get the right dog. I don't care if it takes a year to get a Dobe, I'd rather wait and get the right one than make a quick decision and be sorry.

Also, just a bit of information: I will not be cropping the ears (unless it comes that way, lol). Don't tell me that I should get them cropped - I'm not. My neighbor didn't get his dog's ears cropped and I really like the "friendlier" look that it gives her. It fits her personality really well.
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YAY to rescue. If there is no way you can stomach to pay $1000 for a puppy- rescue is the way to go. You also will have more luck finding a natural pup that way.

Just wanted to add that just because people have money does not make them educated on a specific subject. I'm smart about a lot of things- but ask me my about what medical conditions affect Pugs or any automotive question and I'm dumb as a box of rocks and I freely admit it.

The truth is a lot of people out there have the best intention and will never know that they ended up supporting an unethical breeder. They think all bad breeders have nasty trailers filled with cages of animals and that couldnt be further from the truth. Bad breeders can come from places with beautiful sparkly websites, gorgeous commercial facilities and nice old ladies.

Cant wait to see the pup you rescue and welcome to DT
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Also, just a bit of information: I will not be cropping the ears (unless it comes that way, lol). Don't tell me that I should get them cropped - I'm not. My neighbor didn't get his dog's ears cropped and I really like the "friendlier" look that it gives her. It fits her personality really well.
Then rescuing will be great for you!

MANY (dare I say the majority?) rescues have the natural-ears. Also, most breeders do not let the puppies go un-cropped, anyway.

So it sounds like this works out well for everyone!

Keep us posted!
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No offense, but perhaps you guys aren't the best people to get price range advice from.

Hmmmm.

I hear a familiar pattern.
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